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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: longbus] * 4
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Jokeshopbeard said:
feevers said:
Vaccine technology is the greatest achievement of science and medicine and pretty miraculous when you actually think about it.



You mean it's taken the chains off of natural selection and denied mother nature her ability to limit and curtail when a species becomes too numerous for its own good - as she does for ALL other species on the planet - so that we have been able to grow and divide unchecked and so become our own and every other species on the planets worst nightmare, fucking and pillaging the habitats of all other animals in our unrestrained growth because of our petty, emotional, small minded fear of death?

Sounds like the worst thing we've ever done to me, but hey ho, horses for courses 'n all.



Natural selection isn't some static force. Humans are products of nature. Natural selection led to the evolution of a species/brain with the intelligence to create vaccines, the physical ability and dexterity to form the hardware, the cooperation to come together to manufacture and distribute them, the linguistic ability to explain their purpose and safety to other humans, and the basic risk assessment and understanding of the importance of community that leads most people to take them. These are all traits that were selected for over the course of our evolution for various reasons. There's nothing we can do to "deny" mother nature, we're a part of it whether or not we recognize it.

Far before vaccines small groups of humans were devastating and transforming the earth. Over-hunting different species to extinction, over-fishing lakes and streams enough to make them barren, burning and reshaping forests including much of the amazon... devastating the original biodiversity that existed there

If you look at the human impact on earth with the same "why vaccinate" kind of nihilism, every species on earth will be dead anyway in a few billion years when the sun dies, so what exactly would be gained from letting billions of people die unnecessarily in an attempt to delay inevitable human destrcution? Life is life and we're all doomed to the same fate.

Oddly enough a large human population, if we could actually cooperate and bypass political and corporate influences, could come together to create and implement technology that would allow us to actually exist far more sustainably than the much smaller population of our ancestors did. The same sort of individualstic thinking, distrust of science/technology, and preference for ignoring abstract threats that lead many people to refuse vaccination are a large part of why these endeavors arent taking place, why we all go about our daily lives ignoring that our habitat is going to shit all around us.

Simplistic arguments based upon a human's view of what's "natural" usually don't hold much weight. Every thought we think and action we take is just as much a product of nature as a leaf falling from a tree. We're living in the present and we have a simple way to eliminate a massive amount of unnecessary suffering and death that's happening all around us, right now. Refusing vaccination and dying or infecting people who then die is not somehow going to get people to stop over-hunting, poisioning the ocean, burning the rainforest etc. Getting vaccinated could help make sure that grandma is sitting in front of a TV watching the ball drop next weekend instead of in the ICU with tubes down her throat gurgling her final goodbyes over zoom though :shrug2:

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: feevers]
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There’s some interesting epidemiological quirks about omicron that are starting to come to light. Old people are not getting infected at anywhere near the same rate as younger and middle age people. It’s happening in the UK and the US. We saw lower rates in older people with delta, but those are in line what you would expect from the vaccines. With omicron, the differences are massivel. Middle aged people are getting infected at 5 to 15 times the rate of people over 70

Yesterday I posted data showing that the omicron wave is causing an increase in vaccine efficacy in senior citizens

In DC 50% of cases are in the 20-44 age group. Only 5% are 65+

It’s also looking like the boosters are preventing the vast majority of omicron infections.

Aside from the unprecedented explosion in cases, omicron really does appear to be almost completely benign.

Edited by koods (12/24/21 09:01 PM)

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: koods]
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Can't wait to see how this affects Delta resistance and severity.

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: koods]
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koods said:
Aside from the unprecedented explosion in cases, omicron really does appear to be almost completely benign.



Lets hope that sticks, fingers crossed. My god how many times has it changed from a benign infection to a 6 person car crash fatality


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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: trees] * 1
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The running theory is that an excess of civilization is what drove Germany and most Germans to do barbaric things in WW2. I'd say we have quite a bit of excess in today's world.

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Gorlax]
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I have never persuaded anyone to do anything.



wow. Is this something you are proud of?


I had a 19 year old female covid positive patient today. She was asymptomatic for covid though. The big issue is that given current policies about isolation precautions, having covid positive patients takes up a lot of space. They end up using the isolation rooms from every unit for covid patients whether or not that unit specializes in whatever problem they have. So for example people on the orthopedic unit have to wait much longer for surgery right now, in large part due to logistical problems caused by covid. There are two ways to move forward. One is to decide/determine that the impact of omicron is approximately the same as or perhaps even less than that of other common coronaviruses, and simply remove some of the policies that were put into place in 2020. The other way is for people to actually take precautions against covid so that it dies out. It's quite clear at this point that that isn't going to happen.

Everytime you choose to flex your opinion about freedom being of paramount importance, I want you to remember that there are a lot of people in the hospital right now on Christmas because they've been waiting for a surgery that they  have gotten within a day 2 years ago for nearly a week. And those are the lucky ones.

