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Re: Could you advise any SANE books about psychedelics? [Re: PrimalSoup]
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PrimalSoup said:
Several books by John Lilly are worth recommending, "Center of the Cyclone" for one.




I saw that book as a young teen, age 13 and grabbed it with both hands.

Having arrived at the Center of the Cyclone on MXE, a Ketamine analog invented decades later by a member of the Bluelight forum, I know that the voice in the back of my head had been right, that I'd ride it for real, on a PCP analog.


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Re: Could you advise any SANE books about psychedelics? [Re: Asante]
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i am reading at the moment which may be of an interest,

Magic Mushroom Explorer. Ppsilocybin and the awakening earth. by Simon G Powell

"In 2005 Simon, who is British, presented the Powell Report (chapter 4) to the House of Commons in an attempt to keep fresh psilocybin mushrooms legal or at least to persuade the U.K. government to gather more safety evidence"

Get past the title and it is reading quite well at the moment.

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Re: Could you advise any SANE books about psychedelics? [Re: Asante]
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Asante said:
PrimalSoup said:
Several books by John Lilly are worth recommending, "Center of the Cyclone" for one.




I saw that book as a young teen, age 13 and grabbed it with both hands.

Having arrived at the Center of the Cyclone on MXE, a Ketamine analog invented decades later by a member of the Bluelight forum, I know that the voice in the back of my head had been right, that I'd ride it for real, on a PCP analog.



I have to laugh at John Lily being recommended here, not that I don't think his books are great they are but at the idea of him writing "sane" books on psychedelics . His books tend to be really out there, Lily was quite an eccentric and unusual individual. I mean phoning the president to warn him about Solid State Entity? ECCO?

But this raises the question of what sane really means. I think the reason that so many people who experimented with psychedelics come up with insane sounding theories is because it sort of comes with the territory. Take enough psychedelics and you will probably have your own "insane" theories. Reality is just really weird and we have no idea what's actually going on behind the scenes.


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Re: Could you advise any SANE books about psychedelics? [Re: Peyote Road]
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I suppose definitions of "sanity" vary depending on what societal norms are willing to tolerate.  It's not worth paying that much mind if you're truly interesting in the exploration, and less in communicating it, or profiting from that communication.

ECCO is truly one of the more inspired IDs suggested for synchronistic effects. And since they are deeply embedded in the natural world there's nothing at all wrong with the notion.  I've found it very useful over the last 40 years or so, personally speaking. :awesomenod:


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Re: Could you advise any SANE books about psychedelics? [Re: PrimalSoup]
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Why limit yourself to drug literature? There is much other relevant material on the mind.
For instance the works of Milton Erickson are mindblowing but contain no mysticism what so ever. But whatever you do make sure to avoid reading anything about Buddhism as it might fuck with your reductionist scientific agenda. Even secular Buddhism could prove dangerous.

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Re: Could you advise any SANE books about psychedelics? [Re: melanoxylon] * 1
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I haven't read any of John Lilly's writing on Ketamine but I do know of Journeys Into The Bright World by Marcia Moore and Howard Alltounian reviewed here

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Long before the Shulgins’ alphabetamine love stories appeared on bookstore shelves, Marcia Moore and Howard Alltounian gave us Journeys Into the Bright World, a drug travelogue focused on the transpersonal effects of ketamine. As with Into the Void, there’s a strong woo-woo vibe: Moore was a New Age author-lecturer. I initially wondered how Alltounian, a doctor trained in Western medicine, so comfortably embraced his wife’s paranormal views. Yet as I continued to read, Moore’s interpretation of ketamine’s effects within her belief structure—embracing past lives, archetypes, the Tarot, and assorted psychic phenomena—never seemed to bother me. Without proselytizing, she simply describes the ketamine experience from the perspective of her own ideological framework.

Moore presents sincere, detailed accounts of the wide range of ketamine’s psychological effects. She points out the important role that music can have in directing a K session, she waxes poetic on its effect on language, and she eventually comes to feel that ketamine allows users to access internal dualistic sub-personalities that unconsciously affect one’s daily choices.

Moore is clearly the main author of the text and the primary champion of ketamine. Alltounian’s contributions take the form of transcriptions from tape recordings that he made during his K voyages with Moore. Writing a book about their “bright world” forced the pair to face the possible negative consequences that advocating drug-inspired spiritual insights might have on their established careers. Yet the benefits they believed the world-at-large might gain ultimately compelled them to publish their findings. Unfortunately, as the tale unfolds, hints are dropped that Moore’s ketamine use is becoming problematic. Near the book’s conclusion, Moore is told to stay away from ketamine by John Lilly, the infamous scientist who researched floatation tanks and dolphins. Lilly had acquired his own ketamine monkey; his advice should have been heeded. However, Moore seems to have succumbed to addiction.

In a tragic end to this story, a year after publication, Moore became one of the few ketamine-related fatalities on record. Apparently, in an attempt to hide her ketamine use from her increasingly concerned husband, she went outside on a freezing-cold night, climbed into a tree, and after a number of injections, ended up dying from exposure. Her skeleton was found over two years later. After that, Alltounian’s view of ketamine became darker, and Moore’s children have demanded that Erowid take down a PDF of the book. Journeys Into the Bright World may be viewed as the cautionary tale from a more naïve time in the history of this fascinating yet problematic psychoactive drug.



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Re: Could you advise any SANE books about psychedelics? [Re: ChRnZN]
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Thanks for the info and link.
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Re: Could you advise any SANE books about psychedelics? [Re: laughingdog]
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That last bit of the story is rather odd. First of all, using ketamine in a tree sounds like a recipe for disaster. You'd think someone as experienced as she apparently was would choose to use it on the ground. Secondly, the effects of ketamine are relatively short lived. You would think that after coming out of a K hole she would realize she was getting cold and want to go warm up a bit before the next injection.  You'd also think she would dress extremely warmly if her intention was to binge on ketamine outdoors in the winter. And why did it take them 2 years to find her skeleton? Did they live near a vast wilderness and why did she go so far from the house?


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Re: Could you advise any SANE books about psychedelics? [Re: Peyote Road]
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Addiction makes people do some strange things.

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Re: Could you advise any SANE books about psychedelics? [Re: ChRnZN]
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Check out Frank by Jim Woodring.


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Re: Could you advise any SANE books about psychedelics? [Re: 420happyhippy]
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"Psychedelic Information Theory"
http://psychedelic-information-theory.com/toc.php

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Re: Could you advise any SANE books about psychedelics? [Re: sacramentum]
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How is it that nobody mentioned Shulgin's PIHKAL and TIHKAL?! :shocked:


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Re: Could you advise any SANE books about psychedelics? [Re: PsyduckMonkey]
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Be Here Now


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