CookieCrumbs said:

XLCaps said:

It honestly annoys the fuck out of me that with this concept of being trans, people accept they are different and insist on changing it, yet want everyone else to tell them they are normal and shouldn't be treated differently. If so many transfolk didn't expect so much out of society, more than the average person, then people wouldn't get so pissy about it. Anyone can say "I was this but I need to be this." Whatever, don't care. It's no different than anyone else because everyon has problems. Not every black or native person goes off about genocide or slavery and to me the transpeople that insist on this special treatment are no different. A proud trans person shouldn't be offended if someone thinks they're a man and they shouldn't shy from telling people.

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First of all I think most people have high expectations with other people.. That's why most of us have an air of perpetual disappointment.

Second of all... That's kinda contradictory. I mean let's say that one of these kids did transition pre puberty. They might have slightly masculine characteristics, like a masculine nose or jawline, plenty of natural born women have those characteristics too... So the only way you would really know is if they told you. Why would they tell you if you then treat them differently? why should they be proud? you know alot of the "annoyingness" in the LGBT movement comes from false pride?


I honestly wish we could treat all people like people because unless they're a child molesting kitten murdering ISIS piece of shit they are still a person.


I agree though, that children shouldn't be transitioning until the DSM or whatever psychiatric guidelines they use these days has a solid guideline and solid science for it. Right now we don't even really have such a thing for adults. We can't have that for children.

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Apollyphelion said:

Well there are the WPATH standards of care
https://s3.amazonaws.com/amo_hub_content/Association140/files/Standards%20of%20Care%20V7%20-%202011%20WPATH%20(2)(1).pdf
which is TRYING to be the guidlines for proper care in adults
However, it is not fully recognized, but most of the things in it
are recognized (for instance my insurance pretty much covers
everything listed in the guide EXCEPT for facial devirilization)

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CookieCrumbs said:

Apollyphelion said:

Well there are the WPATH standards of care
https://s3.amazonaws.com/amo_hub_content/Association140/files/Standards%20of%20Care%20V7%20-%202011%20WPATH%20(2)(1).pdf
which is TRYING to be the guidlines for proper care in adults
However, it is not fully recognized, but most of the things in it
are recognized (for instance my insurance pretty much covers
everything listed in the guide EXCEPT for facial devirilization)

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Specifically speaking of identifying whether a person is trans or has some other issue. There is no guidelines for that. In that PDF and anything else I've read none makes a distinction between gender dysphoria and being transgender. You can have gender dysphoria and not be trans.

The established treatment for gender dysphoria is hormones and potentially surgery when that should not be. The 'symptoms' of a transgender person are symptoms of gender dysphoria. They could be, like me, androgynous and not realize it. I am certain now that I would forever regret it if I'd gone through transition. But as a teen, and in my early 20s, for all I knew I could have been trans. And no doctor I ever talked to would have been able to figure that out for me. Some absolutely would have pushed me for transition, because I do fit the symptoms, to a T.


The lack of standards here means we're literally making guinea pigs out of people. Only time will tell how often we fuck up by labelling people with gender dysphoria, people who are discontent with their gender, as transgender. And treat them as transgender. Only to find out much later, ya know they had childhood psychological trauma due to sexual abuse or something like that or were just simply lost without an identity that really meant anything to them and decided to latch on to the idea that they are something different and that is what their different is.

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XLCaps said:

Usually not? It's always abuse. You obviously don't understand kids and just want to play devil's advocate because it relates to how you live your life. There is no validation, only fucked up people who shouldn't have kids. Every single living person at some point crosses the idea in their mind of, "What if I'm gay? What's it like being gay? What's it like to be the opposite sex?" Normal thoughts. Kids are dumb and influential, and most of all they need the time to think about their dumb thoughts instead of being validated for having them and posing themselves a question. I wanted to be a doctor, and a firefighter. My parents never told me I was either of those things. Big decisions need only be personal and made by an adult.

But where do the mentally and physically abused children belond in the matter? Where they belong.

It honestly annoys the fuck out of me that with this concept of being trans, people accept they are different and insist on changing it, yet want everyone else to tell them they are normal and shouldn't be treated differently. If so many transfolk didn't expect so much out of society, more than the average person, then people wouldn't get so pissy about it. Anyone can say "I was this but I need to be this." Whatever, don't care. It's no different than anyone else because everyon has problems. Not every black or native person goes off about genocide or slavery and to me the transpeople that insist on this special treatment are no different. A proud trans person shouldn't be offended if someone thinks they're a man and they shouldn't shy from telling people.

If someone was a man they should play with the men, anyone else who wants to roid out with hormones should find leagues that support steroid use and play with them. If you're gonna use roids it probably doesn't make much a difference if you're a man or a woman. Unless you're talking contact sports like football or even MMA. If you're different then be different, don't expect people to respond well when you ask for special treatment, even if you see it as "fitting in."

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Crystal G said:

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In an ideal world, male to female transgenders should compete with other male to female transgenders, and female to male transgenders would compete with other female to male transgenders. But unfortunately, this is clearly not possible, since in many schools throughout the United States, there will often be only 1, MAYBE 2, transgender students at all.

What do you think should happen to transgenders in sports, should they play against men or women?

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What is astonishing to me is how many transgender individuals get involved in competitive sports specifically
if the option were given, would have avoided phys ed in school all together
it was shit like pushups and running laps; could do that on my own time


transitioning male to female, compete against men
be thankful for an opportunity that other women are not afforded

transitioning female to male, compete against men
be thankful for an opportunity other trans individuals are not afforded



Reflecting on the school level,
would be more concerned with having a private locker room after class
than with a personal league

PreparationH said:

So the kid tried to cut his penis off with scissors and the first thought is "This is normal behavior he just wants to be a she" and not "This kid needs serious mental help."

Hmm

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