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Re: First time grow with spawn bags and bulk substrate. [Re: LtLurker]
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LtLurker said:
First i would move that tub out of your main grow area to a secondary spot to keep spore load in your grow low.

For finishing off fruits- depends how far they are. Established pins have a chance. You can salt cover the trich in an attempt to slow it's growth and sporulation. but it will still grow exponentially and is in much more of the substrate than you can see. You have a few days at most before it's totally green and gross.

Infected fruits will be fairly obvious. They'll get weak and whither like an abort, get squishy, pick up unusual colors. I would not eat anything that doesn't look & feel like a normal healthy fruit. Any fruits near the showing green i would harvest early just to prevent it getting infected and lost.

/e. I'll just add, chard may sound rough, but he's right and trying to guide you. MS>grains has a high fail rate. You say your bags didn't look infected, but it's hard to notice trich myc along with cube myc and i'd bet dollars to doughnuts your spawn bags atleast looked a bit bacterial because you went ms>grains. MS>brf or MS>agar>xfer till clean>grains are truly your best bets for success and avoiding the green.



I think this is really good advice. Notice he says that trich will grow exponentially and turn the entire tub green in a few days.

How many days have those spots been there? Have they had any change at all? The new pic looks exactly like the pic from yesterday. Aren't those the same "green" spots you saw four days ago? I don't think anyone with any real trich experience would say that it would stay exactly the same for four days if it was trich.


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Edited by Spiritualscience (09/30/19 08:41 PM)

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Re: First time grow with spawn bags and bulk substrate. [Re: ChardRich]
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ChardRich said:
tomcards said:
JD,

You are a reverend of reassurance and an avatar of advice.    Your scepter is a turkey baster.

I opened the lid, wiped off the condensation, and soaked up some puny puddles.  Here are some much clearer photos.








That sub is bacterial all over and the green appears to be the  trich.





Look at his new pic. The yellow is gone. It is not bacterial all over. At least this time you said "appears to be trich."



Edited by Spiritualscience (10/03/19 12:12 AM)

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Re: First time grow with spawn bags and bulk substrate. [Re: Spiritualscience]
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I’m full of it? Lol. All you do is cite outdated information and talk about the one tub you’ve grown.

In fact, you’re so novice, you haven’t even made your own spawn or learned agar. You don’t care to either. You think that because you got lucky with one spawn bag, you’re a god.

And yeah, I sure have, lmao. Not going to get into a pissing match, but you write so much about cultivating when you haven’t done anything besides put a syringe to a couple bags.

That tub is bacterial and it’s has trich. Why don’t you call on LtLurker who agrees (at least about the trich)? Doesn’t really add up. I don’t understand why you’re in such denial about bacteria. All I said was it’s bacterial, not that it won’t fruit. It doesn’t look healthy. See, unlike you, I actually studied the steps and moved on to true cultivation from spawn bags. Now I have more mushrooms, cultures and tubs than I know what to do with.

All you have is one lucky soawn bag tub you tell the whole world about.

I would rather take advice from an outdated book than listen to your bs.

Then again, what  else can you expect from someone with a quote about Jesus in his signature.


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Edited by ChardRich (09/30/19 10:06 PM)

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Re: First time grow with spawn bags and bulk substrate. [Re: ChardRich]
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Okay

Edited by Spiritualscience (10/10/19 12:34 AM)

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Re: First time grow with spawn bags and bulk substrate. [Re: Spiritualscience]
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https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26202915/page/1

Didn’t wanna get into a pissing contest, but since you insist. This is typical now, because I decided to get deeper into the hobby.

Have fun with your shit bags. Theyll fail sooner or later :smile:


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Re: First time grow with spawn bags and bulk substrate. [Re: ChardRich]
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ChardRich said:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26202915/page/1

Didn’t wanna get into a pissing contest, but since you insist. This is typical now, because I decided to get deeper into the hobby.

Have fun with your shit bags. Theyll fail sooner or later :smile:




If those are yours, they look nice. Good job! I hope you can eat a bunch and learn some things from the teacher.

You have come a long ways since less than two months ago when you were comparing your one attempt gone bad with my current grow. Now your one shoe box picture is "typical." I hear ya :wink:

But in all honesty I want all your grows to turn out great. I mean that sincerely. I'm not against anyone.


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Edited by Spiritualscience (09/30/19 11:58 PM)

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Re: First time grow with spawn bags and bulk substrate. [Re: ChardRich]
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Here is my current lucky grow. I have over 100 pins that popped up today.





