Adden said:

This girl Heather in high school was our running back and made varsity her sophomore year. Tiny little thing hit like a truck and ran like a champ.

I work for a package service and we have some women whose strength is unworldly. I've seen some of them take 200lb grills and throw them up on the third belt (overhead press) like it's nothing. One of the girls who works third belt is scary strong. Petite little thing. I wouldn't wanna fight her haha. Most of the women who stay end up being stronger than a lot of men and last longer. After years of doing thousands of 100+ lb packages they sure do get strong. I know it's gonna be a good day when the crybabies call out and they pull the women into unload. Fast and strong and they never burn out holy fuck.

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Moonshoe said:

Transgender people need their own seperate divisions. Its completely unfair for them to compete with cys men or cys women. They need their own seperate divisons for Male to female and female to male transgender people respectively.

The most striking demonstration of this is male to female transgender MMA fighter Falun Fox who although born and went through puberty as a man (and thus has very different physical characteristics such as greater bone density and muscle mass) competes against cys women and physically dominates them.

Its completely unfair. When a person goes through puberty as a man they will always be stronger than someone who went through puberty as a woman. They should obviously not be excluded from participation in sports, neither should they be allowed to compete with cys people.

Simplest and best solution- four seperate categories of competition for cys males, cys females, M to F and F to M trans people respectively.

Its not perfect, but its by far the best option.

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Buried in The Day's report about the race was this fact: "Yearwood (the transgender athlete) ran for the boys' track team in middle school before transitioning to female." In the 100-meter dash, Yearwood won with a time of 12.66 seconds, beating Hall's 12.83 seconds. In the 200-meter dash, Yearwood took first with 26.08 seconds, and Hall placed third with 26.65 seconds.

As The Stream's Rob Shimshock noted, Yearwood's time would have put her in last place in the boy's race. The last-place finisher for the boys' 100-meter dash was Shayne Beckloff, a junior from Waterford High School, with a time of 11.73 seconds. In the 200-meter dash, Terrance Gallishaw, a senior from O'Brien Tech, took last with 25.59 seconds.

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Shroomism said:

I more meant say, women dominate men in that category. That and ultramarathon events, they have the edge.

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I actually wouldn't even say that women dominate men in gymnastics.... because depending on what you're doing, such as rings, it requires a shit ton of upper body strength.

This is the sort of thing a male gymnast would be better at than a female gymnast...

Notice these types of gymnasts tend to be jacked, it's because it requires a ton of strength!

Apollyphelion said:

What about kids that go on puberty blockers and have a puberty that matches their brain sex?
Transwomen like me are gonna die out
to the point where a good portion will be trans people
who had the correct puberty, instead of me who is finally
getting the correct puberty...
and they will be indistinguishable from cis people more or less.

I've only been on T blocks for 9 months
and I could still prolly whoop most women
I'm not sure how years and years of not producing testosterone
effects TransgenderToFemale muscles, but I know I have gotten noticably weaker.

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Crystal G said:

Apollyphelion said:

What about kids that go on puberty blockers and have a puberty that matches their brain sex?
Transwomen like me are gonna die out
to the point where a good portion will be trans people
who had the correct puberty, instead of me who is finally
getting the correct puberty...
and they will be indistinguishable from cis people more or less.

I've only been on T blocks for 9 months
and I could still prolly whoop most women
I'm not sure how years and years of not producing testosterone
effects TransgenderToFemale muscles, but I know I have gotten noticably weaker.

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I could see that being more of a compelling case, if they were on hormone blockers starting as children... There needs to be some definitive science on it first though. Because hormones are only one of many ways male and female anatomy differs. Hormones can't change DNA, for example... so I'm wondering if it would alter your bone density or not.

But, I don't think transwomen like you will die out though. Few parents would be okay with their children transitioning that young. Even parents who are more accepting of transitioning, would want their kids to wait until they are at least 15 or 16 and mature enough to make a permanent decision like that... and many kids have already gone through a bit of puberty by those ages.

And then there are the large portions of parents who wouldn't accept it or tolerate it at all, so in this case the child would have to transition at a later age when they could afford it on their own.

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Crystal G said:

MagicMush123 said:

They should compete against their birth sex.

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They shouldn't, though. That's exactly why I said the Texas (female to male) transgender who competed against other girls wasn't fair at all.... because her being a female to male transgender, gets pumped full of testosterone. That basically means she's on steroids and already gives her a huge advantage above the other girls. It's no wonder she won!

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Ahhhh! Its so complicated!

Transgender should compete againist only other transgender, OR only people who use steroids. Like a "steroids are fair game" sport.

XLCaps said:

No it's a relevant point. That's your problem if you can't handle the fact that he's making it. It's asinine to have a conversation and try to shit on people for having it unless it's specific and in your terms. Conversation doesn't work like that. That's why the derailment rule rarely gets enforced.

It is child abuse. Anyone who lets a kid do this shit is retarded. Puberty blockers? That's honestly terrible. If trans culture starts abusing children more and more just for the sake of fitting in and being PC - then something should be done about it. Kids can't make competent decisions, that's why they have parents. Anyone who can't understand that needs their head examined.

All in all - it makes your point about puberty blocking hormones invalid because child abuse shouldn't support an entertainment industry. Any decent society or person wouldn't allow it.

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Apollyphelion said:

Parents don't choose if their kids are trans
Kids don't choose if they are trans.
Transgenderness has symptoms as obvious as aspergers, and hell
I'd argue even as obvious as an abcessed tooth.
It's not something people choose to have,
thus making treatment medically necessary.
I'd argue you don't really understand this disorder, and the several forms of manifestations and symptoms that come with it.
I didn't choose to be a Nigger, which is the only fitting word
I can only really feel comfortable calling myself in relation
to the rest of society.

Anyway, I say let kids who go on puberty blockers play sports
Maybe have trans people who started post-pubescent be shit out of luck
that's what I would say.

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XLCaps said:

It honestly annoys the fuck out of me that with this concept of being trans, people accept they are different and insist on changing it, yet want everyone else to tell them they are normal and shouldn't be treated differently. If so many transfolk didn't expect so much out of society, more than the average person, then people wouldn't get so pissy about it. Anyone can say "I was this but I need to be this." Whatever, don't care. It's no different than anyone else because everyon has problems. Not every black or native person goes off about genocide or slavery and to me the transpeople that insist on this special treatment are no different. A proud trans person shouldn't be offended if someone thinks they're a man and they shouldn't shy from telling people.

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