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Re: White UK liberals protest Candace Owens for being racist [Re: XUL] * 1
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They're mad because American (or Civic) Nationalism and White Nationalism have a shared space on the venn diagram of social and political ideology. It drives them crazy and they don't know how to respond to it; especially when there's multi-racial advocacy involved. Sort of like how the SJW progressive liberal BS intersects so well with straight up Soviet-style Communism, which likewise drives the conservatives crazy. It's easier to generalize and react radically than it is to parse these things on a case by case basis. We live in clown town and I can't help but to laugh.


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Re: White UK liberals protest Candace Owens for being racist [Re: The Ecstatic] * 3
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I lost count.


XUL, if you won't debate me on my terms (1 on 1 with a mutually agreed upon impartial moderator), then name your terms.

Unless you're afraid to debate me. Just like liberal college campuses are afraid to debate. Don't become that which you hate XUL.


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Re: White UK liberals protest Candace Owens for being racist [Re: XUL] * 1
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XUL said:
shivas.wisdom said:
shivas.wisdom said:
Hey XUL, I challenge you to a debate on Candace Owens, in the style of this thread https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25913141 because I want you to be forced to honestly debate me.

You can choose the moderator, but I have to agree to them.





No.

I'm not going to defend Candace Owens' life against attacks.

I simply like her ideas. Conservatism, Christianity, and moving away from welfare towards independence.

You can debate me if you would like.

But I am not debating on your terms. We do it open in a thread.



No I won’t debate you. I’m not gonna defend her but yes I like her ideas they’re good. Yes let’s debate. But I’m not debating you in a thread like you said. We can debate in a thread like you said.


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Re: White UK liberals protest Candace Owens for being racist [Re: shivas.wisdom]
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shivas.wisdom said:
I lost count.


XUL, if you won't debate me on my terms (1 on 1 with a mutually agreed upon impartial moderator), then name your terms.

Unless you're afraid to debate me. Just like liberal college campuses are afraid to debate. Don't become that which you hate XUL.



Debate about what?


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Re: White UK liberals protest Candace Owens for being racist [Re: Great Scott]
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Great Scott said:
They're mad because American (or Civic) Nationalism and White Nationalism have a shared space on the venn diagram of social and political ideology. It drives them crazy and they don't know how to respond to it; especially when there's multi-racial advocacy involved. Sort of like how the SJW progressive liberal BS intersects so well with straight up Soviet-style Communism, which likewise drives the conservatives crazy. It's easier to generalize and react radically than it is to parse these things on a case by case basis. We live in clown town and I can't help but to laugh.



What it comes down to then is radical progressives v. Conservative traditionalists, no?

I err on the side of proven success.


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Re: White UK liberals protest Candace Owens for being racist [Re: XUL] * 1
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That’s not what it comes down to at all.


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Re: White UK liberals protest Candace Owens for being racist [Re: XUL]
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XUL said:
shivas.wisdom said:
I lost count.


XUL, if you won't debate me on my terms (1 on 1 with a mutually agreed upon impartial moderator), then name your terms.

Unless you're afraid to debate me. Just like liberal college campuses are afraid to debate. Don't become that which you hate XUL.



Debate about what?



On whether Candace Owen's ideas have merit or not, of course.


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Re: White UK liberals protest Candace Owens for being racist [Re: shivas.wisdom]
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In the OP, the highlighted topics are: family values, conservative values, and moving away from welfare towards independence.

I'm not going to debate Candace's merit, but I will support those same ideas in a debate. That is, I will support similar ideas she probably shares. Lastly, all people have shortcomings. I am listening to her now and I like what she is saying.

I think Many poor whites would do good to listen to her.


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Re: White UK liberals protest Candace Owens for being racist [Re: shivas.wisdom]
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shivas.wisdom said:
XUL said:
shivas.wisdom said:
I lost count.


XUL, if you won't debate me on my terms (1 on 1 with a mutually agreed upon impartial moderator), then name your terms.

Unless you're afraid to debate me. Just like liberal college campuses are afraid to debate. Don't become that which you hate XUL.



Debate about what?



