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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: morrowasted]
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So disregarding the vax and covid debate, how many people believe the virus is man made?

Because very unexpectedly I spoke to two of the most intelligent well respected people I've ever met in my life, the one who has an MD said the virus is not natural and believes it was man made.

Not looking for insults, please don't insult this viewpoint. This man is from Hong Kong and served in the military, he's an older gentleman and personally knows people who travel to and were traveling in China at the time before the outbreak became common knowledge. He married into my family, my grandmother's sisters husband. One of the best human beings I've ever encountered in my life without a doubt and one of the most intelligent and humble.

Never in a million years would I have expected to hear him say those words and my jaw basically dropped when he did. He is nowhere near a conspiracy theorist.

He also has been vaccinated and said the vax is doing what it was intended to do, but he has no doubt the virus is not natural and that the variants are unnatural mutations due to it being developed that way.

Has this been discussed ?

That's scary as shit.

Everything going on involving China these days is scary as fuck.


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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Enkidu]
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But most importantly longbus, since you're "not retarded", you know that what I meant by taking steps to be exposed to what we've been exposed to I meant a lot more than just being exposed to the SARS CoV 2 virus itself

Edited by morrowasted (09/05/21 08:54 PM)

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Enkidu]
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So I guess he doesn't necessarily believe it was manufactured to use as a weapon but he doesn't believe it developed naturally

Potentially man made as a means to develop vaccines and antibodies and an accidental release that was denied.

Either way shit is kinda scary to me. And China especially is frightening with everything they're doing

I missed the last few pages of this thread but wanted to share this here since I personally never really considered this wasn't natural. Probably late to the party again, probably been talked about

Was very surprised he said this


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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: morrowasted] * 1
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Hilarious anti-maskers

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Crazy_Horse]
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I think the virus being created by man and getting the vaccine are two different battles.


And maybe the people who made it wanted to get rid of the people who were afraid of vaccines and the government and shit.

Anyone ever think that?

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Enkidu]
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I'm not really sure what the latest evidence is for it being a lab leak or not.

Seems logical that a coronavirus lab in Wuhan could have a leak. Also seems logical that what researchers have been predicting for years finally happened, a more severe novel coronavirus came out of a wet market, or just happened naturally elsewhere. Could be other causes as well.

All conspiracy theorists seem to jump to China being behind it if it was an engineered virus, but why would they release it in such an obvious place where they have a coronavirus lab? Why not go one step further into the conspiracy realm and think about a russia or north korea or the CIA or any other number of countries/groups releasing the engineered virus in Wuhan to make it easy to blame on the Chinese?

If I was forced to bet I'd probably go with it being natural, but idk. It's probably one of those things people will still be debating 60 years from now regardless of what new evidence comes forward from either side.

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: feevers] * 1
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Nothing new has surfaced surrounding knowledge of the origins of the virus. Anything you see or hear is speculation based off of the same inconclusive evidence we have had for over a year, or worse, speculation based on other different speculation about that evidence.



Figuring out how to proceed with things like virology research on a global scale- what can/should be regulated/enforced- should be near the top of every country's priority risk. Both naturally occurring viruses and manmade bioweapons are a potential threat to everyone on Earth.


Y'all can speculate all you want but federal resources- material and cognitive- should be focused on how to proceed rather than on who to blame

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: morrowasted]
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Well apparently American gov has ties to and have been sending money to these centers for research. And apparently Dr. Faucci has ties to it. And the reason it's happening in China is because noone would let that shit happen here from the sound of it.

The location of the outbreak was one of only 3 locations known to be testing the virus using gain of function?

You've heard of this term "gain of function"?

I had never heard of if.

If you haven't then look it up.

Basically what it sounds like is you replicate mutation in order to try and get ahead of what can be produced.

Excell growth, kill off 90%, rinse and repeat.

Apparently the WHO has attempted to find and verify animals with in a very large radius unable to locate this virus in an animal and an investigation into China was considered inconclusive since China claimed it was cooperating yet wouldn't cooperate.

This is likely old news to some but new to me.

Somehow it got out, noone I talked to thinks it was intentional as it wouldn't make much sense.

One member of my family seems to think it's easily plausible once China discovered what happen that they sent people on planes to infect the rest of the world.

That would easily make sense from a tactical military standpoint as China wouldn't want to appear weak to attack.

My aunt seems to think it's more likely people just travel and it happen on its own.

Either way doesn't matter much.

I really don't care if people agree with this or disagree, believe or don't believe.

My family member from Hong Kong was sent as a kid from China out of fear of the socialist party. He went to a boarding school in Australia. He was the youngest male in the family. China at the time was taking kids. Basically to use as leverage for anyone who would go against the socialist party. His parents feared the communist party. He only ever went home 2 times in his life to visit his family. He ended up joining and serving in the military.

There's people who have been here longer and seen a lot of shit we haven't and know things about the world and our history we don't. 

I'm not sharing this for myself in sharing this because I think it's important for people to be aware of this information.

