Bill_Oreilly said:

bodhisatta said:

No ones ever had ego death from eating psychedelics. They just think they did because they tripped their nuts off. Like having a dream about ego death they got confused by their own ideas of what ego death might be

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This x100000

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MrCraggles said:

Where can it possibly go from there? I might increase to 11 grams penis envy. I've been warned you can only go so far before confusion and blacking out.

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MrCraggles said:

Where can it possibly go from there? I might increase to 11 grams penis envy. I've been warned you can only go so far before confusion and blacking out.

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As said, not really dose dependent.  For everything I list below there were no so-called "heroic doses" required, just good solid OEV levels:

You can progress from working on self to working on reality itself.  The realm of the timeless is always open (seeing time as a dimension just like space), then there are hyperdimensional realms that branch off from our rather low perception of mere 4-space (3 dimensions plus time).  From within these hyperdimensional realms you can manipulate space-time in interesting, apparently impossible ways.

And you can explore spirit realms that lie outside ordinary perception but aren't fixed to any obvious dimensional framework.

Once you get comfortable with non-self exploration a whole lot of new spaces open up to explore.

Not to mention multiple branches of this timeline and others.

There's more beyond that but nearly impossible to describe. 

Some of it literally can only be comprehended while tripping.

PrimalSoup said:

Nah, it sounded like the pure product to me.  And really - does it even matter?

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MrCraggles said:

I guess you're right it shouldn't matter. It was a profound and beautiful experience. But if I know I'm missing out on the real deal then I can't help but want to experience it.

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SonicTitan said:

Eating 10 g of potent mushrooms to achieve something that can be experienced with far less? Why not eat a few grams and sit in silent darkness? I find external distractions are the main reason one can't go deeper regardless of high or low doses.

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kabel said:

MrCraggles said:

I guess you're right it shouldn't matter. It was a profound and beautiful experience. But if I know I'm missing out on the real deal then I can't help but want to experience it.

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What level was your trip here?

https://www.shroomery.org/9067/What-do-the-different-trip-levels-Lvl-1-5-mean

And here?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shulgin_Rating_Scale

If "5" and "plus 4" that's about as good as it gets. But no matter what, somebody is going to tell you that your trip isn't as good as their trip for whatever reason.

Why should you care? You know what you experienced. Are you looking to kill your ego, or massage it?

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SonicTitan said:

Eating 10 g of potent mushrooms to achieve something that can be experienced with far less? Why not eat a few grams and sit in silent darkness? I find external distractions are the main reason one can't go deeper regardless of high or low doses.

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Vibe_Enthusiast said:

SonicTitan said:

Eating 10 g of potent mushrooms to achieve something that can be experienced with far less? Why not eat a few grams and sit in silent darkness? I find external distractions are the main reason one can't go deeper regardless of high or low doses.

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I agree. I've had some of my most eye opening experiences on nothing more than 3.5 P. Cube. I feel like people try and force things that aren't meant to be. 

When you're ready & the mushroom knows it.. itll show you.

They'll take you for the ride of a lifetime if you know how to let them. Even at small doses.

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MrCraggles said:

Vibe_Enthusiast said:

SonicTitan said:

Eating 10 g of potent mushrooms to achieve something that can be experienced with far less? Why not eat a few grams and sit in silent darkness? I find external distractions are the main reason one can't go deeper regardless of high or low doses.

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I agree. I've had some of my most eye opening experiences on nothing more than 3.5 P. Cube. I feel like people try and force things that aren't meant to be. 

When you're ready & the mushroom knows it.. itll show you.

They'll take you for the ride of a lifetime if you know how to let them. Even at small doses.

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I tried a lower dose just recently and didn't like it at all. It just wasn't the headspace I like or am used to. I actually found it less pleasant as I was less submerged. I felt a sense of foreboding. I prefer being completely washed away. I won't bother anymore unless I'm taking at least 6g penis envy tbh.

I don't know why people go on like taking large doses is bad. I love it. And I have an endless supply of mushrooms so it doesn't really matter. Plus it's not like I'm getting any negative consequences in my life from having large doses.

I don't believe mushrooms 'show you the way when you're ready' or any other new age nonsense (no offense)

It's a drug affecting my brain. Simple as that. And like any drug larger doses = bigger effect.

However I'm going to try sitting in total darkness on maybe 7g penis envy and see where that gets me.

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MrCraggles said:

Yes he did. He was very vocal about it and was begging me to make it stop. I had to give him and antipsychotic, put a fan on him to cool him down and cuddle him into me and reassure him until the antipsychotic kicked in and he fell asleep.

Basically at first he was saying 'OMG this is so beautiful. My mind is blown I've never seen anything like it.' He thought it was completely beautiful initially. His closed eye visuals were intense. So were the open eye visuals. He was totally submerged and at those kind of doses you begin experiencing infinity and endlessness. That can either be incredibly liberating, or incredibly suffocating and scary. As his ego was melting away into the infinity he was losing himself. It all became too intense for him and he began fighting it rather than surrendering completely, and he began thinking it was never going to end and this was his new reality forever and ever.

He suddenly got up and ran for the door in a sort of naive and desperate attempt to escape the experience. I had to run and grab him (bearing in mind in tripping hard at this point too) and calmly bring him back, feed him an antipsychotic, reassure him and lay him down.

He has never taken more than 3g since as it absolutely terrified him.

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MrCraggles said:

"Level 5
Total loss of visual connection with reality. The senses cease to function in the normal way. Total loss of ego. Merging with space, other objects, or the universe. The loss of reality becomes so severe that it defies explanation. The earlier levels are relatively easy to explain in terms of measureable changes in perception and thought patterns. This level is different in that the actual universe within which things are normally perceived, ceases to exist! Satorienlightenment (and other such labels)."


Well looking at the above I had total loss of visual contact with reality and merged out into reality. But I can't say that my ego was totally lost as somehow I remembered people important to me. But I can't say with certainty that those memories were coming as it was getting less intense. Like I keep saying, the only way I can describe is is existing as a million particles dissolved in the soup of reality. It's difficult to use words to describe it. But that's the closest I can get. I totally dissolved.

Yes I want total ego loss. I've been massaging it with high doses of mushrooms for eight months. I want the full on experience.

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