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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Crazy_Horse]
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It’s rabies, I have rabies.

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Crazy_Horse]
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Serious question:

I saw a TV show where this panel of pro-vaxx experts was in a discussion with a guest who didnt want the vaccine. He did have Covid a few months back.


One of the experts said he should still get the vaccine to prevent spreading the desease.

Is this true?

Does vaccination provide better protection against virus transmission than natural immunity?


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Ach en wee ben ik de klos, met mijn boog schoot ik een albatros...

A philosopher is a person who knows less and less about more and more, until he knows nothing about everything.


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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Tripsurfer]
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Nah, it definetely doesn't. They have antibodies, which most reputable sources will tell you are much better than the vaxx. Wonder why these guys in the covid threads talk about getting sick even though they've received their "doses"?


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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Tripsurfer]
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Theoretically yes but not necessarily. The vaccination is supposed to effect your reaction to the virus, no one can guarantee how much it effects that reaction. Transmissibility is going to rely on viral load and severity of symptoms, how much infectious material you have to spread and how effective it is at doing do(how much coughing you're doing, for instance). Saying I should get a vaccination to prevent transmission is like telling an Indian man not to eat with his right hand. Sure he can wash it, but his hand is still gonna get covered in shit. I can't wait until people stop acting like we are at war with a virus.

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Tripsurfer] * 1
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Tripsurfer said:
Serious question:

I saw a TV show where this panel of pro-vaxx experts was in a discussion with a guest who didnt want the vaccine. He did have Covid a few months back.


One of the experts said he should still get the vaccine to prevent spreading the desease.

Is this true?

Does vaccination provide better protection against virus transmission than natural immunity?


getting sick is no guarantee against future infection. getting vaccinated is technically not either, but you are also very much almost guaranteed not to be seriously ill and nigh guaranteed not to die unless you're immunocompromised if you are vaccinated against covid. getting sick the natural way is a risk you take with your health that, with vaccination is essentially nonexistent.

on the other hand, getting vaccinated after becoming sick with covid ramps up your natural immunity against covid drastically - far higher than vaccination or natural immunity alone. i wouldnt say you're immune to future infections, but if you do happen to get sick, you might as well make the best of a bad break by getting vaccinated afterward and ramping up your immunity further with a shot so it's extremely unlikely to happen again in the future.

so it's not that vaccination providing better protection than natural immunity persay - vaccination provides the protection without the risks of natural immunity. but if you get sick via natural immunity, you can then make the best of it by taking a shot afterward to boost that immunity much further.

it's not recommended to do this intentionally however, because this requires you to risk your health in doing so. better to take the shot first, and maybe never have to worry about getting sick in the first place, because your odds of getting sick at all are fairly slim, and often with non-moderna shots wearing off. we know now that it's probably better to space the first and second shot further apart to build a more robust immune response - and i wouldnt be surprised if there's a delta specific shot in the future either, considering how its dominated the world now as a train.

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Crazy_Horse]
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Crazy_Horse said:
It’s rabies, I have rabies.


Definitely rabies.

I'm feeling better today.  Of course I always feel better in the mornings though.  Maybe bourbon is a cure for mono.


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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Tripsurfer]
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Tripsurfer said:
Serious question:

I saw a TV show where this panel of pro-vaxx experts was in a discussion with a guest who didnt want the vaccine. He did have Covid a few months back.


One of the experts said he should still get the vaccine to prevent spreading the desease.

Is this true?

Does vaccination provide better protection against virus transmission than natural immunity?



The fact is that one exposure (illness or vaxx) is not enough, to be fully resistant you probably need 4 or 5 exposures. The question is: do you want them to be vaccinations or infections? I'd hate to opt for 5x Covid, with its longterm conseqwuences that worsen each subsequent time.


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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Asante]
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Thanks for the replies

So its not neccesarily a case of vaccine vs natural immunity but whatever gives the best protection against infection also offers the best protection against transmission


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Ach en wee ben ik de klos, met mijn boog schoot ik een albatros...

A philosopher is a person who knows less and less about more and more, until he knows nothing about everything.


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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Tripsurfer]
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You have to get infected to have natural immunity so obviously the vaccine is better. 0% of those who got immunity naturally have avoided transmission


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: koods]
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If virus particles were computer viruses, vaccine=firewall, computer system-immune system.

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: koods]
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The point in the tv program was that a person who has aquired natural immunity should also get vaccinated to be safe for other people

I have natural immunity because I was infected and sick

Am I now more likely to infect other people should I contract Covid a second time, than a person who is fully vacinated and contracts covid for the first time?


To me it seems it that whatever protects you best, also offers the best protection against you infecting other people



So in terms of being safe for yourself and other people

1 Hybrid immunity: natural immunity + vaccination

2 Natural immunity or full vaccination

3 Partial vaccination

4 No vaccination


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Ach en wee ben ik de klos, met mijn boog schoot ik een albatros...

A philosopher is a person who knows less and less about more and more, until he knows nothing about everything.


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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Gorlax]
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Gorlax said:


If virus particles were computer viruses, vaccine=firewall, computer system-immune system.


What?


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: koods]
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Quote:
am I now more likely to infect other people should I contract Covid a second time, than a person who is fully vacinated and contracts covid for the first time?


The immunity from infection is extremely variable. If you have a mild infection your immunity may only last a few months. Everyone gets better immunity after getting vaccinated, including those with previous infections so as a matter of public policy and health policy the previously infected should be vaccinated.

From an immunological perspective natural and vaccine immunity are fairly equivalent, but a policy that natural immunity is the same a vaccine is not a good idea. It gives people a reason to get infected. It would be a terrible policy.


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

Edited by koods (10/29/21 06:27 PM)

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: koods] * 3
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When the fly leaves the scale he goes into the brick wall and comes out new as a blue virus.  If the OG virus goes into your computer then he turns into a tiny boxer that weighs the same as the fly.  Sometimes the tiny boxer goes into the computer but we're not sure what happens then.  Duh?  Do you even read, brah?


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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: schmutzen]
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Thanks for clearing that up. I’m still confused if the vaccine blocks 6/7 viral particles then how does that lead to increased weight of the fly (aka viral load) 🤔


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: koods]
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The more blue particles the more chances of red particles.

The real question is are you going to blue particle or red particle yourself?


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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: doubleD]
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doubleD said:
Sorry high post count drug forum user, nature always wins.


We are nature too

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: morrowasted] * 1
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morrowasted said:
doubleD said:
Sorry high post count drug forum user, nature always wins.


We are nature too


something a lot of people forget - i blew my parents away when i pointed out that technically, things like drugs we created, and GMOs physically exist and have a presence. therefore they are a part of the natural universe, and are part of nature, and are natural. this is especially true because they were created by humans, which were created by natural evolutionary processes, and therefore are simply elaborate tools we made.

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Psion]
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Letting nature win means everybody has four kids just hoping one or two survive to adulthood, which only last until you’re about 40 when all your teeth have rotted away and you die of an abscess because nobody invented antibiotics.


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: koods]
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This booster ain’t doing shit. My arm is barely sore and I’m not magnetic


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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