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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Mr.GuessWork]
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Mr.GuessWork said:
Pretty much all figures and stats seem to be useless to antivaxxers.



Including Ivermectin dosage directions, in many cases.


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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Asante]
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I'm sure everyone heard about Joe Rogan, that shit is crazy. Not that he was advocating it, that doesn't surprise me at all with his crazy ass, but the whole contract!?

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Enkidu]
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Enkidu said:
97-99.25% recovery rate right?

So percentage wise what is the death toll?

Not numbers but % of total population ?

Anyone have that handy? Tried to find quickly but been super busy


Worldometer has a deaths per capita column https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Peru is the highest where .59% of the total population has died.

The US is .2% with a number of states over .3% and some hard hit counties around .8%


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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Enkidu]
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Enkidu said:
That's a pretty absurd comment and generalization.

Vaxers are all (insert generalization that doesn't apply to all vaxers)

I guess it's a convenient way to feel good about yourself and your position though



I don't think it's much of an overgeneralization regardless of how anyone feels about it. There is no argument for avoiding vaccination that makes any sensible use of any real world stats or figures, and some the stats and figures supporting vaccination are ridiculously easy to interpret, so I think it's pretty fair to doubt the general ability of antivaxxers to use stats and figures. Can you present a valid argument against vaccination using well established facts and figures? Do you know anyone who can?

Edited by Mr.GuessWork (09/07/21 07:04 PM)

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: koods]
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koods said:
Worldometer has a deaths per capita column https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/




For emphasis:

Of the worldwide closed cases, 2% of those who tested positive, 2% died. That is the reality.

222 million had it
4.5 million died

We will probably pass the 6 million dead mark before the year is out.


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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Enkidu]
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Enkidu said:
Enkidu said:
I'm not ashamed.

You'd get a big dose of covid up the butt.




@Fiery, you're so dramatic. I didn't ask what Fiery thought the cost of covid was, I asked for a specific set of data that I couldn't find





Relax dude you're coming unhinged about this

:melt:

I was stating the REAL cost of covid and my thoughts on anti-vaxers and you flipped a lid.


Do you hear yourself? This is no way to conduct business in this thread.

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Fiery]
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Alright alright, we're all adults here having a serious discussion. You two, go make out and get it over with.

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Lynnch]
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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Mr.GuessWork]
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Mr.GuessWork said:
Enkidu said:
That's a pretty absurd comment and generalization.

Vaxers are all (insert generalization that doesn't apply to all vaxers)

I guess it's a convenient way to feel good about yourself and your position though



I don't think it's much of an overgeneralization regardless of how anyone feels about it. There is no argument for avoiding vaccination that makes any sensible use of any real world stats or figures, and some the stats and figures supporting vaccination are ridiculously easy to interpret, so I think it's pretty fair to doubt the general ability of antivaxxers to use stats and figures. Can you present a valid argument against vaccination using well established facts and figures? Do you know anyone who can?


I legitimately can not come up with any argument against the vax that i find rational considering the data.

Sorry didn't even see this comment or the other ones.

Even after talking to my family and being around 10 people, I believe all were vaxed besides me, I can't help but trust my natural instinct.

I just can't seem to overcome that. Something inside me (as mentioned, potentially irrational) will not allow me to entertain the thought of going into a hospital and getting an injection.

If I got the vax I would do it against my natural instinct, I would have a very high level of anxiety against it, and I would most likely feel a huge amount of regret and be worried most likely until enough time passes for me to forget it happen. Which idk if I could or not.

It was much easier getting vaxed as a kid when I wasn't given a choice and wasn't even aware it happen.

I don't trust these people, I don't trust the vax, I don't trust what's happening.

I can't say it's rational or that there's a reason besides my gut and instinct which I imagine is also partly influenced by what I know about history and humans and my experiences etc

I don't know understand how people do trust it but I'm almost envious that the decision and doing it is so easy for you all.

I can't say I disagree with most of whats said from a point of statistics and data. Yet I seem to reject it. Idk why but it's like I can see that my rational doesn't make sense yet I can't overcome it

All I can do is find reasons and excuses that help make me feel better about my inability to get the vax. I try not to be an extremist about it but anything that can help me feel better (for example, the whole 78% of those in hospitals are obese and I'm not obese and I'm healthy therefore I should get a pass from following their protocol and rules) things like that.

I have no problem being honest and I try to see things for what they really are. That includes myself, my flawed thinking or irrational choices etc.

I try to be aware even if in this case I almost feel there is absolutely no possible way I could force myself to do it


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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Enkidu]
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Also I'll add this

I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of the people who aren't getting the vax have a similar feeling and are listening

And I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of people who got the vax ignored that feeling or voice

And I wouldn't be surprised if the reason those who didn't get the vax or want the vax are clinging to any shred of potential reasoning simply because for whatever reason their choice and decision isn't being honored or respected and they're being (ever so politely) asked to ignore it and do what others want them to do and see telling them to do.

My own aunt who got the vax and said she thinks I should get the vax also told me maybe I should trust my gut

My dad who got the vax also told me "son, if it doesn't feel right, don't do it."


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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Enkidu]
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If the people in power did everything mentioned in this thread in terms of forcing vax or removing all rights to freedom or went further and came to my house and tried to force me to get a vax, etc etc,

I still wouldn't get the vax.

