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4 gr dried at first try. Something went wrong.
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Hi guys. So i just did 4 dried grams of PESA by myself and i'm unimpressed.

So i started with 2gr and when no visuals after 2 hrs were happening i upped it to 3 then eventually 4gr within next 1.5 hrs.

The 2 gr kicked in pretty fast in 15min and it was getting intense body high but no visuals. It floored me to my bed and i was laying in the bed and watched avatar. No more vivid colors then normal viewing IMO. Weird.

Something went wrong as no visuals or i can't say i was tripping balls either and i should have been with 4gr dried. When i closed my eyes nothing either. Yeah i was high but body high and i'm not really into that. I was hoping for some visuals or laughing my ass off stupid for no reason. That didn't happen either.

Is my body resilient to psilocybin or what went wrong?

I'm not on any meds and i am very healthy individual at least i think so lol
I kept on snacking as i had no meal yet so that's the only thing i can think off but that wouldn't knock down 4 grams. I did it with orange juice.

I'm sort of pissed to be honest.

Edited by Rango (11/20/18 09:40 PM)

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Re: 4 gr dried at first try. Something went wrong. [Re: Rango]
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Yeah, stretching out doses to me make me feel I get to that lvl but lvl out there, need to chug a tea and you'll blast off, and sometime when I dose on a empty stomach and after the come up eat alittle food, it kinda sobers me up a bit but still buzzing


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Re: 4 gr dried at first try. Something went wrong. [Re: XnMe]
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I'm thinking of making myself a tea now on 2 gr and that will be 6 grams total. Insane.Thanks for feedback.

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Re: 4 gr dried at first try. Something went wrong. [Re: Rango]
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If you grew them are you sure they were 100% dry?

If you just got them from some dude they could have been ruined in storage or bunk in the first place, or it just wasn't the right time for you.


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Re: 4 gr dried at first try. Something went wrong. [Re: Rango]
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Have fun but taking doses as far apart as your doing is just prolong a certain lvl, or at least that's how it makes me feel, the tea might bump it up notch or your brain will be like dude I'm tiered wtf is happening lol cheers


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Re: 4 gr dried at first try. Something went wrong. [Re: XnMe]
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Check a dosing chart and that might help on getting the correct dose you want to get visuals


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Re: 4 gr dried at first try. Something went wrong. [Re: XnMe]
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XnMe said:
Have fun but taking doses as far apart as your doing is just prolong a certain lvl, or at least that's how it makes me feel, the tea might bump it up notch or your brain will be like dude I'm tiered wtf is happening lol cheers


Yeah it's my grow. I had to wash off spores off of them as they sprayed and it was my first grow. I let them grow extra long. It was a good grow but they were wet. Then i dried them with dehydrator at 160F for 12 hrs as they were literally wetttt. They were turn into dust if i would try to break them apart. I mean it would break in but parts were turning into dust.

I also made sure that my ration were both big caps and big stems along with short ones too to make sure big once were potent once, so i hope.

btw i didn't make a tea as its way too late now to retry so i will have to do it next week as i read one needs to wait few days before retry.

Edited by Rango (11/20/18 11:44 PM)

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Re: 4 gr dried at first try. Something went wrong. [Re: Rango]
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The dehydration time might have hurt them (I'm not positive) cuz mine usually take 4 to 8 depending on how much I put in and that's like 3 oz at Max.
I don't have a temperature knob so I just turn it on and it goes.
But honestly I think it was how you dosed


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Re: 4 gr dried at first try. Something went wrong. [Re: XnMe]
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XnMe said:
The dehydration time might have hurt them (I'm not positive) cuz mine usually take 4 to 8 depending on how much I put in and that's like 3 oz at Max.
I don't have a temperature knob so I just turn it on and it goes.
But honestly I think it was how you dosed


Hmmm...so they say for very first trip to try 1.5 grams max. I did 2gr all at once and when no visuals were happening i just added 1 gram 2 hrs later then another gram 45 min later. I mean 4 gr is huge dose for first time trip ain't it?

The body high was there which wasn't that pleasant but the visuals were not and music didn't do anything for me either and no vivid colors either. Based on body high i mean something was happening but just not what i expected.

The drying time higher as they were litterly soaked wet from me washing spores off with dump paper towl. I read psilocibin stability is til 220F or higher which is why you can pour boiling water on shrooms while making tea and still have unaffected plilocibin.

