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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: koods]
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koods said:
The media doesn’t dictate who wins. Nobody received more negative coverage across the board than Donald Trump


Donald Trump's not establishment, so the establishment hates him.

koods said:
It’s just an excuse that makes you feel better, so you can avoid facing the reality that sanders failed.


Sanders would have EASILY won if the establishment media were behind him.  It's ridiculous how much the establishment media overlooked Biden's decline, while telling us that Bernie's helping of the poor and middle class would be bad.

You believe whatever the establishment media tells you to believe, and that's been the case for as long as I can remember.

koods said:
Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
What is it about Biden that I should like besides the fact that he's not Trump?


Biden not being trump is enough


I knew it.  :cookiemonster:


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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 2
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
koods said:
The media doesn’t dictate who wins. Nobody received more negative coverage across the board than Donald Trump


Donald Trump's not establishment, so the establishment hates him.


Yeah, the establishment are real upset over the trillions of dollars Trump signed off on giving them while the working class were afforded effectively nothing


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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: Brian Jones]
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Brian Jones said:
Not being Trump works well enough for me.


So no good reason to vote for Biden except "not being Trump"?

Brian Jones said:
President Biden won't be making too many decisions on his own. The people who influence him wont be suffering from cognitive decline, and that will result in significantly better leadership than we have now.


Biden's establishment though, and people who influence Biden won't be giving us ANYTHING that might cost the elites more money.

Brian Jones said:
One other minor issue. The administration will be working to preserve women's reproductive rights, not eliminate them. As far as I can tell, that issue has been of zero concern to the people who call themselves progressives on this website.


Though I care about that, it won't impact the pocketbooks of the elites.  That's the stuff they give us to fight over as they continue to rob us blind.


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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: Tantrika]
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Tantrika said:
Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Donald Trump's not establishment, so the establishment hates him.


Yeah, the establishment are real upset over the trillions of dollars Trump signed off on giving them while the working class were afforded effectively nothing




They're not upset about that.  That's why they'd gladly take Trump over Bernie.  But they'd much rather have Biden.


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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Tantrika said:
Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Donald Trump's not establishment, so the establishment hates him.


Yeah, the establishment are real upset over the trillions of dollars Trump signed off on giving them while the working class were afforded effectively nothing




As long as he's not taking money away from the establishment, they'll happily take Trump over Sanders.


:rolleyes:

Trump is as establishment as Biden, whether or not Bernie is better for the working class than either of them

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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: Tantrika]
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Tantrika said:
Trump is as establishment as Biden, whether or not Bernie is better for the working class than either of them


Trump panders to the rich, but he won't always do their bidding as Biden would.


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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 4
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Tantrika said:
Trump is as establishment as Biden, whether or not Bernie is better for the working class than either of them


Trump panders to the rich, but he won't always do their bidding as Biden would.


Keep telling yourself whatever you have to in order to put someone on a pedestal while he shits all over the working class

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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: Tantrika]
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:dudewtf:

I do NOT put Trump on a pedestal.  :puke:

Just because I refuse to make believe things about Trump doesn't mean I like the guy at all.  I just don't like make believe as much as others.


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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
:dudewtf:

I do NOT put Trump on a pedestal.  :puke:

Just because I refuse to make believe things about Trump doesn't mean I like the guy at all.  I just don't like make believe as much as others.


You are busy make believing that Trump is anti-establishment
after he has shoveled the wealth of the nation into the pockets of the establishment and left the working class with crumbs

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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: Tantrika] * 1
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Yes, I realize that Trump generally sides with the wealthy over the working class.  But Trump isn't playing along with some of the world domination games the neocons are pushing.


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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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I've got something to make the trump supporters weep



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¿Check out some art m8?


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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Yes, I realize that Trump generally sides with the wealthy over the working class.  But Trump isn't playing along with some of the world domination games the neocons are pushing.


Keep making those excuses
keep trying to put Trump on the anti-establishment pedestal
keep make believing positive things about him because he is marginally less negative in your eyes than the other establishment guy

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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: twighead]
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twighead said:
I've got something to make the trump supporters weep




I don't know WoW well enough to know which race Obama is replacing QQ

idontgetthismeme ;-;

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Tantrika] * 1
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This here is getting interesting.


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"If it doesn't work, you can always hit him with it."


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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Tantrika said:
Trump is as establishment as Biden, whether or not Bernie is better for the working class than either of them


Trump panders to the rich, but he won't always do their bidding as Biden would.


You’re delusional. Trump hands over every policy to congressional Republicans. Look at the tax bill.


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“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: koods] * 1
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So no good reason to vote for Biden except "not being Trump"?



Anyone but trump is a perfectly legitimate stance, especially after this last week. If you are a progressive and don’t do everything possible to get someone like trump out of office, you don’t really care about progressive issues.


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
koods said:
The media doesn’t dictate who wins. Nobody received more negative coverage across the board than Donald Trump


Donald Trump's not establishment, so the establishment hates him.

koods said:
It’s just an excuse that makes you feel better, so you can avoid facing the reality that sanders failed.


Sanders would have EASILY won if the establishment media were behind him.  It's ridiculous how much the establishment media overlooked Biden's decline, while telling us that Bernie's helping of the poor and middle class would be bad.

You believe whatever the establishment media tells you to believe, and that's been the case for as long as I can remember.

koods said:
Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
What is it about Biden that I should like besides the fact that he's not Trump?


Biden not being trump is enough


I knew it.  :cookiemonster:


You’re all over the place. Trump isn’t establishment and the establishment media (including fox) was against him during the primaries in 2016. He still won. In fact, I bet a lot of people would say that having the entire media against him was a reason why they supported him.


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: susurrador]
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susurrador said:


This here is getting interesting.


You guys are still talking about Russia. Time to move on. Nobody cares.


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: koods]
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koods said:
You’re all over the place. Trump isn’t establishment and the establishment media (including fox) was against him during the primaries in 2016. He still won. In fact, I bet a lot of people would say that having the entire media against him was a reason why they supported him.


Trump wasn't establishment in 2016 when he was proposing uplifting the working class and requiring companies to bring back jobs
Trump is establishment in 2020 as over the course of his presidency he has repeatedly thrown the working class under the bus to pander to the wealthy elite

in my eyes, you and Falcon are more on the same page than you realize
You treat anyone as better than Trump, while Falcon treats anyone (read: Trump) as better than Biden

both are clear garbage and neither deserve defenses
and voting for either is going to have the same outcome for the working class
Trump just has the additional negatives for other minorities, while Biden has the additional negative of cementing and normalizing what Trump has done rather than seeking to make sweeping changes

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: koods]
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koods said:
You guys are still talking about Russia. Time to move on. Nobody cares.


now that biden is prez

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