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London Bombings Prove Iraq War Does Not Deter Terrorism
    #4383324 - 07/08/05 11:41 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

I thought Bush said that we were fighting the terrorists in Iraq (even though there are more there now than before we invaded) so that we didnt have to fight them here. Our biggest allie in Iraq just got bombed by terrorists. Case closed. The Iraq war does nothing towards the cause of defeating terrorism. Our invading Iraq actually insites terrorists to take action and makes civilians with dead loved ones think terrorist thoughts towards America.


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Re: London Bombings Prove Iraq War Does Not Deter Terrorism [Re: 1stimer]
    #4383409 - 07/08/05 12:10 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

yeah..
terrorists don't kill..
policies do.


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Re: London Bombings Prove Iraq War Does Not Deter Terrorism [Re: lonestar2004]
    #4383484 - 07/08/05 12:41 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

do you have a source that Muslims were responsible for the bombings in London.

yesterday i assumed that they were Muslims and was called a racist.


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Re: London Bombings Prove Iraq War Does Not Deter Terrorism [Re: lonestar2004]
    #4383574 - 07/08/05 01:08 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Well seeing as how the only people claiming responsibility are an al-Qaeda fringe group...


Who called you a racist for suggesting it? One of the left-wing nutties?


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Re: London Bombings Prove Iraq War Does Not Deter Terrorism [Re: 1stimer]
    #4383595 - 07/08/05 01:17 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

There are going to be terrorist attacks by radical Muslims regardless of what is done around the world.

"even though there are more there now than before we invaded"

If you don't mind me asking, where did you find the information to back that statement?


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Re: London Bombings Prove Iraq War Does Not Deter Terrorism [Re: trendal]
    #4383631 - 07/08/05 01:28 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

"One of the left-wing nutties?" i am sure.

also when i mentioned that AL-queda was claiming responsibility someone with a potty mouth said:

"any fucking body can post something on the Internet."



but i was wrong about saying
not all Muslims are terrorists but all terrorists are Muslim.

i have changed it to not all Muslims are terrorists but almost all terrorists are Muslims.

and the silence of all the Muslims leaders around the world not condemning these bombings in london is deafening.


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Re: London Bombings Prove Iraq War Does Not Deter Terrorism [Re: 1stimer]
    #4383679 - 07/08/05 01:38 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

This bombing proves nothing.

It is possible that the war in Iraq has reduced the number of terrorist activities that would have happened if there were no war. There is no way to know for sure if the war has reduced, increased or had no affect on the number of terror attacks.


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Re: London Bombings Prove Iraq War Does Not Deter Terrorism [Re: lonestar2004]
    #4384016 - 07/08/05 03:02 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Actually, a number of moderate Muslims in England have condemned the attacks, as did some in Iraq (of course) and even in Iran.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/07/08/london.muslims/index.html


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Re: London Bombings Prove Iraq War Does Not Deter Terrorism [Re: Phred]
    #4384040 - 07/08/05 03:10 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

good

Next there needs to be a Fatwa against Bin Laden.


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Re: London Bombings Prove Iraq War Does Not Deter Terrorism [Re: cb9fl]
    #4384061 - 07/08/05 03:18 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

It's a very simple connection to make really. Before Iraq there was no muslim terrorism in england. Now there is. Hmm, why is that? I know it probably has something to do with blair being stuck up bush's ass day and night. The UK is the only major nation that regularly provides strong vocal support for the US and for our shared goals. They are meddling in the middle east, which is of course exactly why terrorists despise the American government, so naturally the UK becomes a target as well.

Also, off topic a bit, but does anyone else find it a bit infuriating when Bush dumbs down the terrorists goals in some sort of effort to de-understand them? He says "The terrorists mission is to kill and maim innocent people" That's retarded though. Their goal with this london bombing was probably more about disrupting englands workforce, economy, and tourism industry (which they have done btw)the fact that innocent people die when they destroy the subway is just icing on the cake for them and it's incidental to their larger plans. Saying their "barbaric" mission is to kill and maim innocent people is like saying the US army's mission in Iraq is to kill innocent people. It has nothing to do with liberation or WMD's or anything. It's the same thing really, and it just irritates me that he feeds everyone this simple little dumb downed explanation for something that is so complex. And then people believe him...it's amazing, and part of the reason why we will never win the "war on terror" with this current pile of shit strategy.


