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Re: Trump: Flag-Burning Must Have Consequences, 'Perhaps Loss of Citizenship or Year in Jail' [Re: luvdemshrooms] * 1
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luvdemshrooms said:
The Ecstatic said:
luvdemshrooms said:
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It doesn't need to be according to the Supreme Court.



K good luck with thinking that.


Am I incorrect or do you just wish it to be so?


You made sure to leave an ocean of gray area in whatever point youre making, but the only reason corporations are granted this speech is because of the CU SCOTUS ruling.

Like it or not, it is up to them. Sometimes theyre wrong, they often change their minds, but what they say goes. Supreme et al...


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Re: Trump: Flag-Burning Must Have Consequences, 'Perhaps Loss of Citizenship or Year in Jail' [Re: sweeper54]
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Honestly, I remember being real upset when the secret service took away his Twitter and personal blackBerry, I can only assume we are in for a big Trump tantrum/total change in protocol


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Re: Trump: Flag-Burning Must Have Consequences, 'Perhaps Loss of Citizenship or Year in Jail' [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said:
You made sure to leave an ocean of gray area in whatever point youre making, but the only reason corporations are granted this speech is because of the CU SCOTUS ruling.


There's no gray area unless you want there to be one.

Crumist:  Your argument makes sense, but is at odds with centuries of Supreme Court precedent. Now even corporate political donations are speech...
You: Corporations are people, my friend.
Me: Or to put it more accurately... corporations are taxpayers. Do the words... 'no taxation without representation' ring a bell for you?
You: Yeah its in the Declaration of Independence right after the bit about life, liberty, and the pursuit of quarterly profits.
Me: It doesn't need to be according to the Supreme Court. You don't tax without giving the taxee a voice, even though you wish it to be that way.
You: K good luck with thinking that.
Me: Am I incorrect or do you just wish it to be so?
You: You made sure to leave an ocean of gray area in whatever point youre making, but the only reason corporations are granted this speech is because of the CU SCOTUS ruling.
Me: The preceeding

The point is once again that your partisanship stuck it to you. All those responses had to take place before you finally came back to where you should have been to start. The Supreme Court says corporations have the right.

Your attempt to be 'clever' merely displayed your partisanship while simultaneously beclowning yourself.

Clear enough for you now?


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: Trump: Flag-Burning Must Have Consequences, 'Perhaps Loss of Citizenship or Year in Jail' [Re: hostileuniverse] * 3
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hostileuniverse said:
The Supreme Court also once upheld slavery, so it's no surprise that democrats would use that to justify flag burning terrorism as well


Terrorism? Quit using loaded terms to describe something completely unrelated. Who the fuck is flag burning directly harming? You realize you're the exact same as the hyper PC left with your hyper obsessive patriotism, correct?

"OMG I'm so offended, how dare you offend me, you deserve to go to jail for a year or lose your citizenship for offending me"

Burning flags is not an appropriate or "right" thing to do, but that's not the fucking point. The world doesn't revolve around your sense of righteousness. The point is whether or not it is harming anyone, and therefore justifiably *criminal*. The point is whether or not you think everyone else should have to pay to strip these people or their freedom and keep these people in jail just for burning a flag strictly to appease a justice boner.

Meanwhile issues of actual existential threats to our nation and planet go completely unignored due to the obsession over trivial exercises of self-righteousness. There's not enough fucks to give to go around overjudiciating every issue that barely effects anyone. That's the approach of a fascist or absolutist, not a leader of a democratic nation.

If people can burn trash, why can't they burn the flag? What exactly is the criminal difference if it is their own property? It's pretty sad how readily some people would have the freedom of their fellow citizens taken away, regardless of how absurd they think their behavior is which isn't directly infringing upon them.

Edited by Xingu (12/04/16 01:51 PM)

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Re: Trump: Flag-Burning Must Have Consequences, 'Perhaps Loss of Citizenship or Year in Jail' [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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luvdemshrooms said:
The Ecstatic said:
You made sure to leave an ocean of gray area in whatever point youre making, but the only reason corporations are granted this speech is because of the CU SCOTUS ruling.


There's no gray area unless you want there to be one.

Crumist:  Your argument makes sense, but is at odds with centuries of Supreme Court precedent. Now even corporate political donations are speech...
You: Corporations are people, my friend.
Me: Or to put it more accurately... corporations are taxpayers. Do the words... 'no taxation without representation' ring a bell for you?
You: Yeah its in the Declaration of Independence right after the bit about life, liberty, and the pursuit of quarterly profits.
Me: It doesn't need to be according to the Supreme Court. You don't tax without giving the taxee a voice, even though you wish it to be that way.
You: K good luck with thinking that.
Me: Am I incorrect or do you just wish it to be so?
You: You made sure to leave an ocean of gray area in whatever point youre making, but the only reason corporations are granted this speech is because of the CU SCOTUS ruling.
Me: The preceeding

The point is once again that your partisanship stuck it to you. All those responses had to take place before you finally came back to where you should have been to start. The Supreme Court says corporations have the right.

Your attempt to be 'clever' merely displayed your partisanship while simultaneously beclowning yourself.

Clear enough for you now?


Not at all. Maybe even less so.

What does partisanship have to do with SCOTUS rulings?

I'm a hack because I quoted Mittens?


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Re: Trump: Flag-Burning Must Have Consequences, 'Perhaps Loss of Citizenship or Year in Jail' [Re: The Ecstatic]
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People are complaining about corporate speech granted by the SCOTUS ruling on CU.

I dont see how you can say SCOTUS has nothing to do with that.

Maybe you can try elaborating.