Do with it what you want. I would want to know this if it were me and I think it's important to share it. Idc if you believe it or not.


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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Enkidu]
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If this was coming out of the mouth of anyone besides the people telling me then id think it was a bullshit conspiracy theory.

This is coming from the most educated and intelligent people I know or have ever met in my life who do not use drugs, who have been involved in politics, who come from families of engineers, and then my great uncle from Hong Kong who I'm not related to.

This isn't a conspiracy theory.

China likely blamed it on a wet market when they realized they fucked up by letting it out.

People I talked to think it was an accidental leak. Not intentional.

Then a cover up.

Yes it sounds like a conspiracy but based on the evidence this is the conclusion multiple parties are coming to. And educated level headed people. These aren't stupid people or people manipulated by bullshit conspiracy threads.

They are well read well educated individuals who I wish I would have talked to sooner with but haven't.

All my family lives 6+ hours away and all throughout the US. I've been dealing with my own giant bag of problems the last 2 years.

I was recently back home visiting with some of them and we ended up in a lengthy private conversation after most of our family had left


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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Enkidu]
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Morrow no offense bro but entertain the possibility these people know things you don't

If this was coming from me that's one this isn't my information.

I'm just relaying it.

I'm not stupid but these people have me best by miles without even trying.

That's just a fact

Idc if people believe it or not.

I'm sharing what I've found out so do with it what you want.


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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Enkidu]
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I've heard what you are saying too. That it was an accidental release and a total coverup- that is the general consensus I believe.


But like you said. we are where we are- no matter how it happened.



So why  can't the government mandate masks at the very least. Cry and protest all you want but wear a mask in public, damnit!
Hey, if you don't want to wear a mask  then guess what? you don't get to go shopping you have to order groceries for pickup online( which is very easy and costs the same)



America dropped the virus ball HARD with Trump, picked it up halfway, and dropped it again and now the ball is just on the ground and people are kicking it around.


PICK THE BALL UP AMERICA! It's outrageous.




Everywhere I go people are not wearing masks and just in groups and eating out at restaurants and shopping down the isles and standing in lines with NO MASKS


It's infuriating.

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Enkidu]
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Also like to add all of these people got the vax.

And they didn't have any type of crazy conspiracy theory shit to say about the vax itself.

They didn't tell me personally to get it though or try to pressure me into getting it.

But all this was all new to me. Like you mentioned some of this is old news but I felt like I needed to make a post and share it anyway.

I don't give two fucks about Trump but if you're going to complain about Trump then let's complain about the absolute disgrace that is Joe Biden

In his defense he is likely mentally feeble with dementia and the victim of elder abuse

The man gets lost in stage and can't even find his notes to read the information he can't even remember to regurgitate while his actions are fucking the American people in the ass including our military. One of our longest standing allies has called his a complete disgrace over what happen with Kabul and all that shit when our allies were calling their supperors asking wtf is going on while American troops up and left with no word and Biden took 48 hours to respond to their calls.

Fucking disgusting

But like I said he's a puppet

Meanwhile here we are dived as fuck while we all get fucked in the ass

Trump is a shitty human being but he wouldn't have ditched our troops

Do we really want to compare two shitty presidents back and forth and try and grasp for something good from them and complain about the other?

Wtf is that wasteful ass manipulated divide bullshit?

You're falling victim even entertaining that argument back and forth red and blue.

I don't think it matters the way this ship is going you better be prepared to handle whatever fucked up future we have in store


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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Fiery] * 1
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Well apparently American gov has ties to and have been sending money to these centers for research. And apparently Dr. Faucci has ties to it. And the reason it's happening in China is because noone would let that shit happen here from the sound of it.


Ugh. Fauci is the director of NIAID. The primary function of NIH is to fund medical research. Tens of thousands of labs around the world get NIH funding. An American researcher into bat coronaviruses who worked at the wuhan lab received an NIH grant. Fauci didn’t personally fund anything. Grant applications are processed by committees.


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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: morrowasted]
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morrowasted said:
longbus said:
morrowasted said:
longbus said:
I made thst agreement with everyone here when i signed up, for better or for worse.


Have you taken steps to exposed yourself to that medical personnel are presently exposed to?


Well my house had covid in it and i didnt get it because im not retarded and drink lots of chaga. Its pretty simple to boost your immune system.


Trying to decipher this. Did you intend to imply that everyone in your house got covid because they are retarded? Do you live in a special needs home?

Did you mean to imply that you didn't get covid because you are not retarded, because you drank Chaga, or both?