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Re: London Bombings Prove Iraq War Does Not Deter Terrorism [Re: Vex]
    #4384069 - 07/08/05 03:21 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

It's not the same thing at all.

The terrorists goal is to demoralize and create fear in the masses of the country they attack by killing defenseless civilians.


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Re: London Bombings Prove Iraq War Does Not Deter Terrorism [Re: Redstorm]
    #4384144 - 07/08/05 03:37 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

The terrorists goal is to demoralize and create fear in the masses of the country they attack by killing defenseless civilians.




Do you have any sources?


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Re: London Bombings Prove Iraq War Does Not Deter Terrorism [Re: 1stimer]
    #4384148 - 07/08/05 03:40 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

This is the widely held definition of terrorism. Go look it up if you don't believe me.


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Re: London Bombings Prove Iraq War Does Not Deter Terrorism [Re: Redstorm]
    #4384176 - 07/08/05 03:51 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

From what I have read about terrorists (even the homegrown ones) they were angry with a/the government, and were trying to hurt the government, rather than "scare" people.

Just because people were scared....dosen't mean that scaring people, was the terrorists objective.......just a bonus :shrug:


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Re: London Bombings Prove Iraq War Does Not Deter Terrorism [Re: niteowl]
    #4384179 - 07/08/05 03:53 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Maybe terrorist like the IRA fit into your description. They can be negotioated with and can give them what they want.

The radical fundamentalists can not be negotiated with, since many of their goals are biblical ones.


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Re: London Bombings Prove Iraq War Does Not Deter Terrorism [Re: Redstorm]
    #4384203 - 07/08/05 04:05 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

There is no connection between invading Iraq and making the American homeland safer from this kind of terrorism. In fact, attacking Iraq causes this kind of terrorism.


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Re: London Bombings Prove Iraq War Does Not Deter Terrorism [Re: cb9fl]
    #4384230 - 07/08/05 04:15 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

It is possible that the war in Iraq has reduced the number of terrorist activities that would have happened if there were no war. There is no way to know for sure if the war has reduced, increased or had no affect on the number of terror attacks.

It is great to know that we have spent upwards of $200 billion and many thousands of lives without ever knowing, or being able to know, that we are getting value for the cost.


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Re: London Bombings Prove Iraq War Does Not Deter Terrorism [Re: 1stimer]
    #4384290 - 07/08/05 04:41 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Let's see, major terrorist attacks worldwide increased from 175 in 2003 to 625 in 2004 and we've just seen the largest bombing attack in London since WWII.  Are these neo-con indicators of success? 

Does anyone honestly believe that we in the U.S. are somehow immune from further terrorist attacks, that we are somehow safer since there hasn't been an attack since September 11, 2001? 

From February 27, 1993 till April 18, 1995 (the day after the first WTC bombing and a day before the Oklahoma city bombing) it could be argued using the same childlike thinking as Bush's supporters that America was safer from terrorist attacks than on February 26, 1993 merely based on the fact that there hadn't been a major terror attack in the U.S.  Likewise, using the same naive reasoning it could be said that from April 20, 1995 to September 10, 2001 that America was safer from terrorist attacks than on April 19, 1995.  We of course know from history that the truth is different, that an attack had not occurred is not proof that American citizens were any safer.  As a matter of fact, there is increasing lethality with each attack.

February 26, 1993 - 6 people killed
February 27, 1993 to April 18,1995 - neo-con rationalization says we're safer :nut:
April 19, 1995 - 168 people killed
April 20, 1995 to September 10, 2001 - neo-con rationalization says we're safer :nut:
September 11, 2001 - 2985 people killed
September 12, 2001 to present - neo-con rationalization says we're safer :nut:


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Re: London Bombings Prove Iraq War Does Not Deter Terrorism [Re: Redstorm]
    #4384469 - 07/08/05 06:00 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Redstorm said:
The radical fundamentalists can not be negotiated with, since many of their goals are biblical ones.




I agree that some of their demands are rather extreem, but that dosent mean that the ONLY reason terrorists exist is to spread fear.

They have a goal, and frightening the puiblic, isn't their main goal.


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Re: London Bombings Prove Iraq War Does Not Deter Terrorism [Re: niteowl]
    #4384495 - 07/08/05 06:11 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

London Bombings proves terrorism does not deter the Iraq war. Case closed.


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