I will try 3gr tea with lemon next time. Hopefully it will kick my a$$. lol

Edited by Rango (11/21/18 12:17 AM)

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Re: 4 gr dried at first try. Something went wrong. [Re: Rango]
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Rango said:
I will try 3gr tea with lemon next time. Hopefully it will kick my a$$. lol


Might put your dick right in the dirt.

In my experience shrooms are the most hit or miss drug of them all.

You could miss on 4g and just be high, or you could hit on 4g and not find your hand.

On average I's say 4g you should be seeing things crawl and bend and be too high to speak well. IMHE


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Re: 4 gr dried at first try. Something went wrong. [Re: Rhizenburg]
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Rhizenburg said:
Rango said:
I will try 3gr tea with lemon next time. Hopefully it will kick my a$$. lol


Might put your dick right in the dirt.

In my experience shrooms are the most hit or miss drug of them all.

You could miss on 4g and just be high, or you could hit on 4g and not find your hand.

On average I's say 4g you should be seeing things crawl and bend and be too high to speak well. IMHE


That's what i was hoping for. Anything visual would have been great to see but i was just high nothing more. I was able to walk around my place too.

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Re: 4 gr dried at first try. Something went wrong. [Re: Rhizenburg]
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If you want visuals you gotta dose high at first in my opinion, the way you did it gave your body time to level off a bit before reintroducing doses that mildly bring you back 'up'


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Re: 4 gr dried at first try. Something went wrong. [Re: Rango]
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If you have balls and want to hit.

Get 2 lemons and 1 lime.
Powder your 3g of shrooms into a bowl. (should be dry enough to crush to powder or your weight isn't right)

Cut the lemons/lime in half and squeeze all the juice into the bowl on top of your shroom powder. All the juice.
Mix it up good and let it sit for an hour. Stir it up a bit every 10 minutes.
After it has absorbed the fresh juice for an hour, stiring occasionally, drink it all in one shot.

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Re: 4 gr dried at first try. Something went wrong. [Re: Rhizenburg]
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If this is stronger then tea then i will do that. That sounds good.

I even used this to calculate my dose and it's based on body weight too.


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Re: 4 gr dried at first try. Something went wrong. [Re: Rango]
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It's called "lemon tek" and should be very strong, come on fast, very high peak, but not last as long. Search "lemon tek".

The strongest thing I know of other than adding maois but that is dangerous.


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Re: 4 gr dried at first try. Something went wrong. [Re: Rhizenburg]
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Thank you. I will try that.

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Re: 4 gr dried at first try. Something went wrong. [Re: Rango]
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See you on the other side Rango!


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Re: 4 gr dried at first try. Something went wrong. [Re: XnMe]
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XnMe said:
See you on the other side Rango!


LOL yeah just like in the movie. lol. Thanks guys for the feedback.

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Re: 4 gr dried at first try. Something went wrong. [Re: Rango]
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Oh shit, did that on complete accident


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Re: 4 gr dried at first try. Something went wrong. [Re: Rango]
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One more thing guys i'm confused on. Isn't Orange Juice same or similar ph as lemon juice. OJ is acidic as well so shouldn't that work the same way?

btw...i have plenty of Turmeric which is MAO-A and MAO-B at hand at home but i will not venture into this yet lol. wouldn't know the dosage of turmeric either

https://www.livestrong.com/article/499817-herbs-to-increase-dopamine/?ajax=1&is=1

Turmeric (Curcuma longa) is a yellow root used in Asian cooking and traditional medicine. A study reported in Psychopharmacology found that curcumin inhibited both MAO-A and MAO-B and increased the levels of serotonin and dopamine. When the researchers combined curcumin with piperine, an alkaloid found in black pepper, they found this enhanced the effect of MAO inhibition.

Edited by Rango (11/21/18 02:00 AM)

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Re: 4 gr dried at first try. Something went wrong. [Re: Rango]
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Rango said:OJ is acidic as well so shouldn't that work the same way?



From what I have read, no.


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Re: 4 gr dried at first try. Something went wrong. [Re: Rango] * 1
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I would also like to add that I believe watching a screen on the come up can distract you out of tripping.
I believe you have to give the sacrament full attention and respect to get benefits from it.
Could have just been the multispore potency lottery though.
Leaving them to grow too long is also not going to be helpful to potency.
Funny thing about dem mangos, you have to pick em when they're juuuust ripe.


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Re: 4 gr dried at first try. Something went wrong. [Re: 2in1]
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Lemon juice should be around 10 times more acidic than OJ.
I don't like lemon Tek though it's like shroom crack.
As long as you don't have a full of food belly, you're not on depressant medication and your shrooms are of average potency I have found lemon Tek to be unnecessary.