On whether Candace Owen's ideas have merit or not, of course.




I don't believe she's the sort of person I would pillar for ideas to debate. She's not a policy maker or particularly smart. She's more of a symbolic figure, and very low hanging fruit to pick apart. The proper debate would be discussing the cultural aspect she represents, and to me that truly is what she's all about. She's more interested in changing the culture of black Americans, and I think we all know the types she's hoping to change. Is she wrong for hoping to change single black mothers? Not really. It's not a good thing to have 80% of black mothers be single. You can disagree with her policies all you want but that's not a very good debate because you'll never agree on anything. The best thing we can do is acknowledge there are real problems in minority communities rather than give the popular soundbites on TV and never address a problem. I think the thing that sets people like her off the most is the admonishment for what they view as the worst aspects of black or minority culture.


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"I found it is the small everyday deeds of ordinary folk that keep the darkness at bay… small acts of kindness and love.” - Gandalf The Grey.

"It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." - Aristotle

"I like to think of Jesus like with giant eagle's wings, and singin' lead vocals for Lynyrd Skynyrd with like an angel band and I'm in the front row and I'm HAMMERED DRUNK!" - Cal Naughton Jr. AKA The Magic Man. Abracadabra homes!

"Each tear is a drop of poison released." - Anonymous

"Could it be you're afraid of what your friends might say if they knew you believe in God above? They should realize before they criticize that God is the only way to Love."

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Re: White UK liberals protest Candace Owens for being racist [Re: XUL] * 2
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LRG said:
I don't believe she's the sort of person I would pillar for ideas to debate. She's not a policy maker or particularly smart. She's more of a symbolic figure, and very low hanging fruit to pick apart. The proper debate would be discussing the cultural aspect she represents, and to me that truly is what she's all about. She's more interested in changing the culture of black Americans, and I think we all know the types she's hoping to change. Is she wrong for hoping to change single black mothers? Not really. It's not a good thing to have 80% of black mothers be single. You can disagree with her policies all you want but that's not a very good debate because you'll never agree on anything. The best thing we can do is acknowledge there are real problems in minority communities rather than give the popular soundbites on TV and never address a problem. I think the thing that sets people like her off the most is the admonishment for what they view as the worst aspects of black or minority culture.



I explained my disagreement with her ideas here. I feel XUL did not properly respond to the points of my argument, while apparently he feels otherwise, which is why I wanted to turn the discussion to a more formal debate.

I also say Candace Owens specifically, because XUL has shown a tendency to push her specifically on this forum. If Candace Owens is nondefensible, perhaps XUL should think twice before touting her virtues.

Still, I am open to debating what she represents, rather than her person.







XUL said:
In the OP, the highlighted topics are: family values, conservative values, and moving away from welfare towards independence.

I'm not going to debate Candace's merit, but I will support those same ideas in a debate. That is, I will support similar ideas she probably shares. Lastly, all people have shortcomings. I am listening to her now and I like what she is saying.

I think Many poor whites would do good to listen to her.



Why won't you debate her merit?

Still, I am willing to debate those highlighted topics. Here would be the format:

You provide an opening argument for how family values, conservative values, and moving away from welfare towards independence would benefit the black community in the USA.

I would then provide my argument for how these values not only fail to sufficiently address the problems faced by black communities in the USA, but will actually make things worse.

You then have an opportunity to introduce more evidence and directly respond to my argument.

I then make a closing statement without introducing any new evidence.

Finally, a mutually agreed upon judge decides which position was more convincing, and why.


Sounds good?


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Re: White UK liberals protest Candace Owens for being racist [Re: shivas.wisdom]
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She's not indefensible she's just young, unapologetic and idealistic. She's a young, black conservative woman. That's all the reason you need to highlight her these days and she's well aware of that too.

There's plenty of evidence that the welfare state isn't good for anyone. Most people who are born in welfare stay on welfare. Are they alive and taken care of by the government? Yes, but that's not a good thing.

