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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: koods]
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From an immunological perspective natural and vaccine immunity are fairly equivalent, but a policy that natural immunity is the same a vaccine is not a good idea. It gives people a reason to get infected. It would be a terrible policy.


Yes, I thought it was something like this


This is one of the main reasons I have issues with the whole vaccination thing

I want to get the whole picture and base my decision on that. Too much information is singled out or left out to support the policy.

This goes for both sides of the argument


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Ach en wee ben ik de klos, met mijn boog schoot ik een albatros...

A philosopher is a person who knows less and less about more and more, until he knows nothing about everything.


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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Tripsurfer] * 2
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The idea is to get the best immunity possible for as many people. Natural immunity may have some advantages. It gives you an immune response to more than just the spike protein. But it fades. If you were infected a year ago with covid, you don’t have much protection from infection now. It will protect you from serious disease. There’s no real downside to getting vaccinated after a covid infection. If you were going to get the very rare side effects from the vaccine, you probably would have first gotten them when you had covid.

If you included previous infection as being vaccinated, how do you prove you were sick? Most people probably never got a health department confirmed test result. Antibody test could be used, but I doubt they are sensitive enough to detect any after a year of so.

We also don’t know how durable natural immunity is. We pay so much attention to vaccine breakthroughs but nobody seems to be keeping track of breakthrough reinfections. We know the vaccines wane after six months, which is why the boosters are rolling out. Theres no reason to think infection based immunity wouldn’t have the same problem. Every coronavirus known is able to repeatedly infect previously infected people. You get a year or two of protection, then you’re vulnerable again. just anecdotally on the Shroomery, there’s been far more people who got covid more than once than there have been vaccinated people getting covid. With boosters rolling out now, I expect breakthrough cases to plummet like they have in Israel, while breakthrough reinfections will start rising dramatically as immunity gained from infection at the beginning of the pandemic disappears.

So even if you’ve been infected, everyone needs to keep their immune response to the virus in a good condition until the pandemic is over. And for the previously infected than means getting vaccinated.


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Tripsurfer]
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Tripsurfer said:
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From an immunological perspective natural and vaccine immunity are fairly equivalent, but a policy that natural immunity is the same a vaccine is not a good idea. It gives people a reason to get infected. It would be a terrible policy.


Yes, I thought it was something like this


This is one of the main reasons I have issues with the whole vaccination thing

I want to get the whole picture and base my decision on that. Too much information is singled out or left out to support the policy.

This goes for both sides of the argument


i mean, you're basically saying we should give the "leopards eating my face" party have a turn at the table and hear them out too, because they might have a valid argument. sure, they might want to just eat, but you know - maybe they can go find something else to snack on.

it's a virus. it doesnt care about you. natural immunity isn't a good idea, ever. you're letting the virus eat your face for no good reason. don't let it eat your face, brah. sometimes there just isn't two sides worth debating over.

there's a reason why the debate is so single sided in favor of vaccination, and this^ is why.

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: koods]
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Here in NL we can get a PCR test and if you test positive this gives you a 6 month clearance (without vaccination) on your Covid passport QR code thingy



I do want to hear from the face-eating leopards, thats not for you to decide.


Being honest goes a long way.

Koods explains it well. So called experts and media pretending natural immunity has no value because that notion complicates the selected narrative is the wrong way to go about this imo


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Ach en wee ben ik de klos, met mijn boog schoot ik een albatros...

A philosopher is a person who knows less and less about more and more, until he knows nothing about everything.


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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Tripsurfer] * 1
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Here in NL we can get a PCR test and if you test positive this gives you a 6 month clearance (without vaccination) on your Covid passport QR code thingy


Honestly that’s fine because there’s a time limit. It recognizes that the infection gave you immunity but it won’t last and you’ll still need to get the vaccine to maintain it.


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Tripsurfer]
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Tripsurfer said:
Here in NL we can get a PCR test and if you test positive this gives you a 6 month clearance (without vaccination) on your Covid passport QR code thingy



I do want to hear from the face-eating leopards, thats not for you to decide.


Being honest goes a long way.

Koods explains it well. So called experts and media pretending natural immunity has no value because that notion complicates the selected narrative is the wrong way to go about this imo


see, no one would care if you just threw yourself at a face-eating leopard. (ok maybe a few would, but overall you'd just wind up on some reality tv show for people to laugh at.) the problem is that it's causing them face-eating leopards to breed like mad and get innocent folk to be face-eaten along the way who are doing their damnest to avoid throwing themselves at the nearest metaphorical fuzzball of claws and death. it's not so funny then, which is why people are mildly upset now, to put it mildly.

and i don't think people would argue about a temporary clearance if you were infected either for a passport. as it stands, even covid vaccine clearance might wind up being temporary and need boosters, though perhaps on a longer timescale once we figure out the best dosage/timing. the data is sort of still rolling in after on vaccine efficacy over time after all.

