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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Fiery]
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Well luckily you don't run the country or make decisions because if you did this country would be even more fucked than it is.

I also don't like the back and forth and would rather get along with people but I'm not an extremist in either direction.

You Wana blame someone then blame the scientist who let the shit out in the first place.

Or blame mother nature.

After covid we will have another virus doing the same shit.

It doesn't end.

Not even everyone getting a vax will end it. It just won't.


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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Enkidu]
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Enkidu said:
You Wana blame someone then blame the scientist who let the shit out in the first place.

Or blame mother nature.





Righto but like you said. We are where we are, so let's deal with it.


Get vaxxed, wear a mask. Problem would almost IMMEDIATELY solved going forward just playing catch up on all the people in ICU then back to normal hospital levels.



Nothing is going to make idiots smarten up and get a vax and wear a mask except for government mandates and threats. Period.

The people who are un vaxed and un masked should be ashamed of themselves

In my humble opinion

Edited by Fiery (09/06/21 09:06 PM)

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Fiery]
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I'm not ashamed.

You'd get a big dose of covid up the butt.


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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Enkidu]
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Enkidu said:
I'm not ashamed.

You'd get a big dose of covid up the butt.



I'm not sure you understand how covid transmission works

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Fiery]
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Yeah we’d have to make out first for that


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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: koods]
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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Enkidu]
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Hey everyone I'm back from my ban! Anyone who is skeered of getting vaccinated can suck it!



...a ventilator tube, that is!


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Schizophrenia beats dining alone, you know.

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Ima Trooper] * 3
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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: morrowasted]
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It's too late.

The anti vaxxers already effed it up for everyone else .. And now the "Mu" strain" which is even more contagious and deadly than the delta is making its rounds.



Basically everything is fucked because some asshole idiots refused to get vaxxed or wear a mask.

And yes I have a right to be angry about it.


This cat is out of the bag now and it's not going anywhere, sort of like guns.

STAY SAFE FOLKS and WATCH OUT FOR THE IDIOT ANTI VAX AND ANTI MASKERS- If you have to lose a couple of friends over that I wouldn't think twice.

It's life and death.

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: morrowasted]
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morrowasted said:





That's fucking hilarious

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: QM33]
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Here's the grant document for the research project that created COVID-19: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/21055989-understanding-risk-bat-coronavirus-emergence-grant-notice

They gave it to humanised mice that have human tissue xenoplanted into their lungs


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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: mongo lloyd] * 1
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This forum post summarizes a research proposal focused on understanding the risk of zoonotic coronavirus emergence, particularly those originating from bat species. The study, proposed to assess three specific aims, aims to explore the transmission dynamics of bat-CoVs at human-wildlife interfaces, such as live animal markets in China and communities with high exposure to bats. By screening bats and high-risk human populations for novel coronaviruses, the research will investigate how market dynamics and viral evolution contribute to potential spillover events. Specific Aim 1 examines the capacity of bat-CoVs to infect other hosts through evolutionary adaptation or recombination. Specific Aim 2 explores the host range of bat-CoVs and predicts emergence risk using phylogenetic analyses and predictive models, considering factors like receptor conservation and ecological opportunity. Specific Aim 3 tests these predictions experimentally using reverse genetics and receptor binding assays to identify how bat-CoVs might spill over to other species. The overall goal is to provide public health-relevant data to improve predictive models and target bat species and CoVs most relevant for understanding cross-species transmission mechanisms.

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SPECIFIC AIMS:

Zoonotic coronaviruses are a significant threat to global health, as demonstrated with the emergence of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus (SARS-CoV) in 2002, and the recent emergence Middle East Respiratory Syndrome (MERS-CoV). The wildlife reservoirs of SARS-CoV were identified by our group as bat species, and since then hundreds of novel bat-CoVs have been discovered (including >260 by our group). These, and other wildlife species, are hunted, traded, butchered and consumed across Asia, creating a largescale human-wildlife interface, and high risk of future emergence of novel CoVs.

To understand the risk of zoonotic CoV emergence, we propose to examine 1) the transmission dynamics of bat-CoVs across the human-wildlife interface, and 2) how this process is affected by CoV evolutionary potential. and how it might force CoV evolution. We will assess the nature and frequency of contact among animals and people in two critical human-animal interfaces: live animal markets in China and people who are highly exposed to bats in rural China. In the markets we hypothesize that viral emergence may be accelerated by heightened mixing of host species leading to viral evolution, and high potential for contact with humans. In this study, we propose three specific aims and will screen free ranging and captive bats in China for known and novel coronaviruses screen people who have hi h occu ational exposure to bats and other wildlife and examine the enetics and rece tor bindin properties of novel bat-CoVs we have already identified and those we will discover. We will then use ecological and evolutionary analyses and predictive mathematical models to examine the risk of future bat-CoV spillover to humans. This work will follow 3 specific aims:

Specific Aim 1: Assessment of CoV spillover potential at high risk human-wildlife interfaces. We will examine if: 1) wildlife markets in China provide enhanced capacity for bat-Co Vs to infect other hosts, either via evolutionary adaptation or recombination; 2) the import of animals from throughout Southeast Asia introduces a higher genetic diversity of mammalian CoVs in market systems compared to within intact ecosystems of China and Southeast Asia; We will interview people about the nature and frequency of contact with bats and other wildlife; collect blood samples from people highly exposed to wildlife; and collect a full range of clinical samples from bats and other mammals in the wild and in wetmarkets; and screen these for CoVs using serological and molecular assays.

