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Re: Does white privilege exist? Prove it. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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There is a difference between an experiment and a theory.

And like qman just showed you, the research Enlil posted doesn't seem reliable.


...Further, if one of those black sounding names were not called back, but one parent was white... then what?

Or what if they called back a white sounding name and the person was actually black, but they had one white parent?


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Re: Does white privilege exist? Prove it. [Re: XUL] * 1
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Why do you keep talking about someone's parents.

A lot of these things are based on the individual. A black kid who was adopted by white parents still looks black when he's driving around, or applying for job.

Let's do a thought experiment. Can we agree that black and white people use drugs about the same rate. (This may not be true anymore because white people are the primary demographic in the opiate epidemic.) We also know that black people are 3-4 times more likely to be prosecuted for drug possession .

So, statistically black people are not treated equally by the justice system. Whites are not treated as harshly as a group.

That is white privelege.


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Re: Does white privilege exist? Prove it. [Re: XUL]
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XUL said:
There is a difference between an experiment and a theory.

And like qman just showed you, the research Enlil posted doesn't seem reliable.


...Further, if one of those black sounding names were not called back, but one parent was white... then what?

Or what if they called back a white sounding name and the person was actually black, but they had one white parent?


Have to wait til February when my web traffic is available again to try and dig up the sources,
but have come across a number of accounts from individuals of mixed parentage
expressing that they experience discrimination from individuals of both parents' races

Probably there are people on both sides of any social divide that despise when one of 'theirs' mixes with the 'other'

racists can come in all colours, after all
or, rather, racists prefer not to come in all colours

Also fond of a comedian named Reginald D. Hunter, Southerner who moved over to the UK
has interesting insights regarding relative discrimination, such as the Irish being the 'niggers of Europe'
he potentially mentions it more for comedic effect, but he claims in his set that his mother named him Reginald
so that he could at least get past the phone interviews

it may be racist of me to say so,
but the only other black comedians that come to mind off the top of my head
are Dave and Chris
do not want to be atrocious and make up a 'black sounding name' on the spot,
but played an rpg once where classes were defined by (fantasy) race
and some people would jokingly refer to all females of the dark-skinned warrior race as Shaniqua

tho, perhaps, upon reflection it was not intended as light-heartedly as my presumption
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=shaniqua

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Re: Does white privilege exist? Prove it. [Re: Tantrika]
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Re: Does white privilege exist? Prove it. [Re: ballsalsa]
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can't watch that until the month is up but will come back to it QQ

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Re: Does white privilege exist? Prove it. [Re: koods]
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koods said:
What is clear from this study is that income and education are highly correlated. Jews are 2 to 3 times more likely to have some college education than Protestant and Catholics and 4 times as likely as Protestants to have an advanced degree.


What are the education levels like among blacks? Perhaps this explains why they are poor.


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Re: Does white privilege exist? Prove it. [Re: XUL] * 2
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XUL said:
Thundermuscle75 said:
XUL said:
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You don't get how that's an example of white privilege???


I don't want examples. I want proof.

When someone is trying to prove human induced global warming, do you think they present one study and call it a day?

You haven't proven anything.

A personal question to you: do you think if one parent is white, the child has more privilege than if both parents were non-white?


That's like saying prove to me that human pregnancy exists.
The only proof I will accept is a large group of people people are kept in controlled laboratory conditions and every single one of them gets pregnant.

Any other result means human pregnancy does not exist.


Does that mean global warming is a hoax?

If one parent is white, how much privilege does the child have?


No. It means global warming doesn't mean it will never get cold anywhere.
Just like white privilege doesn't mean every white has more privilege than every black.

Yes there are SJW extremists who will say that I have more privilege than Oprah or that a homeless schizophrenic white person is more privileged than a middle class black person. Obviously they are wrong.

They aren't wrong because it doesn't exist though.
They are wrong because they are idiots abusing the term.


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Re: Does white privilege exist? Prove it. [Re: qman]
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>qman said:
>If there was some sort of law that specifically stated that whites get employment before blacks, then we could demonstrate a consistent outcome, we don't have that today.

Oh do you mean like the laws that mandate preference for blacks and certain other groups? Laws like that? Or the fact the justice dept sues big businesses which don't have "enough" of that group in their employees or in management. Are you talking about something like that? No, those laws and practices are only for the special groups and whites are not considered special. They have to work for what they get.

White privilege = having to pay for the actual privilege enjoyed by other groups who still do not succeed despite the handouts.


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Re: Does white privilege exist? Prove it. [Re: Stonehenge] * 1
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Hmm.. 13 pages.


Still no proof of white privilege.


:notsureif:


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Re: Does white privilege exist? Prove it. [Re: koods]
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koods said:
Why do you keep talking about someone's parents.

A lot of these things are based on the individual. A black kid who was adopted by white parents still looks black when he's driving around, or applying for job.

Let's do a thought experiment. Can we agree that black and white people use drugs about the same rate. (This may not be true anymore because white people are the primary demographic in the opiate epidemic.) We also know that black people are 3-4 times more likely to be prosecuted for drug possession .

