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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: koods]
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Well maybe if sleepyjoe got off his ass instead of letting this happen we wouldn't be in this mess. Why would biden do this?

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: koods] * 1
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koods said:
Can’t make the most minor of sacrifices for the good of people around you. It’s pathetic.



For who, the unvaxed? Theyre choosing to be unvaxed. All you vax mandate lovers are "protected" you have your boosters. Whos at danger that you are so concerned for?


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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
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Guys ill let you in on a little secret, in 2018 I prayed for an apocalyptic senerio so I didnt have to conform, so Covid is kinda my fault, and now you two are at each others throats over it


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For most of the normies out there, an operating system is just a bootloader for Google Chrome.

And I don't know what the mantis is praying for
But he's probably just thanking the Lord
That he don't live in a home
And he don't got a phone
And he don't sit around all angry and bored
(He's just a bug)

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: gopher]
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Good work! :kenthumbup:

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: trees]
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trees said:
koods said:
Can’t make the most minor of sacrifices for the good of people around you. It’s pathetic.


For who, the unvaxed? Theyre choosing to be unvaxed. All you vax mandate lovers are "protected" you have your boosters. Whos at danger that you are so concerned for?


Well said man. I agree entirely.


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Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not.
--Jac O'keeffe

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: gopher] * 1
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you guys are still a threat to everyone in both the long-term and short-term and you're basically a petri dish for breading new strains of the virus.


gopher said:
Guys ill let you in on a little secret, in 2018 I prayed for an apocalyptic senerio so I didnt have to conform, so Covid is kinda my fault, and now you two are at each others throats over it


Don't worry about it man. Personally, I blame Asante's spirit guide. That thing is always causing trouble. But we're past identifying the cause now. Gotta deal with the problem at hand now.

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Mr.GuessWork] * 1
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Vaxed people are still carrying and spreading the virus so YOU are a threat and a petri dish. You silly man, you forgot that the omicron came from a VAXED person

Quote:
Two Israeli doctors have contracted the Omicron variant of COVID-19 — even after being fully vaccinated and receiving their booster shots.



https://www.lucianne.com/2021/12/01/two_fully_vaccinated_israeli_doctors_test_positive_for_omicron_variant_74141.html

Fucking owned


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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Mr.GuessWork] * 1
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Mr.GuessWork said:
you guys are still a threat to everyone in both the long-term and short-term and you're basically a petri dish for breading new strains of the virus.


But anyone with a vax can still get the virus, so how are they not also a 'petri dish'?

Seems to me - based on what little I know of the science - that vaxxed people would be far more so a 'petri dish' as the virus would have more inclination to mutate against forced immunity.

Isn't that how this stuff works, or am I being a moronic dickhead?


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Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not.
--Jac O'keeffe

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
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Jokeshopbeard said:
Mr.GuessWork said:
you guys are still a threat to everyone in both the long-term and short-term and you're basically a petri dish for breading new strains of the virus.


But anyone with a vax can still get the virus, so how are they not also a 'petri dish'?

Seems to me - based on what little I know of the science - that vaxxed people would be far more so a 'petri dish' as the virus would have more inclination to mutate against forced immunity.

Isn't that how this stuff works, or am I being a moronic dickhead?

the short answer is yes


the medium answer is that it's true that some vaccines lose some of their efficacy when fewer people buy into them, which is why things like mandates exist for certain kinds of vaccines.

there are plenty of vaccines in existence that are not mandated. mandating only comes into question when the disease is so bad that it becomes extremely disruptive to society because of what the disease/virus itself does to humans in groups

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: trees] * 1
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I'm happy to see you thinking and posting sources. no sure why you feel I was owned, but I like the post trees. that kinda shit brings a tear to my eye.