Specific Aim 2: Receptor evolution, host range and predictive modeling of bat-CoV emergence risk. We propose two competing hypotheses: 1) CoV host-range in bats and other mammals is limited by the phylogenetic relatedness of bats and evolutionary conservation of CoV receptors; 2) CoV host-range is limited by geographic and ecological op ortunit for contact betweens ecies so that the wildlife trade disrupts the 'natural' co-phylogeny, facilitates spillover and promotes viral evolution. We will develop CoV phylogenies from sequence data collected previously by our group, and in the proposed study, as well as from Genbank. We will examine co-evolutionary congruence of bat-CoVs and their hosts using both functional (receptor) and neutral genes. We will predict host-range in unsampled species using a generalizable model of host and viral ecolo ical and h lo enetic traits to ex lain atterns of viral sharin betweens ecies. We will test for positive selection in market vs. wild-sampled viruses, and use data to parameterize mathematical models that predict CoV evolutionary and transmission dynamics. We will then examine scenarios of how CoVs with different transmissibility would likely emerge in wildlife markets.

Specific Aim 3: Testing predictions of CoV inter-species transmission. We will test our models of host range (i.e. emergence potential) experimentally using reverse genetics, pseudovirus and receptor binding assays, and virus infection experiments in cell culture and humanized mice. will test our models of host range (i.e. emergence potential) experimentally using reverse genetics, pseudovirus and receptor binding assays, and virus infection experiments in cell culture and humanized mice. With bat-CoVs that we've isolated or sequenced, and using live virus or pseudovirus infection in cells of different origin or expressing different receptor molecules, we will assess potential for each isolated virus and those with receptor binding site sequence, to spill over. We will do this by sequencing the spike (or other receptor binding/fusion) protein genes from all our bat-CoVs, creating mutants to identify how significantly each would need to evolve to use ACE2, CD26/DPP4 (MERS-CoV receptor) or other potential CoV receptors. We will then use receptor-mutant pseudovirus binding assays, in vitro studies in bat, primate, human and other species' cell lines, and with humanized mice where particularly interesting viruses are identified phylogenetically, or isolated. will then use receptor-mutant pseudovirus binding assays, in vitro studies in bat, primate, human and other species' cell lines, and with humanized mice where particularly interesting viruses are identified phylogenetically, or isolated. These tests will provide public health-relevant data, and also iteratively improve our predictive model to better target bat species and Co Vs during our field studies to obtain bat-CoV strains of the greatest interest for understanding the mechanisms of cross-species transmission.




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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: mongo lloyd]
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Thanks for sharing

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: morrowasted]
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97-99.25% recovery rate right?

So percentage wise what is the death toll?

Not numbers but % of total population ?

Anyone have that handy? Tried to find quickly but been super busy


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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Enkidu]
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Enkidu said:
97-99.25% recovery rate right?

So percentage wise what is the death toll?

Not numbers but % of total population ?

Anyone have that handy? Tried to find quickly but been super busy



at present 0.000582% of the total human population of earth has died specifically from COVID-19, if that is what you're asking.

a pretty useless figure unless you have a good handle on a lot of other stats

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: morrowasted]
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You can't put the "cost of covid" into a number of deaths.


You have to factor in the deaths, the long term illness, the family trauma, the psychological state of the human population as a whole, the massive setbacks to lives - etc.



So as a total- I'd say the "cost of covid" is close to the population of this Earth.

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: morrowasted]
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morrowasted said:
Enkidu said:
97-99.25% recovery rate right?

So percentage wise what is the death toll?

Not numbers but % of total population ?

Anyone have that handy? Tried to find quickly but been super busy



at present 0.000582% of the total human population of earth has died specifically from COVID-19, if that is what you're asking.

a pretty useless figure unless you have a good handle on a lot of other stats



Yeah if that's the percentage which was unexpected then I'd need some numbers from other things to get some perspective it seems. That % doesn't even seem right.

@Fiery, you're so dramatic. I didn't ask what Fiery thought the cost of covid was, I asked for a specific set of data that I couldn't find and thought someone here may have found it already or knew where or how to find it and was willing to share

Appreciate the response Morrow


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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Enkidu]
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Pretty much all figures and stats seem to be useless to antivaxxers.

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Mr.GuessWork]
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That's a pretty absurd comment and generalization.

Vaxers are all (insert generalization that doesn't apply to all vaxers)

I guess it's a convenient way to feel good about yourself and your position though


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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Enkidu]
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He said the number of deaths is a fraction of a %.

Don't you think a psycho anti vaxers would be all "ohh that's so small blah blah blah bullshit bullshit" the vax is stupid, vaxers are dumb blah blah blah

That's basically what people in this thread say over and over


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