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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: shivas.wisdom]
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shivas.wisdom said:
I know that if the USA invaded Canada, idgaf what the Prime Minister says - I'm gonna be resisting.



That's a what if scenario that would likely never happen. Not to go all USA pride but if America wanted Canada they could have had it, many times over.

I think the point here is that Ukraine actually is worth fighting for as a strategic and economically important nation to posses control over.


But now both sides( main finger pointed at Russia) have messed the nation up so bad that I think for Ukraine to even recover may take generations.

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Stable Genius]
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Stable Genius said:
Yeah and billions in weapons to keep this stupid conflict in motion.

Russia's going to win this, Zelensky can stop this right now and what will he loose? Nato admission and a part of Ukraine that identifies itself as Russian. Big fucking deal !

But noooooo we can't have the west loosing face and Russia strengthening their own security.



Well you’ve been lost to the dark side.

You don’t surrender to fascist and that is what Russia is

Handing over territory to Russia as a reward for war crimes is really what you’re saying. Trading the freedom of those people living in the east for the freedom of those in the rest of Ukraine. What a sniveling little appeaser you are.


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

Edited by koods (03/24/22 06:31 PM)

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: koods] * 1
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This isn't star wars.

Talks cheap....boots on ground or hot tips and weapons from afar?


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: shivas.wisdom]
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shivas.wisdom said:
I know that if the USA invaded Canada, idgaf what the Prime Minister says - I'm gonna be resisting.



But what if the US doesn't want to take over Canada, what if it wants a contested area that is mostly occupied by Americans?  :shrug:


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I am in a minority on the shroomery, as I frequently defend the opposing side when they have a point about something or when my side make believes something about them.  I also attack my side if I think they're wrong.  People here get very confused by that and think it means I prefer the other side.

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: pineninja]
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Arm them to the teeth. The Ukrainians are clearly capable of using what we give them.


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: koods] * 1
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koods said:
Stable Genius said:
Yeah and billions in weapons to keep this stupid conflict in motion.

Russia's going to win this, Zelensky can stop this right now and what will he loose? Nato admission and a part of Ukraine that identifies itself as Russian. Big fucking deal !

But noooooo we can't have the west loosing face and Russia strengthening their own security.



Well you’ve been lost to the dark side.

You don’t surrender to fascist and that is what Russia is

Handing over territory to Russia as a reward for war crimes is really what you’re saying. Trading the freedom of those people living in the east for the freedom of those in the rest of Ukraine. What a sniveling little appeaser you are.



The people living in the East don't want to be a part of Ukraine, get that through your fat head.

What a snivelling Washington toe the line war monger you are, there's very little difference between you and Lindsay Graham.

To get to peace we need more bombs FAAAAAARK OOOORF

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: koods] * 1
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koods said:
Arm them to the teeth. The Ukrainians are clearly capable of using what we give them.



Ya, let's fight those Russians down to the last Ukrainian!  :shake:


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: koods] * 2
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Yeah let's see some more pics of dead Russians from Twitter, you're absolutely disgusting and devoid of any decency Boooooooooooo :thumbdown:

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Stable Genius] * 1
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The people living in the East don't want to be a part of Ukraine, get that through your fat head



 
  How many refugees have gone to Russia ?


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Stable Genius]
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Stable Genius said:
koods said:
Stable Genius said:
Yeah and billions in weapons to keep this stupid conflict in motion.

Russia's going to win this, Zelensky can stop this right now and what will he loose? Nato admission and a part of Ukraine that identifies itself as Russian. Big fucking deal !

But noooooo we can't have the west loosing face and Russia strengthening their own security.



Well you’ve been lost to the dark side.

You don’t surrender to fascist and that is what Russia is

Handing over territory to Russia as a reward for war crimes is really what you’re saying. Trading the freedom of those people living in the east for the freedom of those in the rest of Ukraine. What a sniveling little appeaser you are.



The people living in the East don't want to be a part of Ukraine, get that through your fat head.





Using that rationale as a policy would lead to the dissolution of every country on earth.
Even Iceland has fucking factions.


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"The Rolling Stones will break up over Brian Jones' dead body"    John Lennon

I don't want no commies in my car. No Christians either.

Simulacrum
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Stable Genius]
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Stable Genius said:
Kickle said:
Stable Genius said:
Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:





That's another good video Falcon. I guess typically nobody will watch it and instead tune into the CNN war show for a completely one sided thorough analysis.

No sense letting the truth get in the road of a good story.




Not that great IMO.

16:30-17:10 -- SHOCKED by it and don't understand.

It's only shocking because of a misguided notion of how Russia's influence first rose to this level in Eastern Ukraine. The assumption in this video is that the Ukrainian people were naturally drifting towards Russia. That the government and military forces spontaneously emerged from this natural desire.



I do believe he said something like when he arrived there 8 years ago people were Russian flag waving, people speak Russian even Ukranians, that anyone born there before 1958 ARE Russian, and the people there feel they are Russian.




And?

Stable Genius said:
He also said the Ukraine armed forces are bombing civilian areas, and that those attacks have increased even though there are not Russian military in those areas.




Again, and? 

Here's some info for you. I recommend you read it. But in case you're not inclined, I'll quote a few things, starting in 2014:



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In Donetsk, Aleskandr Boroday, a Russian citizen and editor of the conservative newspaper Zavtra, replaced Gubarev [a local Ukrainian] as people’s governor. In Slovyansk, Boroday’s close associate, Strelkov, sacked Ponamorev and proclaimed himself as the people’s mayor of Slovyansk. Strelkov, a veteran of conflicts in Transnistria, Serbia, and the Chechen wars and allegedly an operative for Russia’s military intelligence (GRU), would become an important figure in this conflict. This change in leadership marks the true beginning of the separatist movement and the transition from political warfare to insurgency.

