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Re: BUILD THE WALL [Re: qman]
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Lol the polish were the Mexicans of the day. Your ancestors were no better. I would argue that since the US occupied territory that used to belong to Mexico, they have a more legitimate claim to be here than a pollock.


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

Edited by koods (12/27/18 12:59 PM)

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Re: BUILD THE WALL [Re: koods]
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koods said:
qman said:
koods said:
Bill_Oreilly said:
I think we all can agree that letting more people into the country undocumented or not, Mexican or not, isn't good for the United States. .


Wrong

https://news.gallup.com/poll/235793/record-high-americans-say-immigration-good-thing.aspx


Not a good poll at all.


Yeah Gallup is a fly by night operation :rolleyes:


They're asking general questions to highly ignorant people on the subject matter.

https://www.ipsos.com/en-us/news-polls/americans-views-immigration-policy

Most people don't even know how many illegal or legal immigrants live in the US, so how can they give an educated opinion on the current levels of immigration?  They can't because they're highly uninformed on the subject.

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Re: BUILD THE WALL [Re: qman] * 1
    #25705737 -

Didn't you just claim the other day thst there were 10's of millions of illegsls crossing the border while in actuality theres only estimated to be about 13 million in total within the country?

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Re: BUILD THE WALL [Re: koods]
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koods said:
Lol the polish were the Mexicans of the day. Your ancestors were no better. I would argue that since the US occupied territory that used to belong to Mexico, they have a more legitimate claim to be here than a pollock.


That's my point, my ancestors came here and instantly undercut the wages in the mills by -25% to -50%, that's a really nice introduction to the native population. :lol:

BTW, they were often recruited in Poland for those jobs.

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Re: BUILD THE WALL [Re: krypto2000]
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krypto2000 said:
Didn't you just claim the other day thst there were 10's of millions of illegsls crossing the border while in actuality theres only estimated to be about 13 million in total within the country?


We both know there's various estimates on the current level of illegals living in the US today, but most people are unaware of either estimates. That's the issue here. 

People can disagree on those estimates, but at least they have some understanding of those levels. That's completely different from being totally ignorant of the estimates.

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Re: BUILD THE WALL [Re: qman]
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Right, but at no point were there 10's of millions of illegals crossing the border. The highest estimate is 20 million illegals even being in the country, half of those are overstaying their visa, by no means are they all immigrants from south of the border, and "crossing the border" does not imply from now through US history, it imples currently, at present, current tense vs past tense. It seems like you're applying a double standard to me, calling others dumb while dismissing similar mistakes you have made.

And what do you mean, it's good thst the polish undercut wages by 25-50%? I thought that was the very issue you had eith the illegsp immigrants? The polish csme over and took jobs from the "natives" and drove doen wages and thats good, people from south of the border do it and it's  bad? The fuck?

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Re: BUILD THE WALL [Re: krypto2000]
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krypto2000 said:
Right, but at no point were there 10's of millions of illegals crossing the border. The highest estimate is 20 million illegals even being in the country, half of those are overstaying their visa, by no means are they all immigrants from south of the border, and "crossing the border" does not imply from now through US history, it imples currently, at present, current tense vs past tense. It seems like you're applying a double standard to me, calling others dumb while dismissing similar mistakes you have made.

And what do you mean, it's good thst the polish undercut wages by 25-50%? I thought that was the very issue you had eith the illegsp immigrants? The polish csme over and took jobs from the "natives" and drove doen wages and thats good, people from south of the border do it and it's  bad? The fuck?


Again, there's varying estimates on the illegal immigration population, what mistake did I ever make on it, or you're trying to win an argument on semantics? 

What did I post that suggested it was "good" the Poles undercut the wages?  Obviously, you didn't pick up on my sarcasm- "nice introduction to the naïve population".

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Re: BUILD THE WALL [Re: qman]
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qman said:
koods said:
Bill_Oreilly said:
I think we all can agree that letting more people into the country undocumented or not, Mexican or not, isn't good for the United States. .


Wrong

https://news.gallup.com/poll/235793/record-high-americans-say-immigration-good-thing.aspx


Not a good poll at all.



