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Re: Texas (Sutherland Springs) Church Shooting [Re: bodhisatta]
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Why wouldn't we be able to get rid of those guns. Congress could outlaw pretty much every gun but handguns, single shot rifles and shot guns. There is no right to own a semiautomatic weapon and they are banned in states like New York.


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Re: Texas (Sutherland Springs) Church Shooting [Re: koods]
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koods said:
So someone in the church had a gun and they let him murder 26 people before he started to shoot back?


You weren't there man, you don't know what it's like to duck behind shit while someone is rapidly firing a gun in a building. That would be very disorienting. Your ears would be ringing, then you have to grab your gun and make sure you can take a shot without being shot yourself.


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Re: Texas (Sutherland Springs) Church Shooting [Re: rackem]
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He didn't use his gun.. He used his face and body to try and stop a burglary and the gun just happened to fall out during the struggle.


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I don’t want to get back up but I have to so it might as well be today.
Nothing appeals to me no one feels like me, I’m too busy being calm to disappear.
I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear.


You can't wake up, this is not a dream. You're part of a machine, you are not a human being
With your face all made up, living on a screen. Low on self esteem, so you run on gasoline

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Re: Texas (Sutherland Springs) Church Shooting [Re: Asante]
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Asante said:
Today on Day 310 of 2017, there have been 307 mass shootings in the US

Will the number of mass shootings overcome the number of days before the year is out?


Meanwhile in Japan, the number of people shot in Japan this year is 2. People. At all.


Does it really matter to you how people suicide themselves?  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_in_Japan

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Re: Texas (Sutherland Springs) Church Shooting [Re: koods]
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koods said:
Really? Having exactly one fewer gun would have completely prevented this shooting.


No... He had two other guns.


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Re: Texas (Sutherland Springs) Church Shooting [Re: Shroomslip]
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but a retired cop shouldnt identify himself as an officer. one thing i was taught in some of the firearms training classes i have had, is dont bring unneeded attention to you.

and damnit, get a holster that actually holsters :lol:


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Re: Texas (Sutherland Springs) Church Shooting [Re: koods]
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koods said:
So what's the point?

We have so many opportunities in this country for this good guy theory to work and the best example we now have of a good guy firing back is a shooting where 26 people died. That's pathetic.


I'm pretty sure I've seen a few stories where shootings were prevented by someone who had a firearm. But that doesn't get much publicity because a massacre didn't happen.


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Re: Texas (Sutherland Springs) Church Shooting [Re: rackem]
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Good thing he's retired, they probably woudln't let him hear the end of that one.


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With my face against the floor I can’t see who knocked me out of the way.
I don’t want to get back up but I have to so it might as well be today.
Nothing appeals to me no one feels like me, I’m too busy being calm to disappear.
I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear.


You can't wake up, this is not a dream. You're part of a machine, you are not a human being
With your face all made up, living on a screen. Low on self esteem, so you run on gasoline

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Re: Texas (Sutherland Springs) Church Shooting [Re: koods]
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koods said:
Why wouldn't we be able to get rid of those guns. Congress could outlaw pretty much every gun but handguns, single shot rifles and shot guns. There is no right to own a semiautomatic weapon and they are banned in states like New York.


Everyone i know who's a felon has guns that are illegal banned from owning it.

My drugs are banned.

But somehow they're not disappearing.

How would a war on guns work?


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Re: Texas (Sutherland Springs) Church Shooting [Re: Shroomslip]
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i am sure he still has buddies that will not let him live it down.


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Re: Texas (Sutherland Springs) Church Shooting [Re: qman] * 1
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qman said:
Asante said:
Today on Day 310 of 2017, there have been 307 mass shootings in the US

Will the number of mass shootings overcome the number of days before the year is out?


Meanwhile in Japan, the number of people shot in Japan this year is 2. People. At all.


Does it really matter to you how people suicide themselves?  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_in_Japan



Come on qman, there is a difference between a mass shooting and a suicide.

It is your right to take your life and I'm all for physician assisted suicide as a basic human right, but to kill another is quite another matter.


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Re: Texas (Sutherland Springs) Church Shooting [Re: rackem]
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The government could ban porn and take the internet down and make filming pornography illegal.

There's still enough to go around for days. And people would still produce it. And it would be worth more.