Half of your argument is more personal and anecdotal than it is factual. People are allowed to change. Based on her life and what she went through ought to give people a moment of pause and wonder exactly what caused her to change. If she were a liberal or progressive she'd be among the top tier of victims on the television and you fucking know it. The fact is she is a conservative and holds many beliefs of those old white guys, so she's racist. That's how I see it and it's really not interesting to me. She's young and has a lot to learn but certainly not a racist.


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"It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." - Aristotle

"I like to think of Jesus like with giant eagle's wings, and singin' lead vocals for Lynyrd Skynyrd with like an angel band and I'm in the front row and I'm HAMMERED DRUNK!" - Cal Naughton Jr. AKA The Magic Man. Abracadabra homes!

"Each tear is a drop of poison released." - Anonymous

"Could it be you're afraid of what your friends might say if they knew you believe in God above? They should realize before they criticize that God is the only way to Love."

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Re: White UK liberals protest Candace Owens for being racist [Re: LRG] * 1
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LRG said:
Half of your argument is more personal and anecdotal than it is factual.



Sure but the other half isn't. I've already said I'm willing to drop discussion of Candace Owens personally, so let's move to the other half now.

You appear to be interested in this subject, so what do you have to say about my criticism of the ideas she represents; specifically, the establishment conservative policy that focuses on dismantling the welfare state while building up the prison-industrial-complex, and my claim that this supports racist institutions rather than dismantles them.

Also, care to link to some of those studies on welfare you mention?


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Re: White UK liberals protest Candace Owens for being racist [Re: shivas.wisdom]
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She's not indefensible she's just young, unapologetic and idealistic. She's a young, black conservative woman. That's all the reason you need to
shivas.wisdom said:
LRG said:
Half of your argument is more personal and anecdotal than it is factual.



Sure but the other half isn't. I've already said I'm willing to drop discussion of Candace Owens personally, so let's move to the other half now.

You appear to be interested in this subject, so what do you have to say about my criticism of the ideas she represents; specifically, the establishment conservative policy that focuses on dismantling the welfare state while building up the prison-industrial-complex, and my claim that this supports racist institutions rather than dismantles them.

Also, care to link to some of those studies on welfare you mention?



I think dismantling the welfare state is a bad idea. I think improving their lives starts with getting people on welfare off welfare. Obviously, there are people who will get the shitty end of the stick in all aspects of life and it is the responsibility of our government to take care of them. I don't agree with dismantling the welfare state. I don't agree with privatized prisons and most convictions of non violent crimes that are filling the prisons. The idea that they are racist institutions is puzzling. The statistics don't really support that claim, especially if you take out most drug crimes. https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/topic-pages/tables/table-21

Studies are rather irrelevant to me about welfare. Only a small minority of recipients actually qualify, to me, as "on welfare."

https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2015/cb15-97.html

Not definitive answers to backup my claim but to really understand you need to see people who live in government housing and ask them how long they've lived like this. And more often than not you'll hear them say their whole lives. Best case scenario is they make it out one way or another or they just end up being poor and employed.


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"I found it is the small everyday deeds of ordinary folk that keep the darkness at bay… small acts of kindness and love.” - Gandalf The Grey.

"It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." - Aristotle

"I like to think of Jesus like with giant eagle's wings, and singin' lead vocals for Lynyrd Skynyrd with like an angel band and I'm in the front row and I'm HAMMERED DRUNK!" - Cal Naughton Jr. AKA The Magic Man. Abracadabra homes!

"Each tear is a drop of poison released." - Anonymous

"Could it be you're afraid of what your friends might say if they knew you believe in God above? They should realize before they criticize that God is the only way to Love."

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Re: White UK liberals protest Candace Owens for being racist [Re: LRG]
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LRG said:
She's not indefensible she's just young, unapologetic and idealistic.

I think dismantling the welfare state is a bad idea. I think improving their lives starts with getting people on welfare off welfare. Obviously, there are people who will get the shitty end of the stick in all aspects of life and it is the responsibility of our government to take care of them. I don't agree with dismantling the welfare state. I don't agree with privatized prisons and most convictions of non violent crimes that are filling the prisons.



I think Shivas would agree with everything you just said.  :shrug:

LRG said:
...to really understand you need to see people who live in government housing and ask them how long they've lived like this. And more often than not you'll hear them say their whole lives.