So, omicron may have been isolated from a vaccinated individual, but it probably evolved by propagating through the whole population. It has a lot of mutations, and so many mutations are unlikely to emerge all at the same time or in the same person\place. What increases the likelihood of a virus acquiring these kind of gain of function mutations is increasing the number of viral replications in a population, and that's done by increasing the viral load in a population. If you do a more thorough review of things you obviously don't understand (I know that's a lot here, but stick with me), then you'll see that that viral counts are much higher in unvaccinated populations vs vaccinated populations that get infected (similar viral loads w/ delta variant in infected individuals in vaxxed vs unvaxxed, but shorter infection times and less viral transmission in vaccinated populations means less total load in the population). The real fuck up here, in my not so humble opinion, is not vaccinating the whole population more aggressively. The large unvaccinated population basically acts as an enriched grow medium for the virus to acquire mutations, and when you have a vaccinated population in direct contact with them, then the vaccinated population can act as a selective growth medium for viruses that can evade immunity acquired by vaccination. It's a good way to create escape variants and select for them at the same time. The best way to avoid gain of function mutations is to lower the number of viral replications in a population, and the best way to do that is widespread vaccination. It's a bitch though because it would have to be done on a huge scale that may not be realistic.

I will of course accept criticism from koods on these ideas because he understands it better than I do, and he can read and write basic English.

EDIT: I made a booboo and used the word people instead of population in a place or two, which was wrong. I fixed it so trees doesn't get a priapism from being right. hopefully he hasn't responded yet and is still okay.

Edited by Mr.GuessWork (12/01/21 04:03 PM)

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Mr.GuessWork]
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Imagine you're in a war against an enemy that can only die if you pull the trigger on a specific kind of gun, and the trigger on that gun is so heavy that 75% of the people in the society need to pull it almost  simultaneously for it to work

that is vaccine technology

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: morrowasted]
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morrowasted said:
the short answer is yes

the medium answer is that it's true that some vaccines lose some of their efficacy when fewer people buy into them, which is why things like mandates exist for certain kinds of vaccines.


So given the fact that the world will never be fully vaxxed (I'm thinking of the poorest of developing countries here, as well as those who don't want vax), then COVID seems more likely to mutate in vaxxed people.

Yet the hardcore pro-vax lot want something that is innately unachievable, kind of like how I want to see utopia...

Perhaps I'm not supposed to get it?


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Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not.
--Jac O'keeffe

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #27564784 -

As an aside; how did our last pandemic - the Spanish Flu - end?

From what I briefly saw, like COVID probably will, right? It'll become just another cold?

Did they do vax on Spanish Flu?


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Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not.
--Jac O'keeffe

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Jokeshopbeard] * 1
    #27564786 -

It's more complicated than that; you can create seasonal updates for the vaccine each year as we do with the flu

you just need 75% of the people (or whatever the figure is for that particular virus) to pull the trigger on it each year (or whatever the cycle ends up being for SARS-CoV-2) to see no endemic

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: morrowasted] * 1
    #27564798 -

Spanish flu fizzled out with mutations becoming less deadly, pretty sure. There were no vaxes for it. Almost certain thats the case for covid aswell. The varients seem to be get weaker, pretty sure no ones died from omicron.


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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: morrowasted]
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But flu is absolutely around and I think it's absolutely proven it's not going anywhere.

I've had it a couple times, no biggie at all.

Plus it kills a shit ton of people.

I won't ever get a flu jab, so I don't see how it's relevant to people going so fucking nuts about wanting everyone to have an enforced COVID jab? Why are people not the same with the flu jab as they are with this?

Could it be that... the media has whipped everyone into a frenzy?

Gasp! Shock! Horror!

They would never do that would they?!?! Not my precious media that I trust so much?!??!?!?!


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Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not.
--Jac O'keeffe

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
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Quote:
I've had it a couple times, no biggie at all.


