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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: feldman114]
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feldman114 said:
Wrong, sir. I pulled 5 years right out of my ass.

Wasn’t trying to be specific - just thought it’s ludicrous to say the US economy exploded under Trump, seeing as how he had nothing to do with the stats that actually improved. It may not be 5 years, but it’s not a few months either.

Those are good points about sentiment, but that doesn’t increase spending by any noticeable amount in the long term. Plus, It’s not a change the president implements; it’s a reaction to him being elected. So how can you credit him with it?


Where / how the economic growth originates is a very good question. Someone with a better grasp of economics may want to chip in but here is my USD0.02

I believe the initial impulse is consumer confidence which predicts increased spending. Then the Walmart guys start hiring more staff to deal with the (anticipated) extra business and place more orders. By the time the orders reach the suppliers the wave of optimism gives them a reason to buy more plant which further bumps up consumer spending - this time driven by the manufacturing staff. The increased spending anticipated by Walmart then becomes a reality, justifying the investment they had enacted. This is a short/medium term loop but long term what matters is how efficient the economy is in terms of regulation, overheads, compliance costs etc.

Trump played his cards well (excuse the pun) all along. First he created a business-friendly perception which consumers bought (oupss) to get things going. Then he cut the red tape to create a more sustainable growth. The silly, repetitive, relentless and seemingly redundant tweets about the jobs and GDP are actually a way of keeping the consumer confidence up to keep the cruise liner turning.

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Metoo]
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How long will it take CNN to start implying that Trump was indirectly responsible for the loss of the Ukrainian plane?

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Metoo] * 2
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Im pretty sure the missles fired that night were in response to his soelamani hit...


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
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Sulfurshelfsean said:
Im pretty sure the miasles fired that night were in response to his soelamani hit...


My prediction is:
"The airliner was lost as Iran was braced for the anticipated impetuous, irresponsible, knee-jerk military response which we have come to expect from Trump"

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: feldman114]
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feldman114 said:
Metoo said:
My suspicion is you chose 5 years because that is how long - roughly - it took Obama to turn the economy which conveniently supports your ideological position...


Wrong, sir. I pulled 5 years right out of my ass.


I think it's generally accepted that the economy for a president's first year in office is attributed to the previous adminisation, then it's attributed to the current administration after that.

Why?


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: JohnRainy]
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JohnRainy said:
Now Trump is supposedly on board with importing cheaper drugs from Canada as a way to lower drug prices.  Canada doesn't exactly have a surplus to supply a country that's 10 times bigger, and there will be pressure to restrict exports that would affect it's own supply and domestic prices.

It's a good plan.  It won't work so drug prices will stay high, and Trump can pretend he gives a fuck about people who cannot afford prescriptions.

Trump proposes rule for importing prescription drugs from Canada



Well.. This could work positively for Canada, if they start mass sourcing meds in China and India, theres billions if pharma $$ to be made for them off this.

Canada can greatly step up their pharma imports to meet added demand.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Asante]
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Canada imports a significant portion of America's drug demand and sells it to them.  Could that actually happen?

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: JohnRainy]
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https://www.foxnews.com/media/cnn-susan-hennessey-crossfire-iran-ukrainian-airplane

The CNN nonsense has started

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Asante] * 2
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If we had a tax increase instead of a cut, the Fed wouldn’t have had to raise interest rates to counter the infusion of cash into the economy. The end result would have been the same, except we’d be seeing $400 billion deficits instead of $1000 billion deficits. A tax cut to juice the economy when it’s already running at full speed is moronic.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: koods]
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From Buttigieg:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/buttigieg-backlash-americas-iran-downed-airplane

This is surreal...

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: JohnRainy]
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JohnRainy said:
Canada imports a significant portion of America's drug demand and sells it to them.  Could that actually happen?



With a complete numbnut in office, why yes.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Metoo] * 1
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Well trump is entirely responsible for instigating all this shit.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: koods]
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koods said:
Well trump is entirely responsible for instigating all this shit.


Which means Iran is not - correct?

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Metoo] * 1
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Yes. Iran was abiding by the agreement they made with the west. Then trump had a hissy fit, violated then canceled the agreement and hit Iran with crippling sanctions. Trump created tensions for no reason except he didn’t like the deal because Obama. He cancelled the deal and then had zero strategy to negotiate something else.


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: koods]
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Quote:
"Innocent civilians are now dead because they were caught in the middle of an unnecessary and unwanted military tit for tat,"


That's PB's tweet.

FOXNEWS then has something about how this 'middle' they were caught in doesn't exist.  It's just all Iran, Iran, Iran.

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: koods] * 2
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koods said:
Yes. Iran was abiding by the agreement they made with the west. Then trump had a hissy fit, violated then canceled the agreement and hit Iran with crippling sanctions. Trump created tensions for no reason except he didn’t like the deal because Obama. He cancelled the deal and then had zero strategy to negotiate something else.


I am speechless - Iran have no responsibility for shooting down a civilian airliner in their own airspace. Heard that CNN have some openings for opinion writers?

Edited by Metoo (01/09/20 05:27 PM)

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: koods] * 5
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This sounds exactly like health care. Trump attempts to dismantle ACA, says he has a better plan that will benefit everyone. After 3+ years he has no plan.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Brian Jones]
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Brian Jones said:
This sounds exactly like health care. Trump attempts to dismantle ACA, says he has a better plan that will benefit everyone. After 3+ years he has no plan.


His plan was to rebrand and repackage ACA, and he succeeded.
Just google “trumpcare” if you think he didn’t.

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Metoo] * 1
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No Iran fucked up bad, but this situation exists because Donald trump chose this path. Iran’s response to trump was calculated and reasonable. Then they blew it. They need to just admit what happened, appologize and make restitutions.


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

Edited by koods (01/09/20 05:35 PM)

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Metoo] * 1
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Metoo said:
koods said:
Yes. Iran was abiding by the agreement they made with the west. Then trump had a hissy fit, violated then canceled the agreement and hit Iran with crippling sanctions. Trump created tensions for no reason except he didn’t like the deal because Obama. He cancelled the deal and then had zero strategy to negotiate something else.


I am speechless - Iran have no responsibility for shooting down a civilian airliner in their own airspace. Heard that CNN have some openings for opinion writers?


He was responding the question of Iran's responsibility for instigating this shit, not if Iran shares responsibility for shooting down the plane.

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