krypto2000 said:

Yah, but the government serves an actual purpose, a government shutdown isn't going to make a dent in the deficit. I would definitely prefer a big gay parade.

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krypto2000 said:

There are other reasons to be against the wall, wildlife and environmental damage are probably my second most prominent reason, but I think the poor cost:effectiveness ratio is the primary reason. I do not see it being very effective at all.

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stevo said:

I have think a good shutdown could be what the government needs to make up for whatever money they need for agenda.  It'd be nice to do it the right way though, shut the IRS down.

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

Tax Haven Cheating is Much Costlier than the Annual Safety Net—But the IRS Keeps Getting CUT
Offshore hoarding of private American wealth is estimated to be $3.3 trillion (4% of U.S. $82 trillion financial wealth).  ...the Internal Revenue Service, which could be recovering much of our hidden money, has seen its staff and budget slashed 14 to 18 percent since the recession.

https://www.commondreams.org/views/2018/11/26/facts-privileged-americans-dont-want-us-know


Do people still want to slash the IRS budget?

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qman said:

krypto2000 said:

Again, no one is arguing a wall wouldn't make it more secure, we're arguing it's not economical. We have put a much cheaper fence up in key choke points. You guys want to put up a much more costly wall acrosd the entire southern border. This is like building a $1000 fence to add privacy to your $120,000 homs vs a $20,000 25 foot high concrete wall to do it. An intelligent person would go with the fence and maybe some security cameras or an alarm system, a total moron would go woth the concrete barrier.

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"it's not economical"

That's a matter of opinion, BTW $5 billion is a drop in the bucket relative to the finances of the US government.

In the month of November, the Federal government borrowed $205 billion. It's time to put the money needed for a wall into a proper perspective.

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XUL said:

I'm not sure what you're talking about.

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krypto2000 said:

Your argument is as weak as your character.

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koods said:

I’m for a wall that Mexico pays for as promised

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Yup, first problem right there, someone said something they maybe should have thought more about first.
The Grand Poobah can't even negotiate a deal with the neighbors to build a fence

Stable Genius said:

Bill_Oreilly said:

You told me the name of a man who has a hypothesis that can't be proven or unproven at this time. That's all you did.

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Laughing out aloud, being a statistician he used statistical analysis, from a couple of different sources, with the best stuff paid for by yourself and other U.S. taxpayers(assuming you pay your taxes Bill?) delivered in a talk to the State Department(pssst, that's part of your government)

Bill_Oreilly said:

The guy is talking out of his ass.

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No sadly I'm afraid there is only one person doing that at the moment.


'carn Bill, you can do better, I know you can.
Try Googling 'Debunking Hans Rosling' maybe that will help you out... geez do I have to do all the work?

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Bill_Oreilly said:

I'm not against illegal immigrants. Im against overpopulation. Let us not forget that's what it all boils down too in the end.

If there was 1 billion people on earth we could be living in a much better world.

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Bill_Oreilly said:

You never see any poor people on those t.v. shows who document families with 15  kids

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Bill_Oreilly said:

I'd rather use my own common sense than to go to "Imright.com"

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... there is nothing wrong with showing responsibility and wanting to live sustainably, and the best way to use common sense is with the facts.
Guatemala has the highest child birth rate in the America's at just 24/1000 people, so you can wind the hysteria down a notch. It's not like countries are bursting at the seams.

Also, there are 7 billion people on earth, wishing for 6 billion to not be here is not helpful and a slightly unnerving way to add things up.


@MagicMush123  maybe Trump could ask Obama to show him how he negotiated building that one?

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New Jersey prosecutors have collected evidence that supervisors at President Trump’s Garden State golf club may have committed federal immigration crimes — and the FBI as well as special counsel Robert Mueller have played part in the inquiry, the Daily News has learned.

Anibal Romero, a Newark attorney who represents several undocumented immigrants who used to work at the Trump National Golf Club in Bedminster, said Friday he recently met with investigators from the state attorney general’s office and handed over fraudulent green cards and Social Security numbers that management at the club allegedly procured and gave his clients, Victorina Morales and Sandra Diaz.

Mueller’s office, which is separately investigating Trump’s campaign for possible collusion with Russians during the 2016 election, made contact and informed Romero the matter was not within their jurisdiction.

A few weeks later, an FBI agent in New Jersey called Romero.

“He said to me that he had received a referral from Robert Mueller’s office and that he already knew the specifics and that he wanted to meet with me in person,” Romero said.

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Morales and Diaz first came forward with their allegations in interviews with The New York Times earlier this month.

Both women allege management at the Trump club knew they were undocumented and set them up with fake work documents.

In Morales’ case, Romero said a supervisor compiled all of her information and then took her photo in the laundry room of the club.

A few days later, the boss — who’s not being named by The News — told Morales he had received her fake documents and said he would hold on to them.

“This was a practice and pattern,” Romero said. “My clients felt like they were trapped and they felt like the fake documents could be used against them.”

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