Do you think the poor would have a better chance of succeeding if they didn't have government housing?


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I am in a minority on the shroomery, as I frequently defend the opposing side when they have a point about something or when my side make believes something about them.  I also attack my side if I think they're wrong.  People here get very confused by that and think it means I prefer the other side.

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Re: White UK liberals protest Candace Owens for being racist [Re: shivas.wisdom] * 1
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shivas.wisdom said:
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Tantrika said:
shivas.wisdom said:
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An example of her lack of integrity? This article is from 2016, before her switch to conservative, where she talks about the harm she suffered as a victim of racism; and this article, from two months ago, has her saying racism is over because she's never been a slave.
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Holy shit, she's the socialautopsy chick?

she basically systematized the practice of using people's old tweets and stuff against them
:lol:



Yes, she is. And after failing as an SJW, now she's trying her hand as a Trumpet.



yeah but "failing as an SJW" is not nearly as funny as how it came back to bite her in the ass :lol:
she made a site expressly for doxxing people, then when people started using the her own advised technique against her she had a breakdown and played the race card insisting people who were following her advice were the "real" racists
rather than own her bad idea, she tried to blame use of the idea on other people to garner personal popularity

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By 2015, Owens was living and working in New York, paying off debt and looking for her next move when she and a co-worker founded Degree180, a marketing agency that offered consultation, production and planning services. The site included a blog that featured writing from Owens on a variety of topics including anorexia, acne, breakups and dating — and occasionally politics. In one post, she wrote about the “bat-shit-crazy antics of the Republican Tea Party,” adding, “The good news is, they will eventually die off (peacefully in their sleep, we hope), and then we can get right on with the OBVIOUS social change that needs to happen, IMMEDIATELY.”

In the spring of 2016, the women of Degree180, led by Owens, launched a $75,000 Kickstarter campaign for a new website called Social Autopsy. The idea, according to the promotional video, was to create “the first-ever search database that compiles and allows the public to easily access the digital footprint of individuals and companies.”

“Wave goodbye to cyberbullies and trolls,” it announced.

The project soon ran into problems. In the pitch, Owens claimed her team had already amassed profiles on thousands of individuals, using real Twitter, Facebook and Instagram posts. Privacy is one of the few topics that can unite the internet’s warring factions, however, and Social Autopsy, to a lot of people, felt like an online destination for “doxing,” the malicious practice of posting a person’s identifying details on the internet, usually with the implied invitation to harass the person in real life. These days, Owens acknowledges that the endeavor was “well intended but totally naïve.”

In response, people began to dox Owens, posting her address, family members, workplace, contact information and social media profiles. Owens received threatening emails and texts, many of them racist.

That led her to stumble into one of the internet events that helped fuel the so-called alt-right: Gamergate, which pitted progressive video game developers and their supporters against gamers who revolted against the move to make video games more inclusive.

With scant evidence, Owens blamed the progressive side of Gamergate for her doxxing and the ultimate failure of Social Autopsy’s Kickstarter project, leading her to unexpected allies: the Gamergate faction whose anti-feminist, traditionalist positions often overlapped with politically conservative ones thanks to prominent Trump supporters Milo Yiannopoulos and Mike Cernovich, known for spreading conspiracy theories and far-right ideology.



https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/youtube-tested-trump-approved-how-candace-owens-suddenly-became-loudest-n885166

find Gamergate being the battleground that "changed" her to be conceptually interesting
do not agree with the sentiment that it was simply "gamers who revolted against the move to make video games more inclusive."
as part of my own rallying cry in gamergate was how systems of paid/bribed reviews were effectively inhibiting more genuinely inclusive games

but do distinctly remember the socialautopsy fiasco because basically everyone on the Left and Right were both criticizing it when it was announced
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The pitch, to anyone steeped in the world of social media in 2016, is odd, if not ominous. Owens is unclear how she plans to do any of the things she says she will, and listening to her description of a site that “lifts masks” and connects people’s names to their employers, it’s hard not to come to the conclusion that Social Autopsy’s goals include de-anonymizing people online and making it easier to dox trolls and harassers. And that’s exactly how the Kickstarter pitch was interpreted by most of the people who saw it. The freak-out was both immediate and predictable — a site that allows users to “report” people for entry in a database that will portray them as a troll or a cyberbully has obvious potential for all kinds of abuse.