The flu is the only illness I've ever had in my life that I would consider to be a "biggie", and I was 11. Ran a temp over 103 for a week straight. Even so, I never got vaccinated until I was compelled to, because I can be a lazy, hard headed son of a bitch in spite of my good intentions. Only reason I got vaccinated against COVID prior to being compelled was first hand exposure to the fact that it's definitely all the bad things about the flu but worse for society overall

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: morrowasted]
    #27564812 -

I've had food poisoning a couple of times that I would consider WAY worse than the flu. Flu was a cakewalk by comparison.

Although I will say, I think COVID was the most sick I've ever felt, TBF.

But still, I knew it would pass.


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Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not.
--Jac O'keeffe

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #27564816 -

Jokeshopbeard said:
Mr.GuessWork said:
you guys are still a threat to everyone in both the long-term and short-term and you're basically a petri dish for breading new strains of the virus.


But anyone with a vax can still get the virus, so how are they not also a 'petri dish'?

Seems to me - based on what little I know of the science - that vaxxed people would be far more so a 'petri dish' as the virus would have more inclination to mutate against forced immunity.

Isn't that how this stuff works, or am I being a moronic dickhead?


The TLDR on protecting those around you is- On an individual level by not getting vaccinated you're making the choice to be significantly more likely of a vector for an extremely contagious virus with a kill count in the millions, and you'll be an active spreader of that virus for far longer when you do catch it.

It's not an influenza virus, it's exponentially more contagious, more deadly, and the chances of reinfection are much higher.


As far as infection and how Covid protects the people around you, a vaccinated person is statistically far less likely to catch the virus than an unvaccinated person. If they do end up getting infected then they stay an infected spreader for roughly half the time since their body is already trained to eliminate it. A vaccinated person with a booster is ~90% protected against infection in the first place, and likely is an active spreader for an even shorter period.

If everyone in the country was 90%+ protected against infection, and only an active spreader for a few days even when infected, statistically Covid would be fade away almost instantly. On an individual level by not getting vaccinated you're making the choice to be significantly more likely to be a vector for an extremely contagious virus with a kill count in the millions, and you'll be an active spreader of that virus for far longer when you do catch it.

Virus mutations happen naturally, they don't mutate to evade vaccines in the way bacterial infections resist antibiotics. With vaccines it'd be a naturally evolved variant that has immunity escaping properties becoming dominant because it's better at evading immunity (in a largely immune population) than the other variants, this hypothetical strain would have evolved regardless of if vaccinations exist and would be just as effective at evading natural immunity as vaccine immunity. It's been almost 2 years and the vaccines are still extremely effective despite any variants.

The Omicron variant is still being studied, it might have immune evading properties that allow an increased infection rate but it doesn't look any more dangerous for vaccinated people. Vaccinated people getting infected is often used as a "gotcha" (see=trees), but that's literally just who we're talking about when we quote statistics. If there's 90% protection against infection, some people will still get infected...

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: trees]
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saying no one has died from omicron is a bold claim. No reported deaths is different from no deaths, particularly in the 3rd world. Everything I saw said it's still early to make estimates about it's severity and separate it's effects from delta's. Gotta be patient and wait for the science. hopefully it is weaker so the hospitals keep working, and hopfully immunity from vaccination and previous infection still prevent severe disease and transmission. that'd be a good thing for a while.




Flu is pretty well understood, unlike covid, and it's less of a public health threat. Covid is a bigger deal and it's spreading on a wider scale and doing way more damage. You may have noticed that the hospital system worked fine for the past flu seasons. Flu vaccines are mandated for certain things too though. There's more complexity in public health than people are giving it credit for. Flu is definitely different than covid in lots of ways. The media does create frenzies, but those aren't what's motivating mandates or other public health measures aside from the dumbass shit they do in places like Florida.

And like I and others have been posting, there are going to be significant long term effects from covid infection in the general population that you guys aren't thinking about. People think they're healthy and die of heart attacks all the time. Covid is one of those things right now. It's doing lots of subclinical damage to the population and that's going to make life suck later on for lots of people. It's already doing it to people in the short term.

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