Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

qman said:

Is that so?  China, India and others are joining the party, or France is doing it all on their own?

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Pretty much everyone is joining the party, except the US.  At least the US's most populous state is also joining the party. 

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

XUL said:

France is crushing their people with a large fuel tax to support a global warming agenda.

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They're doing it to slow global warming.

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XUL said:

Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

XUL said:

France is crushing their people with a large fuel tax to support a global warming agenda.

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They're doing it to slow global warming.

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I would argue that crushing your populace to achieve a lesser magnitude of climate change is unethical -- unless the populace is happy about the plan. From what I understand, around 80% of the French populace is opposed to this tax increase. At this point, it seems like the people are enslaved to do the bidding of Macron and the undemocratically elected EU elites.

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You didn't know, lowering the standard of living for French citizens is in their own interest. 

XUL said:

Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

XUL said:

France is crushing their people with a large fuel tax to support a global warming agenda.

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They're doing it to slow global warming.

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I would argue that crushing your populace to achieve a lesser magnitude of climate change is unethical -- unless the populace is happy about the plan. From what I understand, around 80% of the French populace is opposed to this tax increase. At this point, it seems like the people are enslaved to do the bidding of Macron and the undemocratically elected EU elites.

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JHOVA said:

Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

Pretty much everyone is joining the party, except the US.  At least the US's most populous state is also joining the party. 

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Christ you are wrong. https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=201720180AB1745
We are in the process of setting a date of 2040 when all gasoline cars are banned and we also have a law banning coal and natural gas as sources for electricity. Thats sb100. In additionto those we just passed a gas tax increase and car registration increase. The point is to make driving your car so expensive everyone is forced into mega cities with stack and pack apartments. Lots of parallels to frances situation of squeezing the rural white working class. The people have had enough with neoliberalism.

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JHOVA said:

Christ you are wrong. https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=201720180AB1745
We are in the process of setting a date of 2040 when all gasoline cars are banned and we also have a law banning coal and natural gas as sources for electricity. Thats sb100. In additionto those we just passed a gas tax increase and car registration increase. The point is to make driving your car so expensive everyone is forced into mega cities with stack and pack apartments. Lots of parallels to frances situation of squeezing the rural white working class. The people have had enough with neoliberalism.


“What does eco terrorism in the united states have to do with france?” Really dude you cant see he parallels of globalist leaders enforcing this crap?

“things i know nothing about are conspiracies except russiagate”

https://sustainabledevelopment.un.org/content/documents/21252030 Agenda for Sustainable Development web.pdf
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Compact_for_Migration

Read that from the horses mouth.

One thing few are mentioning is the massive amounts of unemployed economic migrants weighing down the entire system in france. Since 2008 france has taken in 530,000 immigrants. 400,00 in paris alone. They are averaging 550 new arrivals a day. 550 x 365 = 200,750/year. THey cant even work in france with their strict labor laws. Lol.

Hatefacts
https://www.statista.com/statistics/686137/net-migration-france/
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/05/30/french-police-clear-paris-migrant-camp/

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qman said:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/rrapier/2018/07/01/china-emits-more-carbon-dioxide-than-the-u-s-and-eu-combined/#19874aae628c

China and India are stuck at very high levels. It's not good.

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You should know better than to cite Forbes by now.  I don't think they've ever written an honest article.

China's population is almost double that of the US and the EU combined.  I've shown before that China's per capita emissions are lower than the EU and MUCH lower than the US.  And India's are far lower than China.

Quote:

Assemblymember Phil Ting (D-San Francisco), the bill’s author, pulled it for 2018 and will reintroduce it in 2019.

Said Assemblyman Ting, “If we want clean air, we need clean cars. For the sake of our health and our environment, we need to move away from gas-powered vehicles. While we won’t be able to achieve that through AB 1745 this year, California will get there … just as Norway, India, China, France and Great Britain have committed to doing. This is only the beginning. I’ll continue fighting for Clean Cars 2040 because it puts us on a path to a cleaner future.”

We at the Center for Climate Protection thank you for taking action this year in support of AB 1745. Our strategy will now transition from a sprint to a marathon, and we’ll be in touch.

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qman said:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/france-backs-down-delays-tax-increases-after-paris-riots-n943381

Oh no, the climate is now going to ruin the world. 

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qman said:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/france-backs-down-delays-tax-increases-after-paris-riots-n943381

Oh no, the climate is now going to ruin the world. 

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The Ecstatic said:

qman said:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/france-backs-down-delays-tax-increases-after-paris-riots-n943381

Oh no, the climate is now going to ruin the world. 

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The protests aren’t about denying climate change. They’re about an economic system that continuously punishes the working class instead of taxing the wealthy.

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That's what I have been stating throughout the whole thread, maybe you should tell that to the others that were denying that fact.    They were convinced it's about saving the world from climate change.

christopera said:

No, not a single person argued that the protests were about denying/saving the world from climate change.

You attempted to discredit the need for the fuel tax by saying France isn't going to save the world.

The arguments were pretty cut and dry, except when you feel the need to misrepresent them.

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christopera said:

I think pain was the intention of the tax. The idea is to spur a transition of technology, especially to more efficient homes and electric car technology. If you look at the links I posted above you'll see EV's are starting to sell rather well.

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The Ecstatic said:

The right is trying like hell to co opt the protests as some sort of rebuke against climate change and immigrants but, shockingly, they’re arguing in bad faith.

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qman said:

christopera said:

No, not a single person argued that the protests were about denying/saving the world from climate change.

You attempted to discredit the need for the fuel tax by saying France isn't going to save the world.

The arguments were pretty cut and dry, except when you feel the need to misrepresent them.

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No, you stated that the tax proposal was about "transition of technology", not economics.

christopera said:

I think pain was the intention of the tax. The idea is to spur a transition of technology, especially to more efficient homes and electric car technology. If you look at the links I posted above you'll see EV's are starting to sell rather well.

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