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Re: 4 gr dried at first try. Something went wrong. [Re: Rango]
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Rango said:OJ is acidic as well so shouldn't that work the same way?



From what I have read, no.


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Re: 4 gr dried at first try. Something went wrong. [Re: Rango] * 1
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I would also like to add that I believe watching a screen on the come up can distract you out of tripping.
I believe you have to give the sacrament full attention and respect to get benefits from it.
Could have just been the multispore potency lottery though.
Leaving them to grow too long is also not going to be helpful to potency.
Funny thing about dem mangos, you have to pick em when they're juuuust ripe.


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Re: 4 gr dried at first try. Something went wrong. [Re: 2in1]
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Lemon juice should be around 10 times more acidic than OJ.
I don't like lemon Tek though it's like shroom crack.
As long as you don't have a full of food belly, you're not on depressant medication and your shrooms are of average potency I have found lemon Tek to be unnecessary.

I would suggest waiting to come up in a dark and silent room with no distractions.


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Re: 4 gr dried at first try. Something went wrong. [Re: 2in1]
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Don’t worry about the maoi yet.

The extra time you waited to harvest and less than ideal conditions is likely throwing off the dosing.

Try 3.5g in one dose first. The redosing was spaced out by quite a bit of time in your description.
Empty stomach, chopped small, tea is my preferred method.

Next time, harvest just as/before the veil breaks and then try 2g at first. 😊

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Re: 4 gr dried at first try. Something went wrong. [Re: Shr00mEater]
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Thanks guys. I've been reading up on Lemon Tek. Some ppl report NO nausea on lemon tek which would be way better IMO. I didn't enjoy nausea at all. I will be doing 3g with organic bought lemon, just not to introduce pesidesides traces into the mix.

Would heavy washing of mushrooms (to get the spores off of them) with water wash out active ingredients out of mushies since psilocybin it's slightly soluble in water? That would sort of explain no significant effects??
 
Some of the batch (not all) i literally gave them submerged bath wash in pot with holes. Other batch i just used paper towel but got impatient after 3 hrs of clean up and cleaned the rest that way. If that is the case possible 50% of my batch is dud then. I'm only speculating here since i read psilocybin is soluble in water.

Also when i did it with OJ i didn't' let it seat in it so that didn't much on extraction process either.

BTW anyone tried this method, Lemon Tea Tek: Let it sit in lemon juice 20 minutes, then pour hot tea over and let sit for another 10min. Further extraction and cooling of tea too. Then, filter with coffee filter and drink. Allowing enough time for conversion, and then extraction into the tea. Acid plus heat for extraction purposes and then you just drinking tasty Lemon Tea which has pure psilocin in there in theory.

Here is another version of this but different
https://www.reddit.com/r/Drugs/comments/4068q0/shroom_tea_recipe_with_lemon_tek_effect_and_no/

Wouldn't this eliminate nausea completely? I'm reading that acid (lemon pH=2.0) and heat (tea) is best method of converting into psilosin. The coffee filter would also eliminate all mushroom particles which causes Nausea?

Interesting tek but i stills will be doing straight lemon tek first. If Lemon Tek fails i will try Lemon Tea Tek then...

If Lemon Tea Tek will fails me i will be trying it with Blackcurrant Juice which i read is MAOI. Extract to lemon juice then dump lemon juice into glass of 8oz of Blackcurrent juice lol.....i'm getting creative here lol

Hopefully one of those will work. I will be watching Alice through the looking Glass movie. Happy Thanksgiving everyone.

Edited by Rango (11/22/18 04:50 PM)

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Re: 4 gr dried at first try. Something went wrong. [Re: Rango]
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One more thing. What's actually extracting psilocibin from mushies, the heat, the cold water the acid or all of the above?

For lemon tek after 20 min soak can i just filter out mushies material threw coffee filter (to avoid nausea). I read that mushies protein cause that nausea. Or is material necessary for the trip and lemon juice (acid) is extracting the psilocibin into juice?

BTW the info on of psilocibin into psilocin coversion is only i guess i'm assuming. I've also heard in documentary that psilocibin protects psilocin from being inactivated and stomach enzymes actually convert this and process that. Soft of like DMT being broken down and deactivated in oral form.