I would suggest waiting to come up in a dark and silent room with no distractions.


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Re: 4 gr dried at first try. Something went wrong. [Re: 2in1]
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Don’t worry about the maoi yet.

The extra time you waited to harvest and less than ideal conditions is likely throwing off the dosing.

Try 3.5g in one dose first. The redosing was spaced out by quite a bit of time in your description.
Empty stomach, chopped small, tea is my preferred method.

Next time, harvest just as/before the veil breaks and then try 2g at first. 😊

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Re: 4 gr dried at first try. Something went wrong. [Re: Shr00mEater]
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Thanks guys. I've been reading up on Lemon Tek. Some ppl report NO nausea on lemon tek which would be way better IMO. I didn't enjoy nausea at all. I will be doing 3g with organic bought lemon, just not to introduce pesidesides traces into the mix.

Would heavy washing of mushrooms (to get the spores off of them) with water wash out active ingredients out of mushies since psilocybin it's slightly soluble in water? That would sort of explain no significant effects??
 
Some of the batch (not all) i literally gave them submerged bath wash in pot with holes. Other batch i just used paper towel but got impatient after 3 hrs of clean up and cleaned the rest that way. If that is the case possible 50% of my batch is dud then. I'm only speculating here since i read psilocybin is soluble in water.

Also when i did it with OJ i didn't' let it seat in it so that didn't much on extraction process either.

BTW anyone tried this method, Lemon Tea Tek: Let it sit in lemon juice 20 minutes, then pour hot tea over and let sit for another 10min. Further extraction and cooling of tea too. Then, filter with coffee filter and drink. Allowing enough time for conversion, and then extraction into the tea. Acid plus heat for extraction purposes and then you just drinking tasty Lemon Tea which has pure psilocin in there in theory.

Here is another version of this but different
https://www.reddit.com/r/Drugs/comments/4068q0/shroom_tea_recipe_with_lemon_tek_effect_and_no/

Wouldn't this eliminate nausea completely? I'm reading that acid (lemon pH=2.0) and heat (tea) is best method of converting into psilosin. The coffee filter would also eliminate all mushroom particles which causes Nausea?

Interesting tek but i stills will be doing straight lemon tek first. If Lemon Tek fails i will try Lemon Tea Tek then...

If Lemon Tea Tek will fails me i will be trying it with Blackcurrant Juice which i read is MAOI. Extract to lemon juice then dump lemon juice into glass of 8oz of Blackcurrent juice lol.....i'm getting creative here lol

Hopefully one of those will work. I will be watching Alice through the looking Glass movie. Happy Thanksgiving everyone.

Edited by Rango (11/22/18 04:50 PM)

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Re: 4 gr dried at first try. Something went wrong. [Re: Rango]
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One more thing. What's actually extracting psilocibin from mushies, the heat, the cold water the acid or all of the above?

For lemon tek after 20 min soak can i just filter out mushies material threw coffee filter (to avoid nausea). I read that mushies protein cause that nausea. Or is material necessary for the trip and lemon juice (acid) is extracting the psilocibin into juice?

BTW the info on of psilocibin into psilocin coversion is only i guess i'm assuming. I've also heard in documentary that psilocibin protects psilocin from being inactivated and stomach enzymes actually convert this and process that. Soft of like DMT being broken down and deactivated in oral form.

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Re: 4 gr dried at first try. Something went wrong. [Re: Rango]
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All of the above, the acid and heat pull the actives out of the mushroom into the water.

Recipe sounds good, add some honey or sugar before drinking to sweeten it up, the lemon will be tart.

The mushroom tissue is hard to digest because of chitin. So, filtering and drinking gives less nausea and imo a quicker on set, like 30-45 mins tops and you will be feeling it. Don’t eat anything like 3-4 hours before, try to keep that meal light.

I don’t wash my shrooms, but I know where they came from. A quick rinse would prob be ok, tho, if you rehydrated dry shrooms by soaking... I think your water will contain a good bit of actives.

If you wash them before drying, I make a guess that they take forever to dry and quality won’t be as good.

Are you using dried mushrooms or fresh? I forget and don’t want to go back and read?

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Re: 4 gr dried at first try. Something went wrong. [Re: Shr00mEater]
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They're all dried up. That's why i set them for 12 hrs drying time in dehyrdrator at 160F to makes sure they're cracker dry and they are.

Normally i would use 125F temp as that's what i read it's optimal temp for drying any type of mushrooms but since they were soaking wet i added temp and time.