So again if Congress bans guns big fucking deal lol.


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Re: Texas (Sutherland Springs) Church Shooting [Re: bodhisatta]
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they wont ban any of the sort.

too much money in these industries. also, if they did ban guns the military contracts would skyrocket because they wont have the other people to offset the income.

it may be nice for some to think that guns will go away.. its just not realistic. the US is too far gone for it to work.

and i can verify the above statement. look at this thread right here or ANY of the shooting threads. even in this micro climate, there is no middle ground when it comes to firearms.. everybody thinks they have the perfect answer, when it all reality, they dont.


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Re: Texas (Sutherland Springs) Church Shooting [Re: Asante]
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Asante said:
qman said:
Asante said:
Today on Day 310 of 2017, there have been 307 mass shootings in the US

Will the number of mass shootings overcome the number of days before the year is out?


Meanwhile in Japan, the number of people shot in Japan this year is 2. People. At all.


Does it really matter to you how people suicide themselves?  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_in_Japan



Come on qman, there is a difference between a mass shooting and a suicide.

It is your right to take your life and I'm all for physician assisted suicide as a basic human right, but to kill another is quite another matter.


My point is that most of the gun deaths in the US are from suicide, if guns were more available in Japan, what do you think would be the case?  A very high rate of gun deaths.

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Re: Texas (Sutherland Springs) Church Shooting [Re: rackem]
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You can't really go door-to-door to confiscate firearms because first off people will cache them off their property so they are armed to the teeth again the moment the fed is round the corner and secondly, more importantly, I think thousands or tens of thousands of gun owhers would take a stand and you'd have a very severe nationwide civil unrest on your hands.


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Re: Texas (Sutherland Springs) Church Shooting [Re: Asante]
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Gun deaths are not created equal. Suicides are sort of acceptable, homicides are not.


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Re: Texas (Sutherland Springs) Church Shooting [Re: TempestDnB]
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TempestDnB said:
koods said:
Shroomslip said:
He had body armor and just murdered 26 people (attempted to kill a lot more than that) you really think he was just gonna give up and stop? I have never once said it would prevent shootings. I think it's kind of idiotic to think it will, these people already know there's a good chance they'll die and they do it anyways, so more armed people isn't really going to prevent much of anything. The point is having the ability to stop them and prevent further killings when they start shooting.


Just stop with this ridiculous fantasy you people have. The problem isn't that you don't have enough guns, it that you have too many. And I'm using you because people like you are the problem and it's about time we stop being politically correct about it.

If this stupid good guy theory didn't work in a church in Texas, where you are allow to carry, it's a failure. If you say it's a success because it could have been worse you have a perverted idea of success. Its a delusion.


It's a delusion to think that getting rid of guns would prevent things like this. Have you ever shot a gun koods? Did you grow up with guns? Why should I give up a right that I have if I'm not going to use that right to step on other people's rights? I have the right to drive a car, but I could also drive through a crowd of people. Should we ban cars because people can use them as deadly weapons? This is a serious question. Why does your logic apply to one tool but not others?


I have a marksmanship certificate from the NRA, so yes I have shot a gun before.


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Re: Texas (Sutherland Springs) Church Shooting [Re: Asante]
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Asante said:
You can't really go door-to-door to confiscate firearms because first off people will cache them off their property so they are armed to the teeth again the moment the fed is round the corner and secondly, more importantly, I think thousands or tens of thousands of gun owhers would take a stand and you'd have a very severe nationwide civil unrest on your hands.


Gun owners always say they are law abiding. If the law says they must surrender their guns, they will abide by the law. If they don't, Throw them in jail like any other criminal.


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

Edited by koods (11/06/17 04:24 PM)

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Re: Texas (Sutherland Springs) Church Shooting [Re: koods]
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You'd have thousands of shootouts in urban enviroonments and people already hate the government.


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Re: Texas (Sutherland Springs) Church Shooting [Re: Asante]
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i'm more afraid of people that think they need guns for protection outside in public then people who don't

people + guns = more deaths
it doesn't matter if theyre GOOD or not they're outside with guns for christsakes even a by stander is a victem if they start firing
you know how many gun point robberies there are in states where there are no guns, next to none
in states with guns they're a part of daily life

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