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Jokeshopbeard] * 2
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Jokeshopbeard said:
Choosing to fight TPTB aint the same as killing seven bloody people.

Sheez, talk about taking a conclusion to extremes.. that's the most overboard and ridiculous example I've ever seen...





Imagine thinking refusing a vaccine is fighting the power, and actually saying it out loud.

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: viraldrome]
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LOL, I already said I wiped you projection off my face earlietr.

Now I'm tripping real hard I can actually feel your goo on my top lip....

LOLOL. Fighting the power is fighting for the right to say no. Nothing more, nothing less.


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Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not.
--Jac O'keeffe

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Jokeshopbeard] * 2
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Excuse me, that was my projection goo, thank you very much. Get it together mate.

You always have the right to say no. What you want is to face no societal repercussions for doing so.

Don't want to carry government issued ID? Fine. Don't. But don't get mad when they don't let you into the bar.


I'd like to suggest we have a Christmas truce, and talk about various goos in this thread for a couple days.

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
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You mean it's taken the chains off of natural selection and denied mother nature her ability to limit and curtail when a species becomes too numerous for its own good



The concept of "good" cannot sensibly apply to entities with no agency/will. The natural world is "one" such entity. Whether or not humans, being part of the natural world, [can] count as moral agents remains unknown. If the natural world is purely deterministic (lacking in anything like "free will"), then everything humans have done is simply the natural world doing what it does.

I don't pretend to know whether or not determinism is the case, but anyone attempting to use their agency is obligated to act as though they know it isn't.

If you envision the set of all possible universes wherein "will" is a driving force, a "good" action is one that moves you in the direction of whichever universes are preferred among all "agents" of will.

But clearly there is not a simple binary distinction between universes that are deemed to be good and those that are not. Some are better than others. You could take a poll of agents and determine which universe is the least preferred- and thus the "worst"- or the "best".

I am totally speculating here, but my guess is that the universes "more preferred" by "agents of will" contain, on average, less suffering resulting from "unexpected" death or debilitation. Epidemics and pandemics increase the amount of unexpected death and debilitation. Therefore the preferred ("good") universes will contain fewer epidemics and pandemics, and any agent interested in using its will to move towards the "good" universes determines the role it can play in doing so, given its understanding of the rules governing change over time.


It turns out that in our universe, infectious diseases need hosts to spread. The principal role that any agent acting in "good" will plays, therefore, is determining how to not become a host. Complete social isolation notwithstanding, the most powerful and effective way to avoid hosting a disease is to have a strong level of immunity against it. Finally, we know from the collaborative work of thousands of doctors and research scientists that one way to obtain such an immunity is to get one of the mRNA vaccines. It follows, then, that among the set of all agents attempting to move toward the "good" end of the set of universes containing this disease, those that are vaccinated will do so more effectively than those that are not.

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Jokeshopbeard] * 1
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Jokeshopbeard said:
LOL, I already said I wiped you projection off my face earlietr.

Now I'm tripping real hard I can actually feel your goo on my top lip....

LOLOL. Fighting the power is fighting for the right to say no. Nothing more, nothing less.



I fight the power. But I pick different battles than you do.

Being able to say no is not in and of itself desirable. It only becomes desirable when the choice being made involves one set of outcomes projected to be "better" than another set.  Fighting for the right to say no is only noble when one is being compelled to choose something wrong. Getting vaccinated is not wrong. Perhaps it could be, but it turns out that it isn't. There is no inherent reason to defend people's ability to make the wrong choice other than delighting in the misery of others. Crazy as it may sound, quite a few people put quite a bit of the effort- that they could put into making a positive difference in the experience of someone else- into making others feel as miserable as they do.

I am not accusing you of trying to make other people feel miserable on purpose. I believe agents of will that lack (enough of) a (genuine) sense of purpose- an understanding of the roles they play; a clarity about the exercise of their will- inevitably play mind games with themselves as a way of protecting the self from despair and hopelessness (and potential suicide) until they (re)gain one. From about ages 14 to 29 I was one such person, and my belief is admittedly just a generalization of my own experience to everyone. I cannot take even a little bit of credit for either my social disintegration or reintegration. They were seemingly accidental- certainly never intended by me. But I can attest that, so long as I did not feel a genuine purpose for living, most of the energy I thought I was putting into promoting noble causes was actually being put into promoting my sense of self-importance. I could only see this in retrospect, of course.

I can easily see how a post like this would read as a promotion of self-importance to somebody who has put in many hours at the mental gymnasium. All I can tell you is.. it is not. I'm sick of telling my patients day after day after day that their surgery has been postponed. They haven't eaten all day because they were expecting surgery and then the surgeons just put it off to the next day... Not because they're bad people who don't care about my patients, but because they have to as a result of backups caused by covid. The surgical team finally lets me know at 6:00 p.m. that they're putting the surgery off. I have to call nutrition services and get a special plate delivered so that my patient can have one meal that day, because they'll have to be fasting again starting at midnight, on the presumption and hope that the surgeons will get to them that day. I had a guy with a broken leg whose surgery had been put off four days in a row. He was perhaps the most patient man I've ever met.

