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Another school shooting...
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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,11069-2385173,00.html

A gunman went on a deadly rampage in an Amish schoolhouse today, shooting dead three girls "execution style" and shattering the calm inside one of America’s most reclusive and pacifist communities.

The gunman, a truck driver identified as Charles Carl Roberts IV, 32, entered the one-room school just after 10.30am brandishing a handgun and automatic shotgun. He let the 15 boys go, as well as one pregnant woman and three women with young infants, but took all the remaining girls hostage.

Seven other girls were wounded, some critically. Commissioner Jeffrey Miller, of the Pennsylvania police, said that the attack took place as "revenge" for an episode in the gunman’s life that took place 20 years ago.

"From what we know at this point it seem he wanted to attack young female victims. The girls were shot execution-style in the head," he said. "There was some issue in the past which for some reason meant he wanted to extract revenge against female victims. That is all I can tell you right now."

Roberts used both guns in tandem to carry out the killings. Mr Miller said that during the attack, Roberts apparently told students to line up in front of the blackboard. He began to tie his female captives' feet together. Then he let the boys in the classroom leave.

Another young female suffering from a gunshot wound to the head and right hand was taken to Reading Hospital and Medical Centre, where she was in critical condition before she was transferred to Children's Hospital, a hospital spokeswoman said.

Commissioner Miller said Roberts, who lived very near the school in Bart township, left a "rambling" suicide note.

He added that Roberts called his wife while he was inside the school. She said he didn't know where he was, but that he couldn't go on any more and he was getting revenge for something that happened 20 years ago.

The officer said he targeted the school because it provided him with a "close opportunity to attack where he knew there would be young kids".

It was the nation’s third deadly school shooting in less than a week, and one of the deadliest in American history. Police said Roberts was not a member of the Amish community and that the attack was unrelated to it. "It’s a horrendous crime scene," Mr Miller said. "One of the victims died in a trooper's arms."

The tragedy left the Amish community in the Pennsylvania enclave of Paradise Township in deep shock, particularly as the Amish, notable for their horsedrawn buggies and traditional dress, reject the trappings of modern life, including cars, guns and telephones.

After the gunman — a father of three — took the hostages, police were notified of the incident at 10.36am.

By 10.45am, dozens of police and medical emergency teams had been dispatched to the scene and surrounded the school.

Negotiations took place for 45 minutes before the gunman called a local radio station on his mobile phone and said that if police did not leave within 10 seconds, he would open fire on the hostages.

"Within a matter of seconds, they heard shots, multiple shots," Mr Miller said. State troopers broke into the school and found the gunman dead.

The gunman, who police said was local and well-known in the community, worked as a milk tanker driver. After dropping his own children off at school at 8.45am this morning, he had returned home and left suicide notes to his family.

Mr Miller said that he later called his wife at about 11am to say he would not be coming home, that the police were here and that he loved her. By lunchtime, the Lancaster County coroner confirmed that "multiple" people had been killed, and that helicopters were arriving "like crazy" at the Lancaster General Hospital with the wounded.

The hospital confirmed that three girls had been admitted with gunshot wounds, ranging in ages from six to 15, and that all were in a critical condition.

Police said today that there had been three fatalities, but the local coroner had earlier reported the death toll at six.

Officials at the Penn State Milton S Hershey Medical Centre confirmed that other victims were also being admitted there.

According to a witness, a man in a pick-up truck pulled up outside Township school, before running into the yellow schoolhouse. He ordered all the boys to leave the room, and took the remaining girls hostage. A teacher and some visitors fled and ran to a nearby farm.

He barricaded himself inside, blocking the doors using timber he had brought himself. Police had to smash windows to break their way in.

The schoolhouse formed the heart of the community, a heavily settled Amish area just outside the town of Nickel Mines, about 55 miles west of Philadelphia. It is surrounded by farmland and Dutch barns. About 30 children attended the school.

"There's virtually no crime here," said Mr Meyers. "A lot of these towns don't even have a police station."

As news of the tragedy spread, many Amish men, with their trademark beards and broad-brimmed black hats, could be seen spreading out through the fields searching for children who are believed to have fled the schoolhouse during the shooting.

Most traditional Amish are members of the Old Order Amish Mennonite Church.

They are best known for their plain clothing, most of it self-made, essentially that of 17th-century German and Dutch peasants. Men grow beards after they marry but are forbidden to have moustaches. They shun modern life, including televisions and home-based telephones, and the Old Order Amish even refuse to operate farm machinery.

"This would have been shocking to the children," said Professor Donald Kraybill, an expert on the Amish community. "They wouldn't have been exposed to any of this on television."

Nearly all Amish schools are located in rural areas, and are usually one-room buildings operated by Amish parents, reflecting the close-knit nature of their communities.

Although they shun modern life, they have been forced to live amid it. Many Amish communities in Lancaster county, where today's shooting took place, are only a few hundred yards from highways and shopping malls, and their horse and buggies can frequently be seen negotiating traffic.


What is this world coming to. :rolleyes:

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Re: Another school shooting... [Re: VoidOfsPg]
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Re: Another school shooting... [Re: VoidOfsPg]
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Anti-gunners sponsor these shootings. Remember that at the polls.


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Re: Another school shooting... [Re: WhiskeyClone]
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Oh, I didnt know it was posted before.

Well the person who posted it was wrong because the guy who killed the girls isn't Amish.