In the days that followed, a rare degree of unity was achieved between various opposing factions in the endless internet culture wars: Gamergater and anti-Gamergate advocate alike agreed that this was a very bad idea, and that the Kickstarter’s lack of details — when it launched, there was little sign the company had given any thoughts to potential privacy concerns, nor to countermeasures against the inevitability of reports leveled against innocent people — suggested it was a half-baked, potentially dangerous service that no one really wanted.

The response to Social Autopsy seemed, in short, like a clear instance of the internet — that is, the market for the service itself — rearing up and issuing forth a guttural, earsplitting No thanks! But that’s not how Owens sees things. Instead, she’s convinced the current online shaming she’s experiencing — including death threats and violently racist language delivered into her company’s inbox — are the result of a conspiracy, possibly a far-reaching one, spearheaded by Quinn and Harper. She thinks they, and particularly Quinn, are the ones sending her nasty email, or that they started the hysteria which led to the inundation, at least. She also thinks they’re operating a network of sock-puppet social-media accounts trying to take down Social Autopsy — all because they’re afraid of what the nascent company will reveal about them once it’s up and running.



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Part of what has made this train wreck so depressing to watch is that almost all of it flows directly out of Owens’s lack of understanding of this particular slice of the internet. She may have worked with various anti-bullying organizations like the Tyler Clementi Foundation in the run-up to her Kickstarter launch, but it was clear from our conversation that she just hadn’t been exposed to the kind of aggressive swarming mobs that define online harassment in 2016. When we were talking about Social Autopsy, her primary examples of the behavior she was hoping to catalogue were people who left threatening Facebook comments about celebrities like Caitlyn Jenner. She thought it was important to discover, for example, the names of teachers who left viciously cruel comments against Jenner.

Yes, people leave mean comments on Facebook, and, yes, there is plenty of “old-school” cyberbullying that should be addressed, but online harassment these days is much more complicated than that — much more complicated even than the brutal, scary version Owens experienced growing up. Understanding it requires understanding a lot about anonymity, about troll culture, about who is likely to be a target in a first place. And it doesn’t appear Owens or her colleagues at Social Autopsy came in with any of this background. As if the internet were trying to hammer that point home, Owens and her organization are now experiencing exactly the sort of harassment her organization didn’t seem to fully take into account — the snowballing shaming which can come when an unpopular idea is put under a searing spotlight and the internet decides that the most important thing in the world to do, at least for the next day or so — or until some other, even more deserving victim comes along — is to mock and threaten and dehumanize whoever is responsible for that idea.

Owens’s somewhat naive understanding of what constitutes online harassment ended up backfiring on her in some pretty brutal ways. For instance, she got fixated on the word dox, mentioning that Quinn had used it in their tense phone call. “Within a few hours of having spoken to Zoe Quinn and upset her, a board has been started on us on 4chan.org, an anonymous thread, and they are now telling the gamers that we are going to be doxxing them, doxxing minors,” she told me. “The word dox is being thrown around — (I) had never heard it, people had seen our campaign, we worked on it for two months, people gave us feedback, we had a whole article written in the Connecticut Post on the front page” — and yet, she said, not a single person had used the word dox in the run-up to the Kickstarter launch. “Now we’re seeing the word dox in this chain and immediately in my head I go, Interesting word. Heard that first from Zoe.” So because Quinn had mentioned doxxing and then a bunch of other people had brought it up as well — in the context of a Kickstarter campaign that at the very least strongly hinted that it would be doxxing people by unmasking people and revealing where they work — Owens became convinced that Quinn was behind all the complaints.



http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2016/04/how-social-autopsy-fell-for-gamergate-trutherism.html

interesting, tho, to see how popular she managed to become by playing the victim card
rather than growing in popularity due to her actual ideas

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Re: White UK liberals protest Candace Owens for being racist [Re: Tantrika]
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Zoe Quinn was probably the one who doxxed Candace Owens.  Zoe and the rest of her CON were already doxxing and dossing people that she didn’t like. 