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Re: 4 gr dried at first try. Something went wrong. [Re: Rango]
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All of the above, the acid and heat pull the actives out of the mushroom into the water.

Recipe sounds good, add some honey or sugar before drinking to sweeten it up, the lemon will be tart.

The mushroom tissue is hard to digest because of chitin. So, filtering and drinking gives less nausea and imo a quicker on set, like 30-45 mins tops and you will be feeling it. Don’t eat anything like 3-4 hours before, try to keep that meal light.

I don’t wash my shrooms, but I know where they came from. A quick rinse would prob be ok, tho, if you rehydrated dry shrooms by soaking... I think your water will contain a good bit of actives.

If you wash them before drying, I make a guess that they take forever to dry and quality won’t be as good.

Are you using dried mushrooms or fresh? I forget and don’t want to go back and read?

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Re: 4 gr dried at first try. Something went wrong. [Re: Shr00mEater]
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They're all dried up. That's why i set them for 12 hrs drying time in dehyrdrator at 160F to makes sure they're cracker dry and they are.

Normally i would use 125F temp as that's what i read it's optimal temp for drying any type of mushrooms but since they were soaking wet i added temp and time.

On the next batch i'll makes sure they're not drooping spores so i don't have to deal with clean up and this hole mess now.

I also used ninja to turn them into fine dust as well before consuming in OJ.
The onset was actually very quick, 15 min but it was all body load and nausea, no visuals. I got all side effects and no real trip.

It's also possible that i'm one of those individuals that has high tolerance to it which would suck if so.

I think i'm gonna go for 4g this time around and also have lemon essential oil on hand as well, just in case. If i get sent to the moon then whatever.

Edited by Rango (11/23/18 02:28 PM)

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Re: 4 gr dried at first try. Something went wrong. [Re: Rango]
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Hmmm....so did 4 gr with lemon juice then dumped into tea, filtered threw coffee filter. Definitely eliminated body load and nausea.

So 4 gr did brought well being, and feels like some kind of brain storm inside my brain. Sort of feels like MDMA. Wavy energy it feels like. Definitely better then 2 gr that's for sure but still short of what my expectations were.

Slightly more vivid color and sound more pronounced slightly. One notices more details then when watching something. Sort of like details enhancer.

No visuals and no trip per say unless that's the trip lol. I still don't know that that is.

I will try 6 gr maybe 8 gr next time. What do u guys think?

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Re: 4 gr dried at first try. Something went wrong. [Re: Rango] * 1
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Sorry mate your shrooms are completely bunk or you are taking a medication that blocks them.
4g especially in tea would have me living my ancestors life deep in the jungle.


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Re: 4 gr dried at first try. Something went wrong. [Re: 2in1]
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2in1 said:
Sorry mate your shrooms are completely bunk or you are taking a medication that blocks them.
4g especially in tea would have me living my ancestors life deep in the jungle.


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Re: 4 gr dried at first try. Something went wrong. [Re: Rhizenburg]
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Thanks guys. My second flush i harvested them early so no dropped spores but got them right after vail broke. No water. Dehyradtor set to 125F and 4 hrs.

Everything was on point this time around. No excuses this time that something went wrong. We'll see and let you guys know.

I will be doing 3g this time via tea only.

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Re: 4 gr dried at first try. Something went wrong. [Re: Rango]
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Rango said: Dehyradtor set to 125F and 4 hrs.



Is that enough?
Maybe you should run them closer to 160 until you think they couldn't possibly get any dryer, and then another 4 hours for good measure.

They shouldn't be able to flex almost at all without snapping. More brittle than a spaghetti noodle.

Put em back in for another 12 hours.


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Re: 4 gr dried at first try. Something went wrong. [Re: Rhizenburg]
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Rhizenburg said:
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Rango said: Dehyradtor set to 125F and 4 hrs.



Is that enough?
Maybe you should run them closer to 160 until you think they couldn't possibly get any dryer, and then another 4 hours for good measure.

They shouldn't be able to flex almost at all without snapping. More brittle than a spaghetti noodle.

Put em back in for another 12 hours.


Mine runs 165 and 2/3 oz usually runs me 4/8 hours depending on how fat they are.


