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I see, this is what you are on about. I won't be your megaphone.

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that should be much easier to analyze than the relatedness of the water cycle, the life cycle of corals, the melting of polar ice-caps, the reflectance of the atmosphere, photosynthesis, combustion, oil, and coal formation, the geologic record, the loss of species over the last 20 years in comparison to any previous period in history or geologic records, how agriculture and industry put stresses on these natural systems, and how humans can modify their carbon footprints

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humans exist. the earth deals, and animals don't care. they aren't stupid enough to think they can logic their way out of having to accept the existence of other forces than themselves, which are more prevalent and thus need more resources, and room, to live. plus, they actually don't fucking care. or...are you gonna show me scientific proof that they care?

ice-core data is skewed
http://blog.heartland.org/2013/07/exposing-the-global-warming-fraud/

and miscalculated
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-018-25862-2
https://www.nature.com/articles/ngeo1797

warming trends are cyclic
http://ossfoundation.us/projects/environment/global-warming/natural-cycle

and it what we are seeing - if we are seeing a "cooling trend", that's because of the cyclic nature of the waning & waxing of pressure systems, hence the very nature of it's cycling, which the Poles contribute to in their being MAGNETIC POLES.

the poles have "flipped" before causing havoc...did modern industry do that, too?

no.

the water cycle? what about it? 10 billion people on the planet...industry is needed...ergo, what can you functionally do about whatever issue you even have? you want to stop pollution...start be getting rid of the biggest contributor to C02 in the environment, Cows. alot of killing to do, better snap to it.

the geologic record? what about it? it tells something about what we can do to help 10 billion people how to live with out energy from coal?

species have been lost at record rates, recently? how does this even relate? how do you know this isn't even common- how far back do the Zoological records, go? not far, not more than a few hundred years, at best, in it's contemporary form.

agriculture...god, I had to stop an bask at the sophomoric nature of this statement including this term. yes, agricultural shift changed the face of the planet, since it's inception millenia ago. AND SO? what, when we need it MOST, with the population we have, we just what? STOP? what's your suggestion about the natural process of cultivating the land for the survival of the species- which we've been doing for longer than most creatures remain non-exinct. what do you think?

coal formation? what about it? WE NEED ENERGY TO EVEN RESEARCH ALTERNATIVE ENERGY.

life cycles of corals? again, uhhh...what does this have to do with SURVIVAL?

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LOL, Britannica is the most biased and shit-stained encyclopædia, so no wonder you promote nothing but agenda.

you don't even know where encyclopædia's come from (see: Encyclical). YOU should research that, AND Britannica, and it's origins. holy shit, see because, without this, there will be no getting through to you, anyway. you think big-government and big-business is "good" when it makes something like Encyclopædia Britannica, lol, but when it's something they want you to not like, you follow lead spectacularly.

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ad hominems (@britannica &  @encyclopedia) to discount known scientific facts

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clever seeming word origin play to support political skewing

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cherry picked obscure sources to bolster weak arguments

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isolated crackpot scientists raised to authrotity

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erroneous interpretation of the meaning of climate cycles

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complete disregard for extinctions currently due to human destruction of ecological niches.

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erroneous sense of time scale to minimize the current crisis

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Rahz said:

Another link for contrast.

http://www.hirhome.com/climate_change/global_warming_faq.htm

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He is a prime example of simply wanting to pull out all the stops to feed his greed.

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The relationship with his wife is anything but caring and he seems to be an entirely absentee father.

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If he cares not for the mother of his son or his son owing to his off-the-scale narcissism, he doesn't care about his own health either. He is obese, he eats McDonald's cheeseburgers while lying in bed

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wow, do you hate every fat person, too?

i'm sure fat fathers hurt their children's feelings sometimes with their narcissism. then again, well, you are just assuming things, though, after all.

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He could not possibly care about the ecology of our universal biosphere given these personal proclivities. After all, he is an abysmally petty man.

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OK, there are other climate deniers but they take their lead from lying pundits' as well as the lying moron Trump who calls climate change a "Chinese hoax," and who is too stupid to learn the difference between climate and weather. But the obvious thing lies with the word denier which is denial. It reminds me of the anti-tobacco videos I'd show the kids I worked with for 27 years. Often the kids in the vids would be introduced to adults who were terminally ill from smoking-caused diseases and they'd shake their heads and say "That's not gonna happen to me." Look at Yoko Ono, a lifetime smoker who says that she's not going to get cancer because she eats a macrobiotic diet. She may not get cancer but it's not gonna be because of her diet, and that's just denial plus rationalization.

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Religion does play a role among those people who are biblical literalists, whose cognitive abilities have never attained to Formal Operational Thinking but who are forever stuck in Concrete Operational Thinking. They cannot think about thinking. There is no reflection, no capacity for abstraction, very little if any critical thinking ability at all. These people are not making a sacrificium intellectus, they have little intellection to begin with and have a childish 'belief' regarding the biblical saying, "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth" - Genesis 1:26. Unfortunately, most people construe dominion for domination, and the planet has been dominated to the point where extinction of species has begun. These people do not understand that we are but another specie on the same planet and we do not have preternatural or supernatural status above the other creatures of this world. The poor bastards in their snake-handling Ozark churches don't matter much, but the same attitude prevails among the titans of industry who trophy hunt for fun - the really evil humanoids who are pulling out the stops and setting any ecological progress back half a century.

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Denial, Rationalization (God is in charge and He'll protect us), Repression (pushing the scientific truth out of consciousness), and Reaction Formation (poo-pooing the actually grave situation we are in and adopting a sunny if not dismissive attitude towards 90+% of climate scientists), Displacement (Trump blaming climate change on the Chinese as a hoax), and possibly some other defense mechanisms are in play. But these are the falsehoods by which people continue to act as if resources on earth (including, air, water, uncontaminated soil) are limitless. They say "You can't fix stupid," but by God this better be wrong or the whole world is gonna become some dystopian Soylent Green nightmare faster than anyone but the creators of that film ever feared.

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let's see you do something about evidencing your beliefs, and rationalizing why people should be foisted into things they don't want.

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this isn't about making trump worse or better than anyone, and who cares if it is worse or better than anyone.

Where's relevant and compelling climate science on either side of the issue. that's all that belongs here.

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redgreenvines said:

I wonder what Harold Lewis thinks about the last few years of coral bleachings and loss of polar habitats for our northern species.
An extinction process is clearly underway due to global temperature rise.
The ocean water moderates the planet's surface temperature, but it is stressed into heating more than cooling, and we deduce that greenhouse gas retention of solar radiant heat is the cause. That is not refuted by an old physicist's rant about grant money.

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