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Re: First time grow with spawn bags and bulk substrate. *DELETED* [Re: LtLurker]
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Edited by Spiritualscience (10/03/19 12:42 AM)

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Re: First time grow with spawn bags and bulk substrate. [Re: Spiritualscience]
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Tom,

Sorry for blowing up your post talking to these guys. I got agitated because they did the same thing to me, and I knew what you would go through when they did it to you.

Those greenish spots don't look good, as I was the first one to say. I doubt it is trich, considering there is no texture and they have not spread at all. It will be interesting to see how it turns out. It is surprising that they have not spread in so many days. You can relax in knowing that you will get a very decent first flush and have several great adventures as a result. You had success. Maybe not perfect success, but you have fruits. That is success. 

I would still only open the tub outside. Once you are finished, I would clean the grow area with bleach everywhere and get an air purifier to run in the room for a while. I would not leave any holes open on the tub, because if that is mold then the spores will be released in the room. If the tub needs to breath more you can just put single tape on the bottom and top. At least you are not leaving open holes. Of course, I am not experienced on having mold in a tub, and I don't know if the MP tape would keep the spores from getting into the room. I am sure it would majorly slow them down though.

Edited by Spiritualscience (10/10/19 12:41 AM)

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Re: First time grow with spawn bags and bulk substrate. [Re: Spiritualscience]
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Sorry for the unnecessary cursing and getting irritated. I went back and changed some of the language :wink:


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Re: First time grow with spawn bags and bulk substrate. [Re: Spiritualscience]
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Spiritualscience said:
Tom, you can fan dry them for about 24 hours and then stick them in your desiccant  container. You don't want to put fresh mushrooms in the desiccant  Container unless you have a boatload of desiccant.


Tom--"JD" obviously has your ear for some reason, I can't imagine why. He's so consistently full of shit. Air drying/dessicants are no match for a dehydrator. You need to dehydrate as quickly as possible, with the temp at max (most dehydros max ~160F), to preserve potency: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25956433#25956433.

Spiritual has one successful grow under his belt, and it was an accident. He put spores to grain, which is not recommended and has a very low chance of success. Chard and I are both pretty new, but I have about 5 successful grows since Feb, Lurker has had many over 2 years.  Any one of us has more experience than Spiritual.

All 3 of us are telling you pretty much the same things. Spiritual is telling you pretty much completely different things. Why you would put any trust in what one new guy says, vs the combined advice of multiple growers with proven track records, is beyond me.

I'm not saying you should exclusively not trust Spiritual, you should not trust ANY one person whose advice runs counter to the collective experience of the community. Be careful who you listen to, and keep your bullshit detector on.

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Re: First time grow with spawn bags and bulk substrate. [Re: Spiritualscience]
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Spiritualscience said:
My advice comes from doing nothing half ass. Before I started growing, I researched for months.


Yet you still started with spores to grain...:rolleyes:

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Re: First time grow with spawn bags and bulk substrate. [Re: badsponge]
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Spiritualscience said:
Sorry for the unnecessary cursing and getting irritated. I went back and changed some of the language :wink:


You still haven't changed the part where you called Chard a "cock sucker." Weird.

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Re: First time grow with spawn bags and bulk substrate. [Re: badsponge]
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:whathesaid: You made all newby moves and didn't actually grow. You shot spore juice into a bag someone else made. The ego you have over 1 spore jockey run blows my mind.

Frankly i don't believe your count. You have a few nice pics in your thread with some fatties and a decent count(especially the first harvest), but no where near 7oz. I think you either made mistakes, or are exaggerating.


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Re: First time grow with spawn bags and bulk substrate. [Re: LtLurker]
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Can anyone recommend a good food dehydrator? 

Hopefully this simple request won't exacerbate the ongoing fight.

Thanks.

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Re: First time grow with spawn bags and bulk substrate. [Re: tomcards]
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tomcards said:
Can anyone recommend a good food dehydrator? 

Hopefully this simple request won't exacerbate the ongoing fight.

Thanks.


:lol: sorry bout that man. any dehydrator. most cheap ones without any settings will run around 160F, that's perfect.


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Re: First time grow with spawn bags and bulk substrate. [Re: LtLurker]
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Lurker,

I heard that 95 degrees was an optimal temp.  Not true?


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Re: First time grow with spawn bags and bulk substrate. [Re: tomcards]
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not true. hotter is better. drying them faster locks in potency. The upper limit on temp would be burning them.


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Re: First time grow with spawn bags and bulk substrate. [Re: tomcards]
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tomcards said:
Can anyone recommend a good food dehydrator? 