Rather than wait to hold a referendum on the status of the regions, commanders, such as Strelkov and his comrade Igor Bezler (whose nom de guerre is Bes [Demon]), stormed the buildings of the local administration and proclaimed the territories under their control as republics. Strelkov publicly takes credit for launching the conflict. It is unknown if he operated under Russian command or independently, but his actions prevented a restoration of order by Ukrainian authorities as occurred in Odessa and Kharkiv, where crackdowns ended protests and the local elites chose to side with the national government. When Strelkov declared the Donetsk Republic, he shifted the cause from federalization to outright secession from Ukraine, which was always his personal intention.




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The proclamation by Strelkov of the DNR on April 7 marked a more concerted attempt to unify effort and command among the separatists behind a political structure. Pro-Russian separatists would declare a Luhansk People’s Republic a few weeks later. Eventually Strelkov took overall command and control of a large conglomeration of fighters called the South-East Army, becoming the leading political figure of the separatist movement. Although he was able to attract members of some pro-Russian organizations, including the East Front and Donbas People’s Movement, Strelkov was unable to monopolize the use of force in the area. Local elites, who formed their own battalions, preferred to maintain their autonomy. Such units as Vostok Battalion in Donetsk, headed by a former commander of Ukrainian Alfa special forces in the region, and Zarya in Luhansk, primarily comprising local residents, acted independently of Strelkov’s South-East Army.

From April 15 to 23, Ukrainian army and Interior Ministry forces mounted efforts to respond to the separatists. Most of the deployed units in the east were halted outside the captured cities by a handful of crude checkpoints and several pro-Russian civilian mobs. Ukrainian security forces were ineffective for two reasons. First, at the time, the Ukrainian army existed largely on paper, with perhaps only 6,000 combat-capable troops available. Second, Ukrainian army commanders spoke Russian and were disinclined to fight against fellow Russian speakers or order troops into civilian areas.

From late April to late May, the Ukrainian army mounted a more deliberate campaign to contain the pro-Russian rebellion by securing key terrain around Donbas cities held by the separatists. The objective of this strategy was to position the military for a decisive offensive against the rebel enclave once Ukraine’s national mobilization, including the May 1 reintroduction of mass conscription for men, had been completed. After taking outlying cities, Ukraine’s army planned to isolate and besiege Donetsk and Luhansk. Meanwhile, Russia apparently supplied the rebels with shoulder-fired and self-propelled Strela-10M short-range systems. Russian forces massing on Ukraine’s borders grew beyond 40,000, diverting Ukraine’s deployments to its borders, defending cities such as Kharkiv, rather than to the conflict zone, because of the threat of large-scale invasion.





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Why shouldn't the truth be stranger than fiction?
Fiction, after all, has to make sense. -- Mark Twain

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Psilynut2]
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Yeah let's see some more pics of dead Russians from Twitter, absolutely disgusting and devoid of decency Boooooooooooo :thumbdown:





They would all be alive if they had stayed in Russia .


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Brian Jones] * 1
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I don't see any other way to stop this anytime soon Brian and honestly don't think the death is worth the fight.

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Kickle]
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Kickle said:


And?

Stable Genius said:
He also said the Ukraine armed forces are bombing civilian areas, and that those attacks have increased even though there are not Russian military in those areas.




Again, and? 




And nothing, if you don't get it you don't get it. I'm not here to convince you or anyone else of anything. I'm sharing an opinion take it or leave it.

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Psilynut2] * 1
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Psilynut2 said:
Quote:
Yeah let's see some more pics of dead Russians from Twitter, absolutely disgusting and devoid of decency Boooooooooooo :thumbdown:





They would all be alive if they had stayed in Russia .



That's correct but what I said stands. Posting those tweets whilst cheering like a gargoyle on crack is mindless hysterical offensive war mongering.

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Stable Genius]
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Well I don't get it as a response to anything I've posted. I didn't say anything opposing those statements. So I'm genuinely confused what you were driving at.

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Kickle]
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Well you kept saying And? And? how am I supposed to interpret that.

What's your point?

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Stable Genius]
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Stable Genius said:
I don't see any other way to stop this anytime soon Brian and honestly don't think the death is worth the fight.



So whatever Russia wants, Russia gets. Do you think Putin has other ambitions? I read that a large percentage of the Russian people want Poland to be next.


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"The Rolling Stones will break up over Brian Jones' dead body"    John Lennon

I don't want no commies in my car. No Christians either.

Simulacrum
The truth which conceals that there is none

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Stable Genius]
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Stable Genius said:
Well you kept saying And? And? how am I supposed to interpret that.

What's your point?



How am I supposed to take you posting something unrelated to what I said? I was wondering if there was more to your thought. But I guess not. You just wanted to parrot a part of the video for some reason :lol:


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Why shouldn't the truth be stranger than fiction?
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Brian Jones] * 1
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No I seriously don't think Poland is next. As for Putin's ambitions I think he got them mixed up with his capabilities. What a mess.

I didn't quite get The Ecstatic's point when this started, I'm more inclined to agree with it now.

Hey man I'm no expert, I'm just sick to death of these never ending proxy wars :shrug:

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