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I’ve been at this for 17 months now. It doesn’t get easier. My pandemic stories rarely end well. When patients are vaccinated, their COVID-19 infections most likely end after Stage 1. If only that were the case for everyone

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Jokeshopbeard said:

It's funny to me; I have not seen ONE person who doesn't want the vaccine (for whatever reason) insinuate that people who do want it are bad, or that they shouldn't get it, but the pro-vax people just seem to constantly talk down to anyone who isn't on their side, frequently insinuating that one is some kind of scumbag POS for not getting it.

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You're either being disingenuous or massively selective in what you choose to read/remember then, there have been countless posts from unvaccinated people on here calling people names (sheep, bootlicker, brainwashed etc) for getting vaccinated, claiming the vaccinated are the problem and are either shedding the virus or causing ADE, telling others not to get the vaccine, insinuating that people making the common sense recommendation to get vaccinated are evil (or in Enkidu's case calling them retarded). How about the posts of people saying things like "I'll laugh when all the sheep who got vaccinated start dropping dead down the line or have to deal with the long term side effects?" Those are just more satire to you right?

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Also, FYI, one of my best friends called yesterday to say he's caught COVID. He's vaxxed, was asymptomatic, and only found out after getting tested as is required to board a flight to England (he now cannot do so).

So for all you lot telling unvaxxed people that they're the root cause of the problem, I say that's utter shite; he would have been walking around spreading it too, were it not for the fact process dictated he must test before flying.

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Jokeshopbeard said:

Once again, your response - like those of the other, pushier, pro-vaxxy people - just makes me feel less and less like I want to come anywhere over towards that side of things.

There's a certain underlying tone in your post; especially when TS has been not at all the typical anti-vax kinda guy (he's been pretty balanced in his reasoning and discussion IMO), that just seems really quite unnecessary. You say he mocks, I say you mock. Two wrongs 'n all.

It's funny to me; I have not seen ONE person who doesn't want the vaccine (for whatever reason) insinuate that people who do want it are bad, or that they shouldn't get it, but the pro-vax people just seem to constantly talk down to anyone who isn't on their side, frequently insinuating that one is some kind of scumbag POS for not getting it. It makes me laugh when I mention how I'm apparently the worst person ever now in the eyes of such types to friends.

That alone is enough for me to not want in on that camp, let alone my myriad of other reasons.



Also, FYI, one of my best friends called yesterday to say he's caught COVID. He's vaxxed, was asymptomatic, and only found out after getting tested as is required to board a flight to England (he now cannot do so).

So for all you lot telling unvaxxed people that they're the root cause of the problem, I say that's utter shite; he would have been walking around spreading it too, were it not for the fact process dictated he must test before flying. He's now doing the two week quarantine thing and has to miss a few major events, but he likely would have infected many, had he not had to fly in a couple of days.

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feevers said:

(or in Enkidu's case calling them retarded). How about the posts of people saying things like "I'll laugh when all the sheep who got vaccinated start dropping dead down the line or have to deal with the long term side effects?" Those are just more satire to you right?

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feevers said:

Unvaccinated aren't a "root cause", the virus itself is.

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koods said:

At this point, if you aren’t vaccinated all this shit is your fault

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Mr.GuessWork said:

You were just blowing off the idea of a guy going to the hospital when he said he felt like he was drowning and said multiple members of his family had died, and now you're whining about your feelings again because your harmful views aren't being praised by anyone other than people who thoughtlessly parrot wackos that spread disinformation and lies. That's the camp you're in right now.

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Jokeshopbeard said:

I couldn't give a flying fuck who agrees with me. I've spent most of my life in my own camp.

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Fuck yeah!
You’ll be 100% American before you know it!

CreonAntigone said:

So the data is in, the vaccine works very very well.. I got vaccined with the JJ months ago. So why the heck do I still need to wear a mask?

Masks give me a migraine, always have, always will: I have developed a slight tolerance to the effect but not really; I still cannot travel nearly any amount of time on them. In a store, I can wear my mask for a period but eventually it needs to come off. If I try to push it and spend longer in the store with my mask on, I get a headache without fail, worse the longer I spent there. Going to the local food store used to be a wonderful, almost spiritual experience for me; now it is profoundly violating and uncomfortable, and I have to limit myself to get out of there and breath unrestricted air.

I am not alone in having such reactions. When the mask mandate came out there were reports of many people experiencing severe panic attacks upon wearing the masks. This is to be expected: a tight, enclosed environment with nowhere to breath can leave you in a panicked state, even without a history of panic attack but especially so. It is a predictable response to restricted breathing; it may not be acutely harmful to one's life, so that one would die from a mask, but panic attacks are acutely harmful, and since masks cause those, they can be quite harmful to some individuals. I've seen people's reactions to wearing masks be belittled, attacked, questioned... 'just wear one, don't be a baby'. Those people do not have a sensitive immune system, so they do not understand what it means to have a reaction to a device which - predictably, every time - cuts your breathing off.