And actually the harder someone pushes me or tries to get me to do something I won't do because I'm trusting myself as opposed to them, the harder I'd fight to protect my right to make my own decisions for myself as opposed to ignoring my own voice and accepting someone's tyranny over me.

I don't trust our gov, I don't trust people in power, I don't trust humans.

I have no good reason to trust these humans. none.

I have many many many reasons NOT to trust them.

So who do I trust? Myself? Or people I don't trust?

Why would I ignore what my gut and instinct is telling me and stick around?

Like a lion telling me hey, come on over, and my gut screaming NO! RUN!

I'ma trust my gut.

Anytime I ignored it I wished I hadn't.

Any time I listened I've never regret it.

Things aren't always as they seem.


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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Enkidu]
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so to sum up your last 3 posts... you are not vaxxed because ( and I am attempting to paraphrase)

1- it just doesn't "feel right to you"
2- " you don't trust anyone"



Well great.

Keep on trusting your gut then and ignore science because of your "feelings"


Don't even consider the feelings of people whom you could have or can be spreading the virus unknowingly to who may die or end up with a lifelong condition.


This is exactly why we are in such a mess right now in this world. I'm not SAYING you are being selfish. But in a global crisis like this, yeah... I'm gonna go ahead and play the "you're being selfish card"



You're also extremely internally conflicted about this choice it seems too. And have lashed out at me and others and have been obsessed a little bit.  Which I'm not sure is a good thing.

If you've made your decision to be anti vax then just stick to it and let it go and face the consequences or not whatever they may be.





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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Enkidu]
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Enkidu said:
I'ma trust my gut.

Anytime I ignored it I wished I hadn't.

Things aren't always as they seem.



Gut feelings aren't always what they seem either. There have been plenty of times when I had a bad feeling, didn't do something, and then later learned it was nothing like I assumed it would be. Better safe than sorry,  I guess.

At the same time, there have been times when I wished I'd listened to my gut. It's a hit or miss, just gotta decide if you wanna gamble or not.

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Fiery]
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I agree that in a way it is selfish. I attempt to be pretty careful for the sake of others and not for my own sake as for whatever reason I'm not scared of covid one bit.

I am not conflicted at all internally. It don't seem right and I can't take it. That doesn't mean I don't recognize that it appears the data is saying I'm wrong. But the data appearing to say I'm wrong doesn't make me question myself.

The confliction is that my internal view differs from those around me.

I've had multiple instances in extremely high risk scenarios with people who had Ill intentions toward me where my gut instinct, feeling, and listening to it, was what saved my ass

One time I discovered a narcissist potentially sociopath, after very limited encounters, he was one of the most intelligent people I've ever met in my life. 

Had an encounter with him, tripped with him and a friend, got a real bad feeling about him. After the trip it waned out, I wrote it off as a bad hunch. Later found out he had abused my friend (a female) and had been using and taking advantage of her etc etc. Not a good person. One of the instances where my gut was right based off basically no info just pure feeling.

I know your gut is sometimes wrong but I can live with being wrong and listening. I can't live with being right and not listening.

In my life I've learned to listen to myself always.


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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: 1234go]
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1234go said:
Enkidu said:
I'ma trust my gut.

Anytime I ignored it I wished I hadn't.

Things aren't always as they seem.



Gut feelings aren't always what they seem either. .


Could be a tape worm. Ivermectin would clear that up.

Can you imagine how long it takes enkidu to decide what to wear in the morning?


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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: koods]
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Gut feelings work better when they're informed by reason rather than misplaced broad fear and distrust. well developed fear and distrust, when they're developed with informed reflection, can be advantageous. But using fear and distrust in authority to ignore following through with reasonable assessment of a situation is maladaptive. Reason supports getting vaccinated. If fear and/or distrust aren't supporting the reasonable choice, then the fear/distrust are harmful, and you should attempt to address the fear/distrust rather than ignore reason. Use some of that psychology you learned to analyze and address the parts of the decision making and value determination that promoting maladaptive outcome of risking severe harm by not getting vaccinated when all the science and reason indicates it's a safe and effective outcome.

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: koods]
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koods said:
1234go said:
Enkidu said:
I'ma trust my gut.

Anytime I ignored it I wished I hadn't.

Things aren't always as they seem.



Gut feelings aren't always what they seem either. .


Could be a tape worm. Ivermectin would clear that up.

Can you imagine how long it takes enkidu to decide what to wear in the morning?


About as long as youd last in bed if you could get it up, 5 seconds


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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Enkidu] * 5
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Sure you last long but only because you can’t decide which hole to use. Maybe make a thread “thinking about going in the back door, but need more info.” The antivaggers will be out in force telling you about all the terrible things that can happen if you fuck a vagina. In the end, no holes get fucked and you spend the next two months debating stink v pink.


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“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: koods]
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Sounds more like one of your personal experiences

Stop projecting


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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: koods]
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koods said:
1234go said:
Enkidu said:
I'ma trust my gut.

Anytime I ignored it I wished I hadn't.

Things aren't always as they seem.



Gut feelings aren't always what they seem either. .


Could be a tape worm. Ivermectin would clear that up.

Can you imagine how long it takes enkidu to decide what to wear in the morning?


koods said:
Sure you last long but only because you can’t decide which hole to use. Maybe make a thread “thinking about going in the back door, but need more info.” The antivaggers will be out in force telling you about all the terrible things that can happen if you fuck a vagina. In the end, no holes get fucked and you spend the next two months debating stink v pink.


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