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edit: WASN'T Amish

Edited by VoidOfsPg (10/02/06 02:03 PM)

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Re: Another school shooting... [Re: daimyo]
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The article says the truck driver was Ted Nugent.


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Re: Another school shooting... [Re: WhiskeyClone]
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It was just on MSNBC and FOX that the truck driver that appeared to be Ted Nugent was really a clone paid for by Hillary Clinton.


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Re: Another school shooting... [Re: daimyo]
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I guess you've got to pack a gun in HS these days to be ready to shoot the shooter before he shoots you.


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Re: Another school shooting... [Re: THE KRAT BARON]
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haha that's so true.

Then you get in trouble yourself.

I wonder how they're going to let all this happen but not let the students bring things to defend themselves from situations like this.

That seems like a touchy subject.

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Re: Another school shooting... [Re: THE KRAT BARON]
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All the more reason to teach basic gun handling and safety in school.


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Re: Another school shooting... [Re: VoidOfsPg]
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There needs to be some form of protection in schools these days. Teachers need to keep a sawed off under the desk.


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Re: Another school shooting... [Re: THE KRAT BARON]
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mattzdope said:
There needs to be some form of protection in schools these days. Teachers need to keep a sawed off under the desk.



Amen! What with all these crazy fuckers running around loose, they'll need it someday.

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Re: Another school shooting... [Re: THE KRAT BARON]
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Quote:
There needs to be some form of protection in schools these days. Teachers need to keep a sawed off under the desk.



Absolutely! With enough lobbying, there will soon be just enough guns in schools for them to be perfectly safe. Right now there just aren't enough.


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Re: Another school shooting... [Re: Le_Canard]
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Yeah I guess they should send each teacher through gun handling classes.

Or 'terrorism' classes which is what they probably list school shootings under.

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Re: Another school shooting... [Re: Le_Canard]
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Just don't tell the crazy fuckers.


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Re: Another school shooting... [Re: WhiskeyClone]
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WhiskeyClone said:
Quote:
There needs to be some form of protection in schools these days. Teachers need to keep a sawed off under the desk.



Absolutely! With enough lobbying, there will soon be just enough guns in schools for them to be perfectly safe.  Right now there just aren't enough.



You don't think there should be some form of protection in schools?

I'm sorry but if somebody goes into a school shooting to kill I don't want my daughter to have to run around crying like a fucking sheep to the slaughter. :thumbdown:


:hippie: is no match for some raging cocksucker with a :minigun:

What is your kid supposed to do, offer to sit down and smoke a peace pipe with the dude before he blows his/her brains out of the back of their skull? Give peace a chance my balls.. Some form of protection is needed in schools now.


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Re: Another school shooting... [Re: THE KRAT BARON]
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You don't see this kind of shit happening in urban schools.. Why is that? Because the scrawny kid or deranged trucker with a grudge or fantasy to fulfill knows damn well one of those kids is packing a gun, or can make a call to a friend outside of school who is.


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Re: Another school shooting... [Re: THE KRAT BARON]
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mattzdope said:
WhiskeyClone said:
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There needs to be some form of protection in schools these days. Teachers need to keep a sawed off under the desk.



Absolutely! With enough lobbying, there will soon be just enough guns in schools for them to be perfectly safe. Right now there just aren't enough.



You don't think there should be some form of protection in schools?




If by "protection" you mean "teachers with guns," then no. Do you honestly think that's a good idea? That it will reduce the number of such tragedies we see on the news?

Maybe I think think that fighting back against school shooters is something that has to occur before the actual incident. It can only happen way before someone becomes convinced that they have a reason to kill people.

The perpetrators of these shootings have exactly the same kill-what-you-hate attitude you do. No matter what you do, these incidents will keep happening if they continue to grow up learning that that's the way to handle their problems. KILL IT KILL IT MAKE IT DIE


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Welcome evermore to gods and men is the self-helping man.  For him all doors are flung wide: him all tongues greet, all honors crown, all eyes follow with desire.  Our love goes out to him and embraces him, because he did not need it.

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Re: Another school shooting... [Re: WhiskeyClone]
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Why do we not see people walking into heavily populated urban schools in some of the worst crime riddled cities in the nation shooting to kill and setting off bombs?


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Re: Another school shooting... [Re: THE KRAT BARON]
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mattzdope said:
You don't see this kind of shit happening in urban schools.. Why is that? Because the scrawny kid or deranged trucker with a grudge or fantasy to fulfill knows damn well one of those kids is packing a gun, or can make a call to a friend outside of school who is.



That is an interesting point, I would suggest it's because the people who are rejected by inner city crime-ridden schools don't give a shit. They drop out and sell crack.

In any case, I don't think you want your kid to go to a school like that.


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Welcome evermore to gods and men is the self-helping man.  For him all doors are flung wide: him all tongues greet, all honors crown, all eyes follow with desire.  Our love goes out to him and embraces him, because he did not need it.

~ R.W. Emerson, "Self-Reliance"

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Re: Another school shooting... [Re: WhiskeyClone]
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I think it has more to do with the fear of being killed before they fulfill their twisted fantasy. I think most of these people who go into schools shooting want to instill fear in people before they die, maybe because they have a grudge to fulfill. That wouldn't happen in an urban school where guns are pretty common place.

No I wouldn't want my daughter going to an urban school.. However I do believe there should be some form of protection in rural and suburban schools.

There's only so much preaching and reaching out to these kids/people you can do.


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