I just hope you are not "lucky" with your advice to Tom and have actually guessed right. I am hoping he does not have trich. Those spots look suspect but I hold out hope because I believe he saw them over four days ago. I wish he would chime in tonight. I imagine he is in bed. I finally have some time off. I am about to eat about 5g. Its been over two weeks. I'm ready to blast off.

I wish you the best Chard. I just think your advice is harsh, guessing, and often wrong. That shoe box looks really nice though.


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Edited by Spiritualscience (10/10/19 12:35 AM)

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Re: First time grow with spawn bags and bulk substrate. [Re: Spiritualscience]
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Oh man!  Just when I accepted that my tub was doomed and I was grieving my loss, you chime in JD and give me hope!  What am I to think?  You've been with me since the beginning JD and I value your feedback.

Pins are still prodigiously popping and some of the older fruits are nearly ready for harvest.

Because there was still a lot of condensation in the tub, I'm leaving the top holes half open. Two days ago, I moved the tape on the bottom holes to leave 1/4 of the top of the holes open.  That helps a lot.  There is no new puddling.

Here is a photo from this morning.  What are your diagnoses? 

Congrats on your pins JD!  And I hope you had a rousing ride on the 5 grams.


Edited by tomcards (10/01/19 09:49 AM)

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Re: First time grow with spawn bags and bulk substrate. [Re: tomcards]
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You'll notice that light gray patch in the lower left corner of the tub.  After taking the photo, I scooped it out, along with the uncolonized grain from which it sprang.

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Re: First time grow with spawn bags and bulk substrate. [Re: Spiritualscience]
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Spiritualscience said:
Lurker and Chardrich think it is trich. Chardrich has very little experience… Lurker, on the other hand, is experienced, but he also thought my bag was extremely suspect… They were both wrong, just on different levels… I do trust some of Lurker's advice… My comment about it not spreading, which Chadrich says I am wrong about… I doubt Chadrich has ever had trich. Even Lurker may have very little to no experience with trich…



Jfc, you sound like such an insufferable prick. We’re all here trying to help each other for free with the best intentions, giving advice based on our own experience, which may or may not match up with others’ experience.  I thought your bag was fucked, too.  But it wasn’t.  I was also wrong, and I’m glad.  More fungus in the world is a good thing.  We also might be wrong about tomcards’ grow.  So?  Whatever happens, we’ll learn from it, and be able to give better advice in the future.  Everyone wins.

If someone gives me advice that turns out to be incorrect, I’ll let them know that reality did not match up with their prediction, but in the spirit of spreading knowledge so we all learn together—not to belittle them about how wrong and inexperienced they are.  You’re not a team player.

My eyes are rolling so hard you have a Jesus quote in your sig.  You’re a terrible witness.

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Re: First time grow with spawn bags and bulk substrate. [Re: tomcards] * 1
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hey Tom, noobie me thinks that tub looks good, with the exception of those greenish looking spots (near top, just right of center line). Glad you stuck with it, even if it turns badly it looks like you have some good fruits to harvest! and even clone from if you're working with agar.
I say Well done, Salute!


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Re: First time grow with spawn bags and bulk substrate. [Re: badsponge]
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yea i just caught that comment. I've been growing over 2 years straight now, i've seen plenty of trich and fucked with it different ways. Here's the thing about troubleshooting online, we can only give the most probable responses based on pics and descriptions, there will always be exceptions and things missed because we don't have the materials in front of us and followed through with every step first hand.

You had a shitty looking bag that produced very little over several flushes Spiritual. Perhaps not as bacterial as i predicted and lasted longer than expected, but it sure wasn't a good grow. Slow your role, you've done 1 fucking grow. You really dunno shit after 1 crappy ms>pre sterile grain bag experience. Odds will catch up with you eventually.

Now op's tub. Doesn't look horribly bacterial to me, but again odds are very likely something is happening bacteria wise. That green mold will fuckin grow and is in far more of the substrate than you think(there are multiple green molds not all trich, grow at different speeds), that gray mold you pulled is also not gone and will return soon. You will see, even if you don't believe me right now because you got another newb encouraging you how fine it is despite having practically 0 growing experience. These tubs are sparse compared to most people's standards, while we try to encourage any fruits as success for newbs, don't kid yourself you can do way better.

Edited by LtLurker (10/01/19 08:20 PM)

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Re: First time grow with spawn bags and bulk substrate. [Re: Spiritualscience]
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All I said to OP was that his tub looked bacterial and has trich. I still believe those things. Mind you, I never said he should toss it right away. I said he should let the fruits mature, harvest and then toss.

