Auto-SummaryThis forum post presents a critical stance against the Ukrainian government and its supporters, accusing them of widespread war crimes and hypocrisy. The author argues that Russia's actions in Ukraine are justified, citing evidence of civilian casualties and a history of Ukrainian atrocities. They emphasize the potential for a nuclear war and the selfishness of supporting the US-led conflict, suggesting that many are blinded by anti-Russian propaganda. The post concludes by warning of the dangers of escalating tensions and advocating for peace, urging readers to question the true motives behind the ongoing conflict.
unam sanctum said:
Ok, I'll bite. Not sure why I bother, but nonetheless.
1. The link you posted is bullshit. And it's crucial to your first claim.
2. Russia is clearly bombing civilian populations/structures across Ukraine. There's no doubt civilians have been summarily executed and raped. Press time gestures or displays of "aid" do not make up for that. There is a plethora of video evidence and should you request it I will source it- with condemnation for your deliberate blindness to fact.
3. What I have brought up is directly comparable to today's Ukraine. This is history repeating itself.
4. People said the same thing of pro war Americans in early WWII, prior to the US entry. I am very reasonable. I advocated against the Iraq and Afghanistan wars (notice how I'm allowed to call them wars). That was when I was in 5th grade. I understood it made no sense to enter prolonged occupations of countries that were long-term invincible to such attacks. Unlike many world leaders I have a certain amount of common sense. Yet I do enjoy living in a place where I can openly disagree without fear of retribution. Here's another chance for you to disagree.
I will advocate for western military intervention until I'm out of breath. I mean, be honest with us- was our intervention in WWII needed or not? If it was why is intervention now not also needed?
1. It's not bullshit, you're just too closed-minded to admit that your favorite neo-nazi regime in Ukraine has been executing anyone and everyone accused of dissent for years, Gonzalo Lira being their latest victim. How sad that you would stick up for this pathetic and filthy regime.
2. Russia is only bombing civilian buildings if it has been confirmed they are being used for military storage or as firing points against Russian forces. They are not going out of their way to hit civilian infrastructure like the US did in Iraq and Afghanistan.
3. You only continue to reinforce your own delusions. The Russian operation is not at all comparable to previous events where millions and millions of people died. Not only is there no famine, but as I said Russia is in-fact supplying humanitarian aid in areas under their control just to *ensure* people in these areas can continue to live a relatively normal life. I don't know why you want to make-believe that Russia is going to slaughter millions of civilians for no reason, but it's not happening.
4. So you advocated against Iraq/Afghanistan but now you want an unnecessary global nuclear holocaust just to stick up for a Neo-Nazi regime in Ukraine guilty of countless warcrimes and crimes against humanity. Yes, how reasonable of you.
Sadly you only prove how delusional you are with every post you make. I can only assume you are blinded - like many others - by an illogical feeling of hatred towards Russia, a feeling most likely influenced by the massive anti-Russian propaganda campaign that is going on right now.
This isn't WW2 and Russia isn't Nazi Germany. Their invasion of Ukraine is unfortunate, but it would have been avoided if the Obama regime hadn't done a coup in 2014 Ukraine on the Maidan square that set the stage for this to happen. The regime installed by Obama and Victoria Nuland has been incredibly brutal towards its own people, the SBU since taken under the control of Neo-Nazi ideology has killed and tortured thousands of people merely because of their personal viewpoints. You can't express your opinion in Ukraine without potentially being raided at 2 am and summarily executed. Furthermore, they massacred thousands of their own citizens in Donbass throughout 2014-2015 via direct military force.
And not only that, but Ukraine had 8 years to abide by the Minsk agreements. Eight years Russia gave them the chance for peace. Ukraine rejected it and was preparing an all-out offensive on Donbass, the "final solution" to wipe them all out for good. Ukraine rejected peace and gave Russia no choice but to respond.
This war was avoidable, true. Unfortunately both Ukraine and their backers - the US/NATO - did everything in their power to ensure that there would be no peace in Ukraine under any circumstances. They set this up to happen. The US in particular *wanted* Russia to invade to justify the sanctions response and drag Russia into "another Afghanistan" as they put it. Washington DC is more than willing to sacrifice the lives of every single Ukrainian just to harm Russia.
The fact that you are going along with their plot, have fallen for their lies and are now advocating for ww3 is just sad. Not only that, but it's extraordinarily selfish. You would sacrifice the lives of tens of millions of Americans, just to defend the neo-nazi US regime change project in Ukraine. Beyond a shadow of a doubt, that is pure insanity.
If you want to fight Russia so bad, then feel free to go to Ukraine by yourself. But don't expect the American people to volunteer their children as sacrifices in a nuclear war that nobody wants except for hardcore neo-cons and neo-liberals.
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