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MrCraggles


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Dehydrator potency blackout 1
#25956230 - 04/26/19 07:44 AM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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So my usual dose of penis envy (fan dried over three days) was 6-8g. I took 10g and experienced 'ego death' (if us lot can make up our minds on a damn definition!!)
Anyway after reading that my drying methods were totally inadequate I invested in a cheap dehydrator.
I was cynical over the extent to which the potency would be increased.
So yesterday I took my usual 8g penis envy in a tea.
I remember not feeling very good very shortly after.
Then I blacked out for around two hours.
When I came around everywhere was bright green with intricate geometric shapes covering everything. I was very disoriented and confused. It was unpleasant.
So here I am eating my words.
Be careful guys! The potency increase is phenomenal!
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Re: Dehydrator potency blackout [Re: MrCraggles] 1
#25956241 - 04/26/19 07:52 AM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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The potency didn’t increase you just ate more since they were properly dried. Good job!
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Re: Dehydrator potency blackout [Re: MrCraggles]
#25956246 - 04/26/19 07:53 AM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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I can't even imagine what 8g of PE would do.
I am on a limit of 1g-1.2g of APE at the moment and that puts me in a different dimension. I feel like 2g-2.5g will be enough for me for an ego death experience.
Did you experience any headaches afterwards?
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Re: Dehydrator potency blackout [Re: LRK] 1
#25956267 - 04/26/19 08:02 AM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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No headaches here but everyone’s different make sure you pace yourself with this medicine
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Re: Dehydrator potency blackout [Re: Tornarsuk]
#25956280 - 04/26/19 08:10 AM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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No headaches but I've had them before.
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Re: Dehydrator potency blackout [Re: MrCraggles]
#25956293 - 04/26/19 08:19 AM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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I bet those headaches are dehydrated/hunger. Just a theory without evidence.
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Re: Dehydrator potency blackout [Re: Failboat]
#25956297 - 04/26/19 08:22 AM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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Tornarsuk said: The potency didn’t increase you just ate more since they were properly dried. Good job! 
I disagree. It makes sense that they'd maintain more potency plus I still always got them cracker dry in front of a fan - they always snapped with ease.Quote:
Quirkmeister92 said: I bet those headaches are dehydrated/hunger. Just a theory without evidence.
I love a good theory without evidence - like gravity, or that the earth is round or evolution!
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Re: Dehydrator potency blackout [Re: MrCraggles]
#25956305 - 04/26/19 08:29 AM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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It makes sense but is not the case as with many things, dying them Properly will get rid of that last bit of moisture on the inside of the mushroom also every mushroom has a different pre determined level of psilocybin through their genetics so maybe you just had some good ones eh?
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Re: Dehydrator potency blackout [Re: Tornarsuk]
#25956381 - 04/26/19 09:11 AM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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IMO the drying tek that gives me the greatest results is a 2 stage drying 1st course drying over a screen and fan 1xday. And then buy a bucket of damp rid and and some 99cent paper bags and put your yeild in bag or bags and check them the next day at which point you shoukd have some wetness on your paper bag, switch em out with fresh paper bags, rinse repeat may not have to, the damp rid container with secure layers of paper bags can be used as and extended temporary storage container for them. Once again IMO the fruit bodys seem to "cure" "crimple" "dry up" better with the slower and steadier draw of moisture and without the force of heat.
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Re: Dehydrator potency blackout [Re: Grungeman17]
#25956400 - 04/26/19 09:17 AM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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The longer it takes to dry your; mush the more degraded the actives become. If you are going to consume immediately or want the most potentcy then simply use fresh. If you dry them, dehydrate them, this is the exact purpose of dehydrators.
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Re: Dehydrator potency blackout [Re: Failboat]
#25956432 - 04/26/19 09:29 AM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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that's why we use desiccant no loss in potency if there is no heat
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Re: Dehydrator potency blackout [Re: Grungeman17] 2
#25956433 - 04/26/19 09:30 AM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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Grungeman17 said: IMO the drying tek that gives me the greatest results is a 2 stage drying 1st course drying over a screen and fan 1xday. And then buy a bucket of damp rid and and some 99cent paper bags and put your yeild in bag or bags and check them the next day at which point you shoukd have some wetness on your paper bag, switch em out with fresh paper bags, rinse repeat may not have to, the damp rid container with secure layers of paper bags can be used as and extended temporary storage container for them. Once again IMO the fruit bodys seem to "cure" "crimple" "dry up" better with the slower and steadier draw of moisture and without the force of heat.
Just going to leave this here..
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Tylershatto5 said: i have a dehydrator i did it to help people who dont have one and it says on the box itll hold 2x the moisure as the weight and it weighs 9.8 ounces and theres maybe 50 grams wet in it not to mention all them were fan dried but 2 large caps so im sure its gonna work but i do think the dehydrator effects potency bc theres heat involved and anything over 90 degrees in my opinion has an effect bc i have ate fresh and dried and its just an experiment so no loss all gain
well you're very misinformed
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23541779
one of the biggest things we have to always teach noobs is that heat actually protects potency by killing the enzymes that oxidize the active chemicals. and it dries them the fastest, fast drying = potency retention
Cronicr has put cubensis mushrooms in a pressure cooker and they still remained just as strong as the ones that were not cooked
psilocybin and psilocin don't even melt until well over 300F but in room temperature will readily degrade if the mushrooms are still wet on the inside.
if you don't use a food dehydrator you would be far better off putting them in the fridge to dehydrate over the course of a few days.
