Auto-SummaryThis forum post discusses the controversial practice of male circumcision in Africa to reduce HIV transmission. The main arguments are:
1. Circumcision does not guarantee protection from HIV or other STDs; condoms and abstinence are more effective prevention methods.
2. The procedure is often performed on infants without informed consent, raising ethical concerns.
3. There is a push for more effective methods to increase condom usage, such as Gloria Gakki's idea of training sex workers to put condoms on with their mouths.
4. Trust issues play a significant role in condom usage, with some individuals removing condoms during intercourse without consent (stealthing), which is considered a form of sexual assault.
5. The effectiveness of circumcision is questioned, with only 5% of men using condoms despite 30 years of research and billions spent on research and development.
The post emphasizes the importance of informed consent and exploring alternative methods to prevent HIV transmission while addressing trust issues surrounding condom usage.
koods said:
Tantrika said:
koods said: There is a huge push to circumcise men in Africa to reduce HIV transmission.
Is it working?
a point similar was in that vice link:
Quote: So banjo strings are the key to being good at sex? Great. People often defend circumcision on hygiene grounds, because it reduces chances of catching herpes by 30% and HIV by 60%. That seems like a good thing. Since 1980 when they first discovered AIDS half a million men have been killed in America. 90% of them were circumcised. Circumcision doesn’t prevent STDs, only condoms and abstinence does that.
I suppose. So why do you think circumcision is still carried out in America as a matter of course? There are no reproducible scientific studies that prove that getting cut protects you from anything. People have been brainwashed by the doctors that you have to do it and they can’t admit that they’ve been doing something wrong for 200 years or they would be sued out of business. There have been a number of lawsuits in recent years. Half a dozen or so have sued successfully.
So it’s just a swizz on behalf of the doctors? Yes. They want to buy all of their fancy cars and whatever.
What would you like to see happen in the future? I would like to go out of business; I would like to see no more mutilation of innocent baby boys or girls. Let people learn the facts and make their own mind up when they’re 18. Frankly, if they know the facts, they probably won’t do it.
But as stated, was not circumcised and do not consider this to be 'my fight' my general position is that unnecessary procedures should not be performed on infants or children be they Jewish, Trans, Muslim, or 'Normal' but also will not be having children of my own, so it is not a debate that requires much of my mental energy
The epidemiological data is conclusive, and the mechanism for higher susceptibility in uncircumcised men is well understood
Then cool 
Only knew one kid who got circumcised beyond infancy, and it was due to some sort of infection but have never personally had issues -- tho my OCD is specifically tied to keeping myself clean, so may not serve as a fair indicator
just hope that the message is not misconstrued that circumcision means no need for protection but anything that works cumulatively towards the goal seems sound
Quote: Gloria Gakki should be in line to win $100,000 (£62,000). Her idea for improving the appeal of condoms meets the “grand challenge” launched by Bill Gates who earlier this year offered the prize to anyone who could devise a means of increasing their popularity. She is training sex workers to put condoms on with their mouths.
The Ministry of Defence in Zambia could be a winner, too. It has designed a packet in camouflage colours and labelled it “Full Combat”.
The problem with the condom has never been its effectiveness but its acceptability. Despite 30 years of research and the expenditure of billions of dollars, no one has come up with a better form of protection against HIV. But worldwide only 5 per cent of men use them.
It’s like sucking a sweet with the paper on, its detractors say. You don’t eat a banana without peeling it.
Quote: Condom use among sex workers in Nairobi has risen from near zero in the 1980s to approaching 100 per cent today. It has been achieved, she said, by “moving the focus from the professionals to the community that uses them”.
But condoms have a fatal flaw – it is called trust. While their use in casual sex has hugely improved over the past 20 years, once couples are established they discard them. To continue implies mistrust.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/the-condom-conundrum-how-to-persuade-africas-prostitutes-to-practice-safe-sex-8947709.html
There is also concern with regards to the 'trust' issue from another angle remember an article last year about a push to define 'stealthing' under sexual assault http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/stealthing-condoms-legal-concerns-1.4088491
Quote: Haley says she knows the trauma of sexual assault. The 20-year-old Edmonton woman says she has experienced multiple forms of it.
But when she discloses the details of the latest instance, she says some people shrug it off.
That's because Haley is referring to "stealthing," the secretive and non-consensual removal of a condom during otherwise consensual intercourse. (CBC has agreed to not publish Haley's full name as well as those of the other women who spoke about the practice.)
Not everyone considers stealthing akin to rape, she says.
Haley said she had consented to protected sex with a man she knew and trusted. But after a few minutes, she noticed something amiss.
"I looked down at one point, and [the condom] just wasn't there," she said. "It was really scary."
After confronting the man and speaking with friends who had the same experience with him, she says she realized he'd removed the condom intentionally.
It goes on to address that such an action may not be considered sexual assault among gay men so long as they are clean as removal of the condom does not carry risk of physical harm in the manner that pregnancy does
the article was apparently inspired by publication of a paper on a similar topic but have not read it personally yet -- may sit down and do so before gaming today https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2954726
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