On the next batch i'll makes sure they're not drooping spores so i don't have to deal with clean up and this hole mess now.

I also used ninja to turn them into fine dust as well before consuming in OJ.
The onset was actually very quick, 15 min but it was all body load and nausea, no visuals. I got all side effects and no real trip.

It's also possible that i'm one of those individuals that has high tolerance to it which would suck if so.

I think i'm gonna go for 4g this time around and also have lemon essential oil on hand as well, just in case. If i get sent to the moon then whatever.

Edited by Rango (11/23/18 02:28 PM)

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Re: 4 gr dried at first try. Something went wrong. [Re: Rango]
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Hmmm....so did 4 gr with lemon juice then dumped into tea, filtered threw coffee filter. Definitely eliminated body load and nausea.

So 4 gr did brought well being, and feels like some kind of brain storm inside my brain. Sort of feels like MDMA. Wavy energy it feels like. Definitely better then 2 gr that's for sure but still short of what my expectations were.

Slightly more vivid color and sound more pronounced slightly. One notices more details then when watching something. Sort of like details enhancer.

No visuals and no trip per say unless that's the trip lol. I still don't know that that is.

I will try 6 gr maybe 8 gr next time. What do u guys think?

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Re: 4 gr dried at first try. Something went wrong. [Re: Rango] * 1
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Sorry mate your shrooms are completely bunk or you are taking a medication that blocks them.
4g especially in tea would have me living my ancestors life deep in the jungle.


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Re: 4 gr dried at first try. Something went wrong. [Re: 2in1]
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2in1 said:
Sorry mate your shrooms are completely bunk or you are taking a medication that blocks them.
4g especially in tea would have me living my ancestors life deep in the jungle.


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Re: 4 gr dried at first try. Something went wrong. [Re: Rhizenburg]
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Thanks guys. My second flush i harvested them early so no dropped spores but got them right after vail broke. No water. Dehyradtor set to 125F and 4 hrs.

Everything was on point this time around. No excuses this time that something went wrong. We'll see and let you guys know.

I will be doing 3g this time via tea only.

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Re: 4 gr dried at first try. Something went wrong. [Re: Rango]
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Rango said: Dehyradtor set to 125F and 4 hrs.



Is that enough?
Maybe you should run them closer to 160 until you think they couldn't possibly get any dryer, and then another 4 hours for good measure.

They shouldn't be able to flex almost at all without snapping. More brittle than a spaghetti noodle.

Put em back in for another 12 hours.


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Re: 4 gr dried at first try. Something went wrong. [Re: Rhizenburg]
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Rhizenburg said:
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Rango said: Dehyradtor set to 125F and 4 hrs.



Is that enough?
Maybe you should run them closer to 160 until you think they couldn't possibly get any dryer, and then another 4 hours for good measure.

They shouldn't be able to flex almost at all without snapping. More brittle than a spaghetti noodle.

Put em back in for another 12 hours.


Mine runs 165 and 2/3 oz usually runs me 4/8 hours depending on how fat they are.


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Re: 4 gr dried at first try. Something went wrong. [Re: XnMe]
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So 3g orgazmed my brain. It was litterly better then sex. Those mofos bind to serotonin receptors like nothing else.

This batch was way better but no visuals and definitely i'm not talking to my ancestors but was in my bed curled up with eyes closed and my brain was having sex.

Maybe i'm one of those ppl that need way higher doses. 8g maybe. Maybe i should try different cube. I don't think there is anything wrong with this batch of cube tho. Thoughts?

Edited by Rango (12/03/18 11:07 PM)

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Re: 4 gr dried at first try. Something went wrong. [Re: Rango]
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Yeah they are dry. I have good dehydrator. Picture below is the last ration.

I'm feeling adventurous. I will be trying 4g dry with 20 oz blackcurrant concentrate juice. 




Edited by Rango (12/04/18 04:59 PM)

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Re: 4 gr dried at first try. Something went wrong. [Re: Rango]
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4g dry with blackcurrent juice gave me slight visuals when looking at the ceiling. The ceiling was moving in waves. I had to focus and look at it for prelong period of time thought. Not on its own. I think this was purely based on increasing of dosage not MAOI doing anything.

The initial onset was terrible, i was light headed and my legs felt heavy. Could barely walk. I also thought i was choking. I felt like i was going to pass out. I attribute that to MAOI. F this. I will not be doing MAOI again. MAOI is bad news. It didn't enhance anything IMO. It was blocking some things and i'm sure that's bad in general. I do believe MAOI can kill yo a$$.