So, statistically black people are not treated equally by the justice system. Whites are not treated as harshly as a group.

That is white privelege.


"black people are 3-4 more times more likely to be prosecuted for drug possession"

That's because many blacks do drug transactions on the street, that's why it's so easy for law enforcement to make drug arrests.

"statistically black people are not treated equally by the justice system"

That's an economic issue, do you have any evidence if the economics are the same that there's still a racial issue? 

"Whites are not treated as harshly as a group"

Because inside of the group there's many wealthy people that can buy better legal representation, that's not "white privilege", that's money privilege.

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Re: Does white privilege exist? Prove it. [Re: Tantrika]
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"Since getting clipped as an infant, you were marked for a worldwide system of enslavement"
________________________________________________________________

Do I get reparations?..... me cock wants to know.


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Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”

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Re: Does white privilege exist? Prove it. [Re: Stonehenge] * 1
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Stonehenge said:
>qman said:
>If there was some sort of law that specifically stated that whites get employment before blacks, then we could demonstrate a consistent outcome, we don't have that today.

Oh do you mean like the laws that mandate preference for blacks and certain other groups? Laws like that? Or the fact the justice dept sues big businesses which don't have "enough" of that group in their employees or in management. Are you talking about something like that? No, those laws and practices are only for the special groups and whites are not considered special. They have to work for what they get.

White privilege = having to pay for the actual privilege enjoyed by other groups who still do not succeed despite the handouts.


So nothing exists unless a law states that it exists?
And if a law states that something exists it exists?

I guess that means the Shroomery doesn't exist and all of the US treaties with American Indian tribes we're honored.


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Re: Does white privilege exist? Prove it. [Re: Thundermuscle75]
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qman said:
Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
The study used a sample size of 2445 resumes, which was enough to prove blacks get more callbacks with a confidence level >99.99%.  A position WAS validated using statistical methods


And then is wasn't, lots of flaws in that experiment. :shrug:

www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-bias-hiring-0504-biz-20160503-story.html


There were no "flaws" in the original experiment, nor did your article say there were.  The difference in the two experiments is that the first used black sounding first names like Jamal and Rasheed, and the second used black sounding last names like Washington and Jefferson.  Do you see the problem with the second study yet?  As many white people have those last names as black people.

qman said:
Maybe you went hook, line and sinker into a very flawed social experiment that was intentionally trying to get a desired result.


Again, it wasn't flawed.  The first one made it more obvious what race the person likely was, the second made it greyer.


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Re: Does white privilege exist? Prove it. [Re: XUL]
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XUL said:
There is a difference between an experiment and a theory.


That's correct.  A theory is that white privilege exists.  An experiment is a scientific study to prove or disprove that theory, such as the one Enlil posted.


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I am in a minority on the shroomery, as I frequently defend the opposing side when they have a point about something or when my side make believes something about them.  I also attack my side if I think they're wrong.  People here get very confused by that and think it means I prefer the other side.

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Re: Does white privilege exist? Prove it. [Re: XUL]
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XUL said:
There is a difference between an experiment and a theory.

And like qman just showed you, the research Enlil posted doesn't seem reliable.


...Further, if one of those black sounding names were not called back, but one parent was white... then what?

Or what if they called back a white sounding name and the person was actually black, but they had one white parent?


I don't understand how this matters.  You can conduct a separate experiment on this to learn the answer if you want, but it's irrelevant to the original discussion.

Black people are treated disfavorably, mixed races likely are somewhere in the middle, but we need another test to be sure.


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Re: Does white privilege exist? Prove it. [Re: Thundermuscle75]
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^ Brilliant!


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Re: Does white privilege exist? Prove it. [Re: koods]
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Quote:
Why do you keep talking about someone's parents.


It's important to regard parents because there are many mixed people who need to know what white privilege means for them. What is the threshold for being privileged? Exactly how much white does one need to be considered privileged?

As I said before, and pertaining to the Enlil's initial study presented by falcon, if one parent was white then the applicant could have had a different percentage of white privilege based on the chance he received a white sounding name.


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Edited by XUL (01/30/18 04:12 PM)

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Re: Does white privilege exist? Prove it. [Re: XUL] * 1
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You're being intentionally obtuse


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Re: Does white privilege exist? Prove it. [Re: XUL]
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XUL said:
Quote:
Why do you keep talking about someone's parents.


It's important to regard parents because there are many mixed people who need to know what white privilege means for them. What is the threshold for being privileged? Exactly how much white does one need to be considered privileged?

As I said before, and pertaining to the Enlil's initial study presented by falcon, if one parent was white then the applicant could have had a different percentage of white privilege based on the chance he received a white sounding name.



Are you looking for proof that every single white person is more privileged than every single black person?

Your not going to find it. Even during slavery you could find exceptions.


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Re: Does white privilege exist? Prove it. [Re: Thundermuscle75]
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Are you looking for proof that every single white person is more privileged than every single black person?

Your not going to find it.


I tend to agree.

So, when exactly does a white person, or person with mixed parents, become recipients of white privilege? What is the threshold? What is the definition?



Quote:
You're being intentionally obtuse


No, I am asking honest questions. How much white does it take?


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