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Re: 4 gr dried at first try. Something went wrong. [Re: XnMe]
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So 3g orgazmed my brain. It was litterly better then sex. Those mofos bind to serotonin receptors like nothing else.

This batch was way better but no visuals and definitely i'm not talking to my ancestors but was in my bed curled up with eyes closed and my brain was having sex.

Maybe i'm one of those ppl that need way higher doses. 8g maybe. Maybe i should try different cube. I don't think there is anything wrong with this batch of cube tho. Thoughts?

Edited by Rango (12/03/18 11:07 PM)

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Re: 4 gr dried at first try. Something went wrong. [Re: Rango]
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Yeah they are dry. I have good dehydrator. Picture below is the last ration.

I'm feeling adventurous. I will be trying 4g dry with 20 oz blackcurrant concentrate juice. 




Edited by Rango (12/04/18 04:59 PM)

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Re: 4 gr dried at first try. Something went wrong. [Re: Rango]
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4g dry with blackcurrent juice gave me slight visuals when looking at the ceiling. The ceiling was moving in waves. I had to focus and look at it for prelong period of time thought. Not on its own. I think this was purely based on increasing of dosage not MAOI doing anything.

The initial onset was terrible, i was light headed and my legs felt heavy. Could barely walk. I also thought i was choking. I felt like i was going to pass out. I attribute that to MAOI. F this. I will not be doing MAOI again. MAOI is bad news. It didn't enhance anything IMO. It was blocking some things and i'm sure that's bad in general. I do believe MAOI can kill yo a$$.

I will try 5g next time in tea without any mumbo jumbo voodoo crap. I don't believe in lemon tek and i don't believe in MAOI do anything. Lemon tek didn't do sh1t for me and MAOI just made everything worst without adding anything positive. IMO slight visuals were dosage related. Negative side effects i described were MAOI related. I think tea is purest way of extracting this. Let stomach do conversion.

Lemon tek dephosphorization via lemon acid is a myth. If it does anything it deactivates psilocibyn and psilocyn via ingestion is not processed via oral method hence ppl add MAOI to Ayahuasca drink and i do think MAOI can kill you.

I also do think there is optimal dosage based on what John Hopkins established per kg of body weight. They say 30mg/70kg is high dosage and 20mg/70kg is optimal dosage.

I have not found this for myself yet since 4g barely give me any visuals. My weight is 200 lbs /90kg. I think 3g tickles me, 4g starts something and 5-8g will do something more. I may have to do this gradually as i don't know if the curve of dosage is exponential or linear.

Edited by Rango (12/05/18 05:38 PM)

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Re: 4 gr dried at first try. Something went wrong. [Re: Rango]
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Rango said:I also do think there is opitimal dosage besed on what John Hopkins established per kg of body weight. I have not found this for myself yet. My weight is 200 lbs /90kg. 
They say 30mg/70kg is high dosage and 20mg/70kg is optimal dosage.


That's outdated information. The study did not have a control group that took amounts independent of body weight - they just assumed that the dose should be proportional to body weight. AFAIK, the modern consensus is that body weight matters almost not at all.

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Re: 4 gr dried at first try. Something went wrong. [Re: Phenotype]
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Thanks bro. That's even more reason to go higher. I'm starting to think everyone is different and 3g for you may be high but does barely anything for me. Yet some girl will be on the moon on 1.5g. I think metabolism has a lot to do with dosage too. Maybe also species of cubes have different effect. Maybe i will have better luck with different strain.

I do feel my brain is fighting this every time thought. I don't know how to stop it doing this. It's like a fight. It thinks it's a poison i think. That's how if feels to me. I could be wrong but that's how it feels. :smile:

Edited by Rango (12/05/18 05:40 PM)

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Re: 4 gr dried at first try. Something went wrong. [Re: Rango]
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It sounds like your first flush was crap, possibly because of the washing.

I know you're probably anxious to have a great trip by now, but I would find the unmodified dose that works for you before I started messing around with things like blackcurrant juice. Too many variables.

And in case you missed it, spreading out the dose over time is a mistake. Take what you're gonna take all at once. If you wait an hour or two and take more, the second dose is greatly diminished by tolerance.

Edited by Phenotype (12/05/18 05:57 PM)

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