I will try 5g next time in tea without any mumbo jumbo voodoo crap. I don't believe in lemon tek and i don't believe in MAOI do anything. Lemon tek didn't do sh1t for me and MAOI just made everything worst without adding anything positive. IMO slight visuals were dosage related. Negative side effects i described were MAOI related. I think tea is purest way of extracting this. Let stomach do conversion.

Lemon tek dephosphorization via lemon acid is a myth. If it does anything it deactivates psilocibyn and psilocyn via ingestion is not processed via oral method hence ppl add MAOI to Ayahuasca drink and i do think MAOI can kill you.

I also do think there is optimal dosage based on what John Hopkins established per kg of body weight. They say 30mg/70kg is high dosage and 20mg/70kg is optimal dosage.

I have not found this for myself yet since 4g barely give me any visuals. My weight is 200 lbs /90kg. I think 3g tickles me, 4g starts something and 5-8g will do something more. I may have to do this gradually as i don't know if the curve of dosage is exponential or linear.

Edited by Rango (12/05/18 05:38 PM)

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Re: 4 gr dried at first try. Something went wrong. [Re: Rango]
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Rango said:I also do think there is opitimal dosage besed on what John Hopkins established per kg of body weight. I have not found this for myself yet. My weight is 200 lbs /90kg. 
They say 30mg/70kg is high dosage and 20mg/70kg is optimal dosage.


That's outdated information. The study did not have a control group that took amounts independent of body weight - they just assumed that the dose should be proportional to body weight. AFAIK, the modern consensus is that body weight matters almost not at all.

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Re: 4 gr dried at first try. Something went wrong. [Re: Phenotype]
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Thanks bro. That's even more reason to go higher. I'm starting to think everyone is different and 3g for you may be high but does barely anything for me. Yet some girl will be on the moon on 1.5g. I think metabolism has a lot to do with dosage too. Maybe also species of cubes have different effect. Maybe i will have better luck with different strain.

I do feel my brain is fighting this every time thought. I don't know how to stop it doing this. It's like a fight. It thinks it's a poison i think. That's how if feels to me. I could be wrong but that's how it feels. :smile:

Edited by Rango (12/05/18 05:40 PM)

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Re: 4 gr dried at first try. Something went wrong. [Re: Rango]
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It sounds like your first flush was crap, possibly because of the washing.

I know you're probably anxious to have a great trip by now, but I would find the unmodified dose that works for you before I started messing around with things like blackcurrant juice. Too many variables.

And in case you missed it, spreading out the dose over time is a mistake. Take what you're gonna take all at once. If you wait an hour or two and take more, the second dose is greatly diminished by tolerance.

Edited by Phenotype (12/05/18 05:57 PM)

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Re: 4 gr dried at first try. Something went wrong. [Re: Phenotype]
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Yeah the first flush i threw out already. 2nd flush was done on point. I'm only doing now 2nd good flush. Tea was good experience. I will stick with that for now.

Also it's possible my 4g dosage was off cause i did it next day after 3g so maybe brain needs 48hrs plus for recovery. I don't think i'll do that again either lol

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Re: 4 gr dried at first try. Something went wrong. [Re: Rango]
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Oh, I missed that. Yes, that absolutely diminished the 4g dose. Tolerance from a significant dose takes 9-14 days to completely fade, depending on which data you believe.

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Re: 4 gr dried at first try. Something went wrong. [Re: Phenotype]
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Cool thanks for feedback. I will try next week 4-5g. Maybe 4.5g. I'll have to see.

I think there is a sweet spot for everyone with dosing and it differs for ppl based on metabolism, weight and other stuff. I'm just trying to break threw.

So far i didn't really happen based on what others are posting. Based on what i've experienced so far it looks like it will need to be 4g plus dosage.

It'a also possible different strain will kick my ass at 3g. I dunno.

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Re: 4 gr dried at first try. Something went wrong. [Re: Rango]
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After all that rapid experimentation I'd wait 2 full weeks to reset. Grind into powder, add boiling water, steep for 10 minutes and strain, turn the TV off and relaxing music on, and get ready to kiss the sky.

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Re: 4 gr dried at first try. Something went wrong. [Re: Phenotype]
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btw i tried dmt, smoked and i never broke threw on it either.

I tried bulb, the machine...none worked. I'm waiting for crack pipe as it's cheap and it's suppose to work

If that fails i will have to dish out $120 on vipe gennie.

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