I've tried the 'it's all in your head' approach: just forget about it, it isn't real, yadda yadda. What I find: I measured by reactions on a pulseoxometer at the time of experiencing these mask-related migarine symptoms. Total oxyegon saturation did not increase, but heart-rate sure did: predictably. There was a physical reaction of some kind: perhaps primarily panic-related. But not in the way that other anxiety can be sort of 'reasoned with'. It isn't a 'fear of a mask', it's a physiological reaction. Even if I tried to not think about it, even if I wasn't thinking about it, a reaction occurred. This is well-documented elsewhere: severe panic and unpleasant symptoms for anyone who has suffered from restricted air for a long time - like 'cabin fever'. There is surely something physical going on along with it.

My migraines are getting much better, but I have no intention to ever wear my mask again for any length of time - that would be like guaranteeing a reaction and making myself sicker. If it means I can't enter certain stores or any stores, so be it: I'll wait for when the world decides it is safe.

Masks help prevent an infected person from spreading the infection... but I'm inoculated, damn it. So if they really trust the vaccines, maybe really trust it enough to take the kid gloves off, have real spaces where people like me can breath freely? For individuals who are inoculated and virus-free, a small spread of germs between people should help with herd immunity and a long-term ecosystem. I'd love it if I could go the store while breathing again.

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It isn't a 'fear of a mask', it's a physiological reaction

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Baby_Hitler said:

I've noticed mine drops lower the longer I keep it on. I don't think that's because of my oxygen levels dropping because of a thing on my finger.

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CreonAntigone said:

So the data is in, the vaccine works very very well.. I got vaccined with the JJ months ago. So why the heck do I still need to wear a mask?

Masks give me a migraine, always have, always will: I have developed a slight tolerance to the effect but not really; I still cannot travel nearly any amount of time on them. In a store, I can wear my mask for a period but eventually it needs to come off. If I try to push it and spend longer in the store with my mask on, I get a headache without fail, worse the longer I spent there. Going to the local food store used to be a wonderful, almost spiritual experience for me; now it is profoundly violating and uncomfortable, and I have to limit myself to get out of there and breath unrestricted air.

I am not alone in having such reactions. When the mask mandate came out there were reports of many people experiencing severe panic attacks upon wearing the masks. This is to be expected: a tight, enclosed environment with nowhere to breath can leave you in a panicked state, even without a history of panic attack but especially so. It is a predictable response to restricted breathing; it may not be acutely harmful to one's life, so that one would die from a mask, but panic attacks are acutely harmful, and since masks cause those, they can be quite harmful to some individuals. I've seen people's reactions to wearing masks be belittled, attacked, questioned... 'just wear one, don't be a baby'. Those people do not have a sensitive immune system, so they do not understand what it means to have a reaction to a device which - predictably, every time - cuts your breathing off.

I've tried the 'it's all in your head' approach: just forget about it, it isn't real, yadda yadda. What I find: I measured by reactions on a pulseoxometer at the time of experiencing these mask-related migarine symptoms. Total oxyegon saturation did not increase, but heart-rate sure did: predictably. There was a physical reaction of some kind: perhaps primarily panic-related. But not in the way that other anxiety can be sort of 'reasoned with'. It isn't a 'fear of a mask', it's a physiological reaction. Even if I tried to not think about it, even if I wasn't thinking about it, a reaction occurred. This is well-documented elsewhere: severe panic and unpleasant symptoms for anyone who has suffered from restricted air for a long time - like 'cabin fever'. There is surely something physical going on along with it.

My migraines are getting much better, but I have no intention to ever wear my mask again for any length of time - that would be like guaranteeing a reaction and making myself sicker. If it means I can't enter certain stores or any stores, so be it: I'll wait for when the world decides it is safe.

Masks help prevent an infected person from spreading the infection... but I'm inoculated, damn it. So if they really trust the vaccines, maybe really trust it enough to take the kid gloves off, have real spaces where people like me can breath freely? For individuals who are inoculated and virus-free, a small spread of germs between people should help with herd immunity and a long-term ecosystem. I'd love it if I could go the store while breathing again.

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koods said:

Vaccinated people don’t infect other vaccinated people.

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morrowasted said:

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I’ve been at this for 17 months now. It doesn’t get easier. My pandemic stories rarely end well. When patients are vaccinated, their COVID-19 infections most likely end after Stage 1. If only that were the case for everyone

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yup

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JohnnyTripsAlot said:

koods said:

Vaccinated people don’t infect other vaccinated people.

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Has this been proven?

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koods said:

JohnnyTripsAlot said:

koods said:

Vaccinated people don’t infect other vaccinated people.

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Has this been proven?

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It’s pretty clear that community spread with an r0 over 1 is being maintained by unvaccinated people. If you’re vaccinated or previously infected, you need a much larger exposure to get infected. Vaccinated people also shed much less virus because they generally do not get virus replicating in their lungs, only in the upper respiratory tract, so there’s a a lot less coughing and therefore a lot less virus gets spread around.

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JohnnyTripsAlot said:

koods said:

Vaccinated people don’t infect other vaccinated people.

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Has this been proven?

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