Koods goes to ImRight.com whenever he researches information.


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.

It's just a shot away..

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Re: BUILD THE WALL [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #25705891 -

Bill_Oreilly said:
qman said:
koods said:
Bill_Oreilly said:
I think we all can agree that letting more people into the country undocumented or not, Mexican or not, isn't good for the United States. .


Wrong

https://news.gallup.com/poll/235793/record-high-americans-say-immigration-good-thing.aspx


Not a good poll at all.



Koods goes to ImRight.com whenever he researches information.


It's really not his fault, most polls are biased and ask loaded questions to obtain the results they're pursuing.

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Re: BUILD THE WALL [Re: qman]
    #25705899 -

Facebook has taught me that you can literally find anything on the internet too support your argument..no matter what it is.

I'll see people post things like "Study reveals that fruits and vegetables may be bad for you!"

Things like that


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.

It's just a shot away..

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Re: BUILD THE WALL [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #25705903 -

No. The facts just don’t line up with your claim that everybody agrees we should stop immigration to the US.

These were the questions and responses

On the whole, do you think immigration is a good thing or a bad thing for this country today?
Good: 75%

On the whole, do you think legal immigration is a good thing or a bad thing for this country today?
Good: 84%

I guess qman thinks 84% of the population are just ignorant fools


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

Edited by koods (12/27/18 02:50 PM)

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Re: BUILD THE WALL [Re: koods]
    #25705919 -

I said that at this point it is better to limit the people coming into the United States.

Have you seen the fucking traffic in Boston :lol:


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.

It's just a shot away..

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Re: BUILD THE WALL [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #25705977 -

Well we have pretty damn restricted immigration compared to the rest of the world. The percentage of foreign born residents in the US is less than most other similar countries like Canada and the EU.


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: BUILD THE WALL [Re: koods] * 1
    #25706007 -

koods said:
No. The facts just don’t line up with your claim that everybody agrees we should stop immigration to the US.

These were the questions and responses

On the whole, do you think immigration is a good thing or a bad thing for this country today?
Good: 75%

On the whole, do you think legal immigration is a good thing or a bad thing for this country today?
Good: 84%

I guess qman thinks 84% of the population are just ignorant fools


On the subject of immigration in the US, it's been proven that they are ignorant fools.  It's not their fault if they haven't studied the basic facts and answered loaded questions based on emotion.

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Re: BUILD THE WALL [Re: qman] * 1
    #25706014 -

Lol

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Re: BUILD THE WALL [Re: Bill_Oreilly] * 2
    #25706022 -

Bill_Oreilly said:
I'm not against illegal immigrants. Im against overpopulation. Let us not forget that's what it all boils down too in the end.



Lifting people out of poverty is THE number 1 driver for lower population growth.
Just saying.

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Re: BUILD THE WALL [Re: Stable Genius]
    #25706120 -

Stable Genius said:
Bill_Oreilly said:
I'm not against illegal immigrants. Im against overpopulation. Let us not forget that's what it all boils down too in the end.



Lifting people out of poverty is THE number 1 driver for lower population growth.
Just saying.



You never see any poor people on those t.v. shows who document families with 15+ kids

And uhh..i think not having kids is the number one driver for lowering population growth.

Abortion helps too


--------------------
Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.

It's just a shot away..

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Re: BUILD THE WALL [Re: Bill_Oreilly] * 1
    #25706168 -

You don't see poor people on shows period unless they're in jail or getting arrested. Do your research, your personal anrcdotes do not refute Koods point which should be common knowledge.

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Re: BUILD THE WALL [Re: Bill_Oreilly] * 1
    #25706175 -

Yes not having as many kids is the number 1 driver for lowering population growth, you are correct Bill.
And lifting people out of poverty is the number 1 driver that moves them towards not having as many kids
Abortion mmmmm I doubt many would accept the offer, contraception definitely.

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Re: BUILD THE WALL [Re: koods] * 1
    #25706308 -

koods said:
I guess qman thinks 84% of the population are just ignorant fools


You disagree?

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