I actually just had a shoebox with trich. It was from the one time I spawned a jar that looked sketchy. You wouldn't know much about jars and oat prep, since all you've ever done is MS to an injection port :shrug:

LtLurker does have more experience than me, sure. What's funny is him and I basically said the same thing about your bag. We both underestimated the bag's life, but nonetheless, we weren't wrong. It probably had bacteria and you got some highly mediocre flushes.

You go around here as if you're so experienced when you have yet to learn anything about mycology.


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Re: First time grow with spawn bags and bulk substrate. [Re: ChardRich] * 1
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Guys,

Yesterday, I harvested the first fruits.  They appeared normal and healthy.  Yay!  They are now withering away in my desiccant box.

Pins continue to appear and existing fruits continue to grow. 

I know that this venture could have turned out much better than it has.  But I'm grateful that all this time and worry proved fruitful, however meager the yield.  This experience and your input have taught me a great deal.  Thanks again.

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Re: First time grow with spawn bags and bulk substrate. [Re: tomcards]
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tomcards said:
They are now withering away in my desiccant box.



No dehydrator? Dude get one now. Any fungus produced is a reason to be happy, but treat em right and get a dehydrator.

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Re: First time grow with spawn bags and bulk substrate. [Re: badsponge]
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:whathesaid: fan drying and desiccant won't get them totally dry and lose potency. Dehydrator is the way to go.

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Re: First time grow with spawn bags and bulk substrate. [Re: LtLurker]
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Tom, you can fan dry them for about 24 hours and then stick them in your desiccant  container. You don't want to put fresh mushrooms in the desiccant  Container unless you have a boatload of desiccant.


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Re: First time grow with spawn bags and bulk substrate. [Re: badsponge]
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badsponge said:
Spiritualscience said:
Lurker and Chardrich think it is trich. Chardrich has very little experience… Lurker, on the other hand, is experienced, but he also thought my bag was extremely suspect… They were both wrong, just on different levels… I do trust some of Lurker's advice… My comment about it not spreading, which Chadrich says I am wrong about… I doubt Chadrich has ever had trich. Even Lurker may have very little to no experience with trich…



Jfc, you sound like such an insufferable prick. We’re all here trying to help each other for free with the best intentions, giving advice based on our own experience, which may or may not match up with others’ experience.  I thought your bag was fucked, too.  But it wasn’t.  I was also wrong, and I’m glad.  More fungus in the world is a good thing.  We also might be wrong about tomcards’ grow.  So?  Whatever happens, we’ll learn from it, and be able to give better advice in the future.  Everyone wins.

If someone gives me advice that turns out to be incorrect, I’ll let them know that reality did not match up with their prediction, but in the spirit of spreading knowledge so we all learn together—not to belittle them about how wrong and inexperienced they are.  You’re not a team player.

My eyes are rolling so hard you have a Jesus quote in your sig.  You’re a terrible witness.



I hear you man. Thanks for sharing that.


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Jesus said to the ones who believed Him, If ye continue in my word, you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

Edited by Spiritualscience (10/03/19 12:17 AM)

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Re: First time grow with spawn bags and bulk substrate. [Re: Spiritualscience]
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Spiritualscience said:
You said his tub was completely full of bacteria and had trich. You purposely chose his comment about me being helpful to do so.  You even quoted him saying I had been helpful. You did so to be a cock sucker, and I called you out on it. That is the only reason I mentioned you guys being wrong about my previous grow and your inexperience. I did not want Tom to freak out like I did when you said that stupid shit before. You tell new Growers that kind of stuff regularly.

I use a 27 quart mini tub. I had 140 healthy shrooms in the first flush. I got over 8 oz Dry from the tub. That is not mediocre by any standard.

I don't act like anything. I simply share what I have learned through experience and through studying. You can't point to a single thing I have shared that is wrong. All you can do is talk trash.

I have only talked to a few people on here, and I do so to encourage them because I know dick heads like you go around telling them their grow is fucked. You're still talking shit about mine, after I proved you and lurker dead wrong.

You called me out on being nice to lurker. Well considering his trash talkin bullshit, I won't be nice to him anymore either. He's just as full of shit as you are he just doesn't want to admit it.



You have a serious problem if you think I posted on here to mock you. His tub has trich and bacteria and someone with half a brain needed to let him know.

I think you need some counseling, to help your ass from bouncin off the walls when you get down son


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Re: First time grow with spawn bags and bulk substrate. [Re: ChardRich]
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:lmafo:

Now I must say, I did enjoy your comment ChardRich. I may need some counseling.


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