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Re: Novelty is fundamental to uncertainty [Re: Pinkerton] * 1
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Hey quantum ideas can be philosophy, just look at Timothy Leary and Robert Anton Wilson.
@RGV

Quantum Uncertainty tells us that the universe has a quality of uncertainty to it, no matter what you do or how you measure, there will be limits to the precision of measurement hence always a level of uncertainty.

It's not a limit of knowledge or precision technology, it's an inherent quality of the universe.


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Re: Novelty is fundamental to uncertainty [Re: akira_akuma]
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Pinkerton said:
I think you're wrong, Akira. :thumbdown:



i think you need to provide a counterargument to make that kind of claim, Pinkerton.
akira_akuma said:
redgreenvines, make an argument that pertains to what you are trying to attack.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/narod -- (eg, a race of peoples who, in ethnosociological terms, have vacated the ethnocentrum and have inculcated new forms of culture -- soon after comes the nation, in it's artifice, historically brought about by narods with cattle-driving ethnoses taken as servants -- eventually leading to slavery with the advent of civilizations' colonization in these beginning stages.)

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E1%BC%94%CE%B8%CE%BD%CE%BF%CF%82 -- (ie, demos, but 'demos' only in relation to the narod.)

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%CE%AD%CE%B8%CE%BD%CE%BF%CF%82 (ethnos but as the progress of ethnodynamics reaches a point of ethnokinetic fruition)

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Koine (ie, in ethnosociological terms of a race of peoples, "koineme", eg, a common source language which is shared in the ethnos of a koineme and makes said "koineme".)


a koineme is a language. in the dispersal of language (words as objects seen with 'action value') we construct structures of cultures from their original ethnos, and as this process (through ethnostatics, ethnodynamics, and at the final stage, ethnokinetics) breaks through the ethnocentrum, a narod is created. this is the beginning of the Tower Of Babel story.

this relates to the OP.

please...do your reading.



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the ethnos is always certain. uncertainty is of the narod. the narod always strives for the 'destruction of the new', which it itself is, and yet doesn't realize.

explains alot. including anti-semitism.




here you go. give it a go. i've rephrased some things, underlined some new things, etc.

Edited by akira_akuma (02/26/19 05:11 PM)

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Re: Novelty is fundamental to uncertainty [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
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Interesting. The bearers of culture; I was thinking about this the other day.
I would think if I hadn't read that there are/were probably mutants of considerable difference in intelligence compared to the average. The Bell curve likely repeats throughout all species on different scales. Only, in all species besides humanity, they died and their works with them. The average lives on throughout time, the species is stable, little novelty occurs and if it does it dies within a generation.
Humanity: we can advance knowledge because early in our evolution some of these mutants or maybe and likely just one probably invented an alphabet and writing/language. The bearer(s) of language.

We can write.
Boom, knowledge expands at an exponential rate.
Our species becomes stochastic. We evolve our intelligence as a whole when one genius comes along and discovers everything and shares it with the entire future of our species.
Increasing uncertainty AND novelty to exponential rates.
McKenna was obviously wrong when he talked of the singularity having a specific time when it manifests. It already is.
There's no limit to complexity and novelty, only our perception of it. If you stop so does it, to you.


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Re: Novelty is fundamental to uncertainty [Re: hTx]
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well, our conscious inflection through the cosmos (with free will and deterministic qualities, of course) is a can be a self-reflective object of conception itself, a "history" in it's own right, only we have the "history" we read in our own lives, and the history we make in the breaking off of the narod from the ethnocentrum [which is concurrently shown to be the case, in every instance]. someone, somewhere decided all the things we carry with us.

i call it "societies rucksack".

Edited by akira_akuma (02/26/19 08:02 PM)

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Re: Novelty is fundamental to uncertainty [Re: akira_akuma]
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I can see why you think that way.
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consciousness is a self-reflective object of conception itself



meaning that conception contains consciousness,
yet the other way around

"conception is contained in consciousness, and occasionally the conception is about consciousness or even a reflection of consciousness or a reflection of itself.",

makes much more sense to me


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Re: Novelty is fundamental to uncertainty [Re: redgreenvines]
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yeah, well, that's well and good and all. i appreciate your indications and i must say, i agree. i was putting things figuratively, of course, when i said what i said. i was referring to it's "history" [and symbolizing it as a different history than that of a historicism, of the narod].

but yes, what you said is agreeable.

but what of history?

[ps: i added some poetic license to make distinctions between my figure of speech and the notion of 'consciousness as concept' as differentiated from 'concept-as-consciousness' - and might add that the notion i wish to condense here is that of the process of "memory" and how it's interactions function in this strata of effects - which is what i'm pertaining to when i speak of "history" in the indicative stance therein by way of my tacit airquotes. :grin: ]

here is a diagram to make distinct the sort of memoragic 'play of effects' qua the ethnos and it's reaction in society in it's various outgrowths of the split of the ethnocentrum.



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What you posted explains nothing of quantum mechanisms.



is OP talking about quantum physics? or are you?

your lacking apprehension...frightens me for the worlds' posterity.

Edited by akira_akuma (02/27/19 11:57 AM)

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Re: Novelty is fundamental to uncertainty [Re: akira_akuma]
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akira_akuma said:
Pinkerton said:
I think you're wrong, Akira. :thumbdown:



i think you need to provide a counterargument to make that kind of claim, Pinkerton.



What you posted explains nothing of quantum mechanisms.

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Re: Novelty is fundamental to uncertainty [Re: Pinkerton]
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So we can talk about what portion of quantum mechanics is novel..


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Re: Novelty is fundamental to uncertainty [Re: Pinkerton]
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Pinkerton said:
akira_akuma said:
Pinkerton said:
I think you're wrong, Akira. :thumbdown:



i think you need to provide a counterargument to make that kind of claim, Pinkerton.



What you posted explains nothing of quantum mechanisms.



uh, this thread isn't about quantum mechanics, is it?

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Re: Novelty is fundamental to uncertainty [Re: akira_akuma]
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You're right. My bad. I'm slow. :wink:

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