I always make my mushrooms into tea. I boil them for 10 minutes in 212F water and then strain them with a french press. they hit hard as fuck, water is the best solute for the actives and gives the best extraction.
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Tylershatto5 said: dont use a house hold heater especially if u dont kno how hot it gets thats like saying put them in the oven
the oven is fine if you set it as low as it goes, leave the door cracked, and point a fan at it.
psilocybe cubensis is usually 91-93% water in my experience. 100g wet will weigh about 7-9g dried up
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bodhisatta said: I argue that heat will "fix" the mushroom. That is all the enzymes responsible for degrading the mushroom are inactivated by 160-170F heat.
Oxidation reactions involve moving electrons not necessarily diatomic oxygen molecules in the air. Steel doesn't readily rust for instance unless you get it wet. Faster dry more locking in of potency
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amidogen said: dehydrators with heat lock in potency. Potency loss is largely attributed to degradation of psilocybin by enzymes in the mushrooms (not heat)
Sorry but this is bad information!! Oxidation is the biggest factor in degradation, but when you also add heat this process is accelerated! Heat does NOT lock in potency. LESS exposure to oxygen BEST helps maintain potency. With that being said, heat does kind of help keep the potency but ONLY because the shrooms have less exposure to oxygen which is most detrimental!

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Mad Season said: Oxidation just means the exchange of electrons. Sometimes this is done with oxygen, but not in the case of psilocin. It's actually oxidizing because of hydrogen [H+] the air is actually mostly H2, O2, N2, etc, which in natural state are pretty stable and shouldn't cause too much potency loss, if at all. Enzymes breaking things down are where the OH- comes from. Enzymes are activated due to water, so yes water is partially the reason why it's breaking down. Although it's actually because of the enzymes. Enzymes also can be denatured at temps past 140. So realistically dehydrators turned to max are the absolute best at preserving potency. They denature the enzymes as well as dry the fruits to cracker dry ASAP.
The water in the air can start reactivating enzymes if its exposed to open air long enough. So yeah water is the reason, and not at all O2. Here's a cool pic of the oxidation, notice there's less hydrogen:
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Edmunter said: Oxygen and heat will quickly degrade psilocin into ineffective compounds. Psilocin is so sensitive to oxygen, that when picking mushrooms, the stems quickly bruise bluish to dark black.
Did you like not read the post above this? Let me break this shit down.
Psilocin oxidation involves the exchange of electrons. In this case hydrogen NOT oxygen.
Psilocin has a melting point of 350°F. Heat DOESN'T break it down. Actually the heat in a dehydrator (140+) helps maintain potency by denaturing enzymes (the reducing agents in this case)
Also show me the proof that 5mg of psilocin per 10g of fruit body is causing the entire fruit body to turn blue/black. Hint: mushrooms contain a quinone, a pigment that turns blue when digested by enzymes. It also has an alternating double and single bond that trap the wavelengths used to determine why they bruise
Honestly getting tired of saying this shit over and over again.
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Mad Season said: It still hasn't been scientifically proven what causes bruising, but the wavelengths caught are the same as a quinone, and it's in mushrooms, they just haven't actually proven quinones are the cause of it. This shit comes from the 60s research. I really can't find the article on the 60s research right now. I'm in a rush, but here's the thread we really hashed out bruising, psilocin/potency, and links and what not to other bruising mushrooms, and how various pigments getting digested by enzymes cause them to bruise.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23667461#23667461
This has been very thoroughly discussed lol.
Also proven because you can leave fruits in a dehydrator for 48+ hours and see no potency loss.
All this was found using the search function properly.
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Re: Dehydrator potency blackout [Re: Mad Season]
#25956444 - 04/26/19 09:38 AM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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Is APE seriously that fucning strong? A gram can really have that much potential...?
I've got some Uncut PE on agar now. But I dont know much of a difference in potency there is between PE&APE
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Re: Dehydrator potency blackout [Re: Mad Season]
#25956448 - 04/26/19 09:39 AM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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thank you for bringing me up do date i was going off outdated information i do apoligize
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Re: Dehydrator potency blackout [Re: Mad Season]
#25956473 - 04/26/19 10:02 AM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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Nice post Mad Season, some good info.
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@Vibe_Enthusiast Not sure how PE and APE compare from what I've read they seem similar. But I can tell you that APE is much stronger than normal cubes IME.
I've had 2g of normal cubes before and it was nothing in comparison to 1g of APE. And it's not just me my wife experienced the same.
Don't know if it is just genetics with the ones I have but if I cut them open they bruise blue to the extent it looks almost black.
I will hopefully have some P. Galindoi mushrooms in the next couple of months and will be able to compare then to a different specie that is apparently also stronger than cubes
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Re: Dehydrator potency blackout [Re: Failboat]
#25956507 - 04/26/19 10:24 AM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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Thank god for Mad Season. A true hero of mycology.
And, as for the blackout... yeah. I had that happen to me once. Super disappointing. I woke up after an 89g (wet!) dose and everything was just shape-shifting in front of my eyes at rapid rates, but I felt "sober". It was really just annoying.
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Ive hit L3.5-4 on .8gs of regular PE. Its a different trip too then regular cubes. Its almost like a lysergic energy vs the sedating mush feeling I get with all other cubes.
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