The conspiracy is that she and the rest of CON would of been outed for doing the same shit that they were accusing people of.

After social autopsy got sunk she went right.


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Sui is trying to mod right now.  Kinda like a newborn calf tryin ta stand fer the first time ain’t it..

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Re: White UK liberals protest Candace Owens for being racist [Re: lowbrow]
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lowbrow said:
Zoe Quinn was probably the one who doxxed Candace Owens.  Zoe and the rest of her CON were already doxxing and dossing people that she didn’t like. 

The conspiracy is that she and the rest of CON would of been outed for doing the same shit that they were accusing people of.

After social autopsy got sunk she went right.



fully recognize the hypocrisy of Zoe's organization in speaking out against doxxing while participating in doxxing
also resent that she spent so much time playing the victim card that it detracted from what really mattered in the gamergate issue

gamergate "started" because of Quinn's butthurt ex complaining that he only reviewed her game well because they had been dating at the time
but it uncovered a much larger system of issues where game publishing companies were paying review magazines and websites for positive game reviews
rather than the games being reviewed on their actual merits
but every time the narrative would shift to the actual source of concern, she and Sarkeesian would be all over the news as victims
it "helped" them that the news organizations covering them so prolificly were the same ones that people were complaining about running paid/bribed reviews
so the news groups were actively invested in perpetuating a narrative of harassment over legitimate concerns of corrupt business

The only real question, to me, with regards to Owens' doxxing tho
is whether she would have included a profile for herself on her socialautopsy website
or if she felt herself to be above the level of what she sought

the fact that she uses the victim card on the Right after previously using it on the Left matters little to me
am just impressed that she manages to do so in a way that still has people protecting her use of identity politics
doubt even Quinn could pull that off

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Re: White UK liberals protest Candace Owens for being racist [Re: shivas.wisdom]
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I won't debate with a judge here because I am not interested in "winning," but rather forcing the opponent to concede, forcing myself to concede, or agreeing to disagree. The purpose being, not to win something, but to refine principles with you.

Further, I would require unlimited rebuttals.

Eh?


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Re: White UK liberals protest Candace Owens for being racist [Re: XUL]
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The reason I want an impartial judge is because, after participating in several informal debates with you, I am of the opinion that you do not debate honestly; this includes failing to address significant points of my argument, failing to provide an equal level of evidence for your claims, and failure to even make an argument at all.

Past experience has shown that our informal debates end without resolution; with you feeling my arguments were sufficiently addressed, and I feeling otherwise. I want a real resolution this time. If you must view it as changing minds instead of winning the debate, than view it as both of us attempting to change the judges mind.

I am willing to extend the rebuttals for another round or two, but not infinitely - because this is about resolution. After three rounds of rebuttals it is highly likely that we will begin repeating ourselves. Three rounds of rebuttals and then the judge states who made the most convincing argument and why.

I see no reason why you wouldn't agree to this, beyond an unwillingness to formally debate me.


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Re: White UK liberals protest Candace Owens for being racist [Re: shivas.wisdom] * 2
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shivas.wisdom said:
qman said:
How are private prisons racist?  Your links don't answer that question.



The connection is made in my third link. Private prisons, seeking the bottom line, prefer low-cost inmates; this commonly translates to younger and healthier. Younger, healthier inmates, the study found — who've come into the system since the war on drugs went into effect — are disproportionately people of color.

In effect, this means that people of colour are disproportionately harmed by private prisons. This racist effect isn't necessarily intentional - in fact, it seems most likely to be a side effect of seeking greater profits. Still, an institution that disproportionately harms people of colour should be deemed racist, intentional or not.




I hate the concept of private prisons, but I would state that the war of drugs is the main issue here.

Could the private prisons lobby to keep these unjust drugs laws on the books to maintain their profitability?  Absolutely, that's why there's a major conflict of interest when the government allows private prisons to profit from people breaking the law.

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