no one's pretending natural immunity has no value. it's just got a variable value, and requires you to risk your health in doing so. its like rolling a d1-6 on immunity duration instead of just being handed the blueprints to your enemies secret weakness after rolling a d100 - landing a 1 gets you death, with a low roll getting you serious long term health issues. why bother with all that when you can just take the damn blueprints?

i know people want to be suspicious of mainstream media and the rich and all that because they're corrupt and yadayada, but let me point out this - the rich are corrupt, yes. money corrupts like mad - you should be very wary of following the rich on life advice, especially on ethics and morality. and if they tell you schemes on money, chances are its useless or they want you to do something en masse so they can get richer off your actions.

but if it's anything involving their personal health? pay attention. watch what they do when it involves their personal lives at stake, or their close families lives. you may notice that most of the richest are vaccinated. (the ones that don't? they have access to expensive antibody treatments and hospital care thanks to VIP treatment and can afford to risk being infected. you can't.) as for why some politicians make it a political issue still, i can only consider that its a useful tool to distract americans from the many shortcomings of our country right now - the more divided we are, the more bickering that goes on, the less we are united in addressing the actual issues at hand - subliving wages, rampant global warming, lack of affordable housing, inequality, police corruption, corrupt politicians, the rich paying almost no taxes - the list just goes on.

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Psion] * 2
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Imagine thinking Republicans actually have anyone's best interest at heart other than old white money. What percentage of our congress is old, white and rich? Someone should know


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Lead by example, words mean little when your actions don't reflect what you say.

Spread kindness, love, empathy, compassion.

Learn from mistakes. Try and do better. Each day is a new day, try to make it a better one.

Coconut and Avocado is awesome for the skin.

MIND OVER MATTER

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: koods]
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I just wanted to report to Koods and Morrowwasted that I am feeling fine now. Much better. Yesterday and the day before were sort of rough.



Thank goodness. I for sure will be more careful if/when a 4th booster is OK'ed.


But right now I feel like a super immune individual .. However I still wear my N-95 mask in public. Those cheap blue ones don't do enough to stop the wearer from getting infested.



Isn't that right? Like it's mostly to stop the wearer from spreading- not prevent them getting it


Where as the n-95 is better for BOTH reasons...


Am I correct?


Any mask advice guys?

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Fiery]
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My friend who got the moderna at the same time had chills and a fever and felt shitty for a half day. I felt maybe the slightest amount of muscle soreness but barely. My arm isn’t even sore anymore.


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: koods]
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How does Siri know what I am thinking?

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: koods]
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I think it would be close to impossible to infect someone who’s recently had the booster.


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: koods]
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I had a booster and my arm hurts. I also felt lousy for a couple of days.

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Fiery]
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Fiery said:
I just wanted to report to Koods and Morrowwasted that I am feeling fine now. Much better. Yesterday and the day before were sort of rough.



Thank goodness. I for sure will be more careful if/when a 4th booster is OK'ed.


But right now I feel like a super immune individual .. However I still wear my N-95 mask in public. Those cheap blue ones don't do enough to stop the wearer from getting infested.



Isn't that right? Like it's mostly to stop the wearer from spreading- not prevent them getting it


Where as the n-95 is better for BOTH reasons...


Am I correct?


Any mask advice guys?


After 3 vaccines you don't have much to worry about, I mostly just wear a mask because of immunocompromised family and patients I work with. I wear a 3rd party tested kn95, regular n95s get annoying. The blue surgical masks work well but true n95's that are airtight work best, probably overkill though

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: koods]
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koods said:
I think it would be close to impossible to infect someone who’s recently had the booster.



Dang it. I should have had a concert or something lined up. Oh well. I do go out in public a lot and am sometimes around high risk people.. so that's great news

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: feevers]
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feevers said:
After 3 vaccines you don't have much to worry about, I mostly just wear a mask because of immunocompromised family and patients I work with. I wear a 3rd party tested kn95, regular n95s get annoying. The blue surgical masks work well but true n95's that are airtight work best, probably overkill though



That's great news again!


It might be overkill but I want to make sure. Thanks for the info!

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Fiery] * 1
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Saw a guy dressed like a corpse with a sign that said “I did my own research”


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: koods]
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haha!


Ah yes, wow... I didn't even think about Pandemic Halloween costumes.

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: TrancedOutBrah]
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TrancedOutBrah said:
Imagine thinking Republicans actually have anyone's best interest at heart other than old white money.


The evil orange monster & his wealthy racist death cult must be destroyed!

These selfish foul greedy bastards are despicable vile immoral animals.

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: koods]
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koods said:
Saw a guy dressed like a corpse with a sign that said “I did my own research”




Thought this was a Halloween display but the sign had a similar message. Copilot took it from too far back.


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From all I may be, or have been before,
To mingle with the Universe, and feel
What I can ne’er express, yet cannot all conceal.

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: koods]
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koods said:
I think it would be close to impossible to infect someone who’s recently had the booster.


Just give them a few weeks, they'll be able to fall ill again quickly considering the waning effectiveness


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teach your kids to recognize and despise all the propaganda

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