I meant to imply that once i heard they had covid i stayed in my room, kept my hands clean, drank lots of chaga, amd that my roommate got it because he hung out at his girlfriends house and slept there when he knew she was sick, which is kind of retarded. Sleeping in the bed of a sick person during a pandemic is kinda dumb. I didnt do that. If you drink enough chaga and ginger you will be fine. He drank chaga and ginger for 2 days and was fine. If you drink chaga, it will cure covid 100%. Throw some ginger in for good measure. And this is from experience. This person who had covid is also a heavy drinker who smokes. its a shame people dont know about natural medicine. Chaga is a miracle drug. I"ve only truly been sick like right at the beginning of all this (the december before covid came to canada). I layed in my bed for 3 days drinking a mixture of chaga, lemon, local honey, and whisky, and i was fine in 3 days. Who knows, maybe i had covid? I was really fucking sick, every swallow was torture. Fortunately for me im not retarded and know what plants do to heal and dont rely on western medicine for head colds. I harvest my own medicine from the woods.


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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: longbus]
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Sorry i meant to say ive only truly been sick like once in the past 5 years once i discovered chaga. Im a little buzzed.


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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: koods]
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I would call that having ties


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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Enkidu]
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You don’t know how the grant system works then


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“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

Edited by koods (09/06/21 11:45 AM)

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: birdeatingspider]
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birdeatingspider said:
And while I'm at it, I am extremely disturbed by the multiple medical workers spouting incessant intolerance and downright disgust/hatred for those left unvaccinated.
Dont healthcare workers take an oath- to not turn away those sick or injured- and to treat objectively and without bias?
If this becomes a trend, I can see these attitudes drastically making matters worse.

We should be educating and helping those on the fence come to rational conclusions that align with their personal comfort level and confidence. Shaming will have an adverse reaction, as has been mentioned.


Remember in the wake of 911 when we all came together and United. As a result we rebuilt and restored our fellow faith in humanity- its what makes this land so special, the acceptance of the melting pot that is america, and recognizing the worth in each individual. This at current is the wrong approach, will have detrimental impact, and especially healthcare providers should be doing better.
(Not including feevers in this, I admire your mature and educational/helpful replies, despite founded frustration).

Don't get me wrong, I can understand the blatant frustration that you must be fumimg with. All I would ask is you consider your tact when interacting with those who have not received a vaccine.
This did not happen overnight, and only patience and compassion will right the course.


Oh and, its clear as day and night- this is not a black and white issue. Just because someone hasnt gotten the jab does not make them a stereotypical, hysterical antivaxxer.

And news flash, the people I know who have not gotten the vax are majority left wingers, not republicans.

If you implore those unvaccinated to use critical thinking and rationale, please hold yourself to the same standard.



The last demographics I saw on the unvaccinated showed the overwhelming majority were republican, as well as poor and white with low education. Not sure where you live and what the popular politics are around you, but that presumption about antivaxxers being republican is coming from those stats.

Also, this is a bad example of using acceptance and tolerance to achieve a common good. allowing the unvaccinated to freely roam around is killing people, and it needs to be stopped, which means it shouldn't be tolerated or accepted. Shaming and/or escalating conflict is a viable option in this case since we need behaviors to change, and we don't have time for everyone to learn science and make rational decisions. We silence lots of bad ideas through public shaming and other things like it, and those practices are often effective even if they're crude and brutal. There's a reason the KKK doesn't march down main street anymore, and it's not because of tolerance and understanding for their opinions. Shame and strong public opinions are important parts of social behavior, and they have their place. Laws don't typically come into being until a conflict has escalated enough to cause a real problem, and right now the public conscious needs it to be a problem for people not to be vaccinated so we can have a functioning hospital system. If you're making excuses for people to avoid vaccination for nonsense reasons, then you're promoting unnecessary suffering on a large scale, and that's worthy of shame. Public health is being setback to the point where people are dying of easily treatable illness, and the consequences of the choice to get vaccinated or not are very clearcut. When people refuse to get vaccinated, they're hurting other people, plain and simple. Ultimately it's a failure of leadership that people are making choices to wantonly cause this kind of suffering, but since we don't have any effective laws to help us function as a society right now, we're stuck using primitive tools like shaming. If people don't want to feel shame, then they can get vaccinated and stop fucking up the country.

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Mr.GuessWork]
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Some of you are so dramatic.

Everyone in my family is Republican. Conservative to be a bit more precise.

I'm possibly the only one in my family who hasn't had the vax. Also the youngest and healthiest.

Not a single one of them thinks people who aren't vaxed are killing people etc or all the dramatic shit posted here regurgitated daily.

Nice to go spend time with some vaxers who aren't insane


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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Enkidu]
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Enkidu said:
Not a single one of them thinks people who aren't vaxed are killing people etc or all the dramatic shit posted here regurgitated daily.

Nice to go spend time with some vaxers who aren't insane



Bro. Unvaxxed people ARE killing people :picard:


Look I don't want to get into it as I'm so over this all.



Currently the only thing that is going to save America are some HARD BLANKET LAWS FROM THE GOVERNMENT WITH SERIOUS CONSEQUENCES.


No mask? no vax? fine, then you just can't go out in public.

Don't like it? Well then you get your bank accounts locked. Finances frozen. suspended from work, and of course, arrested and put in a special anti vax anti mask cell with the rest of the losers. 

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