shivas.wisdom said:

Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

One is a verbal sign of respect, the other means you'd be willing to use military power to enforce the results.

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Considering the fact Russia is currently using military power to enforce the results, it seems that Russia was willing to use military power. I guess you could say that technically they officially recognized the results immediately before invading, but it's not like Russia wasn't willing to use military power in the region up until the moment of formal declaration.

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

shivas.wisdom said:

Nonetheless, it does seem you acknowledge that both the DPR and LPR held elections that directly contravened the Minsk accords, so is it really fair to put all the blame on the Ukrainian state?

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It was soon recognized that Donbas should hold local elections, which Minsk II allowed.

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koods said:

The ruble is maintaining its value because Russia’s central bank has a 20% interest rate.

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I don't think you fully grasp what is happening here.

This is a monumental failure of U.S. foreign policy, a defining moment when all the pigeons are coming home to roost.

I suggest you look at the video Falcon posted.

*Side note Imran Kahn was just ousted from power hours ago but I love his comment on why Pakistan was abstaining from condemning Russia

I wish we had a Prime Minister that said things like that to Washington, oh that's right we did, the CIA helped get rid of him.

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I wish we had a Prime Minister that said things like that to Washington, oh that's right we did, the CIA helped get rid of him.

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Stable Genius said:

I don't know the location but the translation on the first one reads

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Azov takes kindergarten hostage
Civil Shield. Confirmed by locals.

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shivas.wisdom said:

Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

shivas.wisdom said:

Nonetheless, it does seem you acknowledge that both the DPR and LPR held elections that directly contravened the Minsk accords, so is it really fair to put all the blame on the Ukrainian state?

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It was soon recognized that Donbas should hold local elections, which Minsk II allowed.

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Local elections were an integral aspect of Minsk I as well - but in both cases, they were supposed to happen according to Ukrainian law.

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Ok, when you said "The elections in the Donbas happened in direct contravention of the Minsk protocol", I misinterpreted your statement to mean no elections were allowed, and then I saw that Minsk II did include a provision for local elections.

shivas.wisdom said:

I'm surprised someone who speaks so confidently about the "total disregard of the Minsk agreements" would be unaware of this.

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Let's look at the disregard of the Minsk agreements below...

shivas.wisdom said:

Neither side was ever very respectful of the ceasefire or pull-out of heavy weapons The idea that only the Ukrainian state displayed total disregard of the Minsk agreements isn't true.

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I don't recall saying that only the Ukrainian state displayed total disregard of the Minsk agreements.

But to complain about Donbas holding elections, possibly in violation of the agreements, while Donbas is complaining that they are getting shelled in violation of the agreements isn't really equivalent in my opinion (yes, I do realize Donbas fought back).


Have a look at some of these stories showing it was Ukraine that didn't want to stop the shelling:
Far-right marches in Kiev as report documents crimes by Ukraine’s paramilitary forces

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Right Sector is demanding that Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko end the ceasefire with pro-Russian separatists in the country’s southeast. The group is calling for an aggressive renewal of the war, which has continued at a low level for months despite the signing of peace accords in Minsk in February. It also wants an end to all inter-governmental relations with Russia.

Right Sector is notorious for its neo-fascist ideology and the savage role that it played in the US-backed uprising last year that drove Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych from power.

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Here's a similar article:

Ukraine’s Right Sector rejects Minsk deal, calls for renewed offensive in E. Ukraine


Is anyone still in denial of Ukrainian Nazis?

Stable Genius said:

It was Mariupol

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There are now SOOO many videos now of people in Mariupol complaining about the Ukrainian Nazis.  I don't know how the West will be able to keep their fake news going.

Good video.  I wonder how long until YouTube bans it? 

Stable Genius said:

That second video is disturbing, like something out of The Twilight Zone, Jesus

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Meh, there's not a Nazi problem in Ukraine. 

Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

I'm a huge fan of Clare Daly from Ireland, who was elected as a member of the European Parliament (MEP).  I've seen a lot of great speeches from her. 

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Thanks to koods I'm snoopin around Twitter finding all kinds of stuff, thanks buddy I wonder why he can't find these stories?

Anyway, more on that Tochka-U missile

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