I got this one and it was great: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0090WOCN0?aaxitk=XxOTfd.FUCRDfviDskTmew&pd_rd_i=B0090WOCN0&pf_rd_p=44fc3e0f-4b9e-4ed8-b33b-363a7257163d&hsa_cr_id=7181248230001&sb-ci-n=asinImage&sb-ci-v=https%3A%2F%2Fm.media-amazon.com%2Fimages%2FI%2F71Cisxe2TjL.jpg&sb-ci-a=B0090WOCN0

It comes with 2 screens, but I recommend a couple more: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00004W4V8/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I say "was," because I ran it continuously for months and burned it out. I'm expanding my shroompire, so I got a bigger one to replace it.

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Re: First time grow with spawn bags and bulk substrate. [Re: badsponge]
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Guys,

I ordered this dehydrator.  It will arrive on Saturday.  Meanwhile, I'm fan drying and using my desiccant box.

https://www.amazon.com/Dehydrator-LoyoLa-Multi-Function-Adjustable-Thermostat/dp/B07QRQF59F/ref=asc_df_B07QRQF59F/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=366315314860&hvpos=1o2&hvnetw=g&hvrand=11058182672551201273&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9031939&hvtargid=aud-798931705416:pla-813424774013&psc=1&tag=&ref=&adgrpid=73045851781&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvadid=366315314860&hvpos=1o2&hvnetw=g&hvrand=11058182672551201273&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9031939&hvtargid=aud-798931705416:pla-813424774013

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Re: First time grow with spawn bags and bulk substrate. [Re: tomcards]
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Nice! However, if it were me, I'd put the fruits in a paper bag and in the fridge till the dehydro arrives.

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Re: First time grow with spawn bags and bulk substrate. [Re: badsponge]
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Badsponge,

I know that putting them in a paper bag in the fridge will preserve them and minimize contamination, but it won't dry them to the degree that my desiccant box will. 

Is there any potential harm in leaving them in the desiccant box until I receive the dehydrator? The box contains three 40 gram desiccant canisters plus about 200 grams of loose silica and alumna desiccant.  The fruit rest on a wire screen suspended above the desiccant.

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Re: First time grow with spawn bags and bulk substrate. [Re: tomcards]
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Congrats on the fruits!!!

I seen something in that pic but hard to tell. Everyone says "trich" but it could be penicillium sp,  Aspergillus sp  or Trichoderma sp etc. The large amount of the yellow myc piss means it's making metabolites to battle bacteria and other competitors. I would leave the piss.

Some times cube myc will grow over the contam to where it looks like it beat it but it's just holding it back until the myc weakens and will take over. Shatakie and Oysters are another story, they will kick the shit out of contams. But you seen the green which is spored and want to get that out of your grow area ASAP. If this is your only tub fruit the shit out of it and lets see what happens then clean up later

Pleurotus taking out Trich

https://www.reddit.com/r/mycology/comments/1si8a4/pleurotus_mycelium_vs_trichoderma_timelapse/

Ever seen Pleurotus (Osyer) myc piss? it's bright orange!
I have had this happen a few times.


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Re: First time grow with spawn bags and bulk substrate. [Re: murderlabz]
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Guys,

Fruit continues to grow and pins continue to pop.  The fruit averages about 4 inches tall, with 3/4 inch stems and 2 1/2 inch caps. 

The substrate is drying and beginning to pull away from the tub walls.  I closed the bottom holes with tape to maintain moisture.

I still have some fruit drying in my desiccant box.  Per Badsponge's recommendation, I'm putting newly harvested fruit in a paper bag in the fridge.

I look forward to receiving the dehydrator tomorrow.

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Re: First time grow with spawn bags and bulk substrate. [Re: tomcards] * 2
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Here's a photo from this morning, prior to harvesting.


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Re: First time grow with spawn bags and bulk substrate. [Re: tomcards]
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tomcards said:
I know that putting them in a paper bag in the fridge will preserve them and minimize contamination, but it won't dry them to the degree that my desiccant box will.


I know. The point of the fridge is to slow the breakdown of enzymes till your dehydro arrives. It would be better to keep them cool for a few days, then put them in dehydro, so they dehydrate quickly at high temp. Drying them slowly with desiccants mean they spend more time at room temp losing potency. If I get an uneven harvest, I'll bag/fridge some fruits for a couple days till I get enough dehydrate them all at once.

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Re: First time grow with spawn bags and bulk substrate. [Re: tomcards]
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tomcards said:
Here's a photo from this morning, prior to harvesting.




lol, way to grow Tom! :dancer: you going for more flushes, right? :mushroomtwirl:


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