The worst large scale effects of covid arguably happen for reasons other than literal covid infection.

Those who got vaccinated immediately tend to get upset at those who did not and will not get vaccinated. The reason is simple. Their thought is: if those people had done what I did, this would all be over and neither of us would have anything covid related to complain about. Due to the nature and the location of my work, I have become well practiced at conversing with people who do things that are neither in their own best interests, nor in the interest of others. I also have not suffered financially as a result of this pandemic- indeed, quite the opposite. This has granted me a measure of patience during conversations such as this that some people may not have. Please do not let your derision for people like koods- who you (appear to) see as being mal intended- cloud your judgment. If you care about reducing the suffering of humans, and you want to do something about it, encouraging others to learn about science and engage in protective measures like wearing masks and getting vaccines that have been proven to be effective at preventing disease and of statistically negligible danger, rather than encouraging people to distrust those issuing recommendations related to those protective measures, seems very much like a no-brainer to me.

Truthfully you don't have to defend peoples' right to say, think, or do whatever they want. Everyone has always been able to do that - as long as they have been willing to deal with the consequences of doing it.

Edited by morrowasted (12/25/21 04:45 AM)

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: morrowasted] * 1
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Can Bigfoot get Covid?

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Jokeshopbeard] * 2
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Jokeshopbeard said:
feevers said:
Vaccine technology is the greatest achievement of science and medicine and pretty miraculous when you actually think about it.



You mean it's taken the chains off of natural selection and denied mother nature her ability to limit and curtail when a species becomes too numerous for its own good - as she does for ALL other species on the planet - so that we have been able to grow and divide unchecked and so become our own and every other species on the planets worst nightmare, fucking and pillaging the habitats of all other animals in our unrestrained growth because of our petty, emotional, small minded fear of sickness and death?

Sounds like the worst thing we've ever done to me, but hey ho, horses for courses 'n all.



Lol this is eugenics


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: trees] * 2
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trees said:
Asante said:
JohnnyTripsAlot said:
If unvaxed are the only ones dying then let us take each other out.



Shoot each other in the back of the neck with mutual consent, that way no innocent bystanders get hurt and your "revolutionary suicide" won't tie up health resources.




The bystanders are the unvaxed, and by your logic are not innocent. And they have like .005% chance of dying. These bullets too would have a .005% chance of killing. LOL your logic is so bad and jumbled



You can tell you’re an antivaxxer by the use of completely fabricated numbers.


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: koods]
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Europe just approved a fifth jab hahaha

Merry Christmas guys 🎅 🎄 ❤

And a lil humor for ya



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Edited by JohnnyTripsAlot (12/25/21 02:13 PM)

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: koods]
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koods said:
trees said:
Asante said:
JohnnyTripsAlot said:
If unvaxed are the only ones dying then let us take each other out.



Shoot each other in the back of the neck with mutual consent, that way no innocent bystanders get hurt and your "revolutionary suicide" won't tie up health resources.




The bystanders are the unvaxed, and by your logic are not innocent. And they have like .005% chance of dying. These bullets too would have a .005% chance of killing. LOL your logic is so bad and jumbled



You can tell you’re an antivaxxer by the use of completely fabricated numbers.



Lol fucking who even carez anymore except for you kewdler. The latest concensus on omicron nullfies every page of this thread and nobody needs a vax anymore.  Pandemics over, you can go home now.


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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: JohnnyTripsAlot]
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JohnnyTripsAlot said:
Europe just approved a fifth jab hahaha



2023:

"I got my 14th jab, did you get yours? You all up to date? I am!, make sure you go get your 14th jabs everyone!"

2030

"Did you get your 100th jab yet? Did you? Theyre safe and effective!, i got mine, did you get yours? I hope you got your 100th jab bro, theyre safe and effective"


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Trees is dead, this is his mum posting



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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: trees] * 1
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They approved a fifth type of vaccine. A 2 dose vaccine from a company called novavax.
Not 5 doses.

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: trees] * 3
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Quote:
Europe just approved a fifth jab hahaha



You guys just keep on making shit up like lying is a perfectly normal and acceptable behavior. Kinda like telling someone to fuck off on phone call during an event for kids.

Like I said before. Fucked up values. Low quality people.

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Lol fucking who even carez anymore except for you kewdler. The latest concensus on omicron nullfies every page of this thread and nobody needs a vax anymore.  Pandemics over, you can go home now.




You don’t need the vax for omicron. You need it for delta, which is killing 1500 people a day.



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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

Edited by koods (12/25/21 02:44 PM)

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: koods]
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koods said:
Like I said before. Fucked up values. Low quality people.



Youre showing signs and symptoms of satisfaction shock. A condition characterized by a severe lack of satisfaction.


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