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Re: Trump: Flag-Burning Must Have Consequences, 'Perhaps Loss of Citizenship or Year in Jail' [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
hostileuniverse said:
Progressives love to tax anything that moves or breathes and would love to silence any and all dissent,


No - progressives want higher taxes on the rich so the middle and poor don't have to shoulder as much burden.  You knew that, but you love your straw man arguments.

As for silencing free speech, Trump is the one who's threatening free speech (see the topic of this thread), and progressives are the ones who are against that.  You knew that, but you love your straw man arguments.

You should change your sig to "They call me the straw man God because I love to make everything up!"  You're back on ignore for not debating honestly.


You aren't on ignore because I'm not a whiney little bitch :lol:

As for taxation, name me one tax cut that progressives have proposed, oh that's right, you can't because you are afraid to debate me:popcorn:


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Re: Trump: Flag-Burning Must Have Consequences, 'Perhaps Loss of Citizenship or Year in Jail' [Re: hostileuniverse]
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Alright, I'll play ball, this should be an interesting one:

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/01/democrats-call-dibs-on-the-middle-class/384460/

This bill is both introduced and sponsored by the democrats, and is can be defined as a "progressive tax cut."

betcha gonna mention "class warfare"


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Re: Trump: Flag-Burning Must Have Consequences, 'Perhaps Loss of Citizenship or Year in Jail' [Re: Crumist]
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I like It, I think tax cuts are great and the middle class could certainly use the relief

Where were these tax cuts when the democrats had complete control of the federal govt?:popcorn:

This proposal is obviously a lame attempt by democrats to goad voters into believing democrats give a shit about them again, when their ideas have been RESOUNDINGLY REJECTED nationwide :lol:


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Re: Trump: Flag-Burning Must Have Consequences, 'Perhaps Loss of Citizenship or Year in Jail' [Re: hostileuniverse]
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hostileuniverse said:
I like It, I think tax cuts are great and the middle class could certainly use the relief

Where were these tax cuts when the democrats had complete control of the federal govt?:popcorn:

This proposal is obviously a lame attempt by democrats to goad voters into believing democrats give a shit about them again, when their ideas have been RESOUNDINGLY REJECTED nationwide :lol:



So you like the idea when Van Hollen proposes it, but you don't like it when Bernie proposes using the same mechanism to send middle class (and anyone else who is qualified) kids to college?

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Re: Trump: Flag-Burning Must Have Consequences, 'Perhaps Loss of Citizenship or Year in Jail' [Re: hostileuniverse] * 2
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hostileuniverse said:Where were these tax cuts when the democrats had complete control of the federal govt?:popcorn:

This proposal is obviously a lame attempt by democrats to goad voters into believing democrats give a shit about them again, when their ideas have been RESOUNDINGLY REJECTED nationwide :lol:

Quote:
"It's never been about right or left, republican or democrat for me." - hostileuniverse


Your sig is quite handy ballsalsa


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Re: Trump: Flag-Burning Must Have Consequences, 'Perhaps Loss of Citizenship or Year in Jail' [Re: ballsalsa]
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ballsalsa said:
hostileuniverse said:
I like It, I think tax cuts are great and the middle class could certainly use the relief

Where were these tax cuts when the democrats had complete control of the federal govt?:popcorn:

This proposal is obviously a lame attempt by democrats to goad voters into believing democrats give a shit about them again, when their ideas have been RESOUNDINGLY REJECTED nationwide :lol:



So you like the idea when Van Hollen proposes it, but you don't like it when Bernie proposes using the same mechanism to send middle class (and anyone else who is qualified) kids to college?


Bernie proposed tax increases on the middle class, not cuts. He also had many other policies aimed at crippling the US you economy.


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Re: Trump: Flag-Burning Must Have Consequences, 'Perhaps Loss of Citizenship or Year in Jail' [Re: Crumist]
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Crumist said:
Quote:
hostileuniverse said:Where were these tax cuts when the democrats had complete control of the federal govt?:popcorn:

This proposal is obviously a lame attempt by democrats to goad voters into believing democrats give a shit about them again, when their ideas have been RESOUNDINGLY REJECTED nationwide :lol:

Quote:
"It's never been about right or left, republican or democrat for me." - hostileuniverse


Your sig is quite handy ballsalsa


You forgot the part

Quote:
I like It, I think tax cuts are great and the middle class could certainly use the relief


That actually proves my quote in B A L L S A L S A's sig to be factually correct


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Re: Trump: Flag-Burning Must Have Consequences, 'Perhaps Loss of Citizenship or Year in Jail' [Re: hostileuniverse] * 6
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I cannot understand for the life of me why it goes from "Those whiny little social justice warriors" to "You can't burn a symbol (flag) because it is disrespectful and we don't like it". Understand this, that is being a right wing social justice warrior. I also cannot bear seeing people fending off deserved criticism only on the basis that you like a certain politician or not. That is, to be blunt, being a pawn. This has to be one of the most frustrating things about politics, everyone falls in with a certain political group and instead of analyzing each issue, they just inherit the positions of their group on no objective basis logically As for Trump using this to make a mockery of Hillary supporters,unlikely. If it were to happen that way, Trump would only work to undermine his own movement considering that many of his supporters are actually backing him on this.

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Re: Trump: Flag-Burning Must Have Consequences, 'Perhaps Loss of Citizenship or Year in Jail' [Re: Kenneth]
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:thatsaten:


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I am in a minority on the shroomery, as I frequently defend the opposing side when they have a point about something or when my side make believes something about them.  I also attack my side if I think they're wrong.  People here get very confused by that and think it means I prefer the other side.

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Re: Trump: Flag-Burning Must Have Consequences, 'Perhaps Loss of Citizenship or Year in Jail' [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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I never burned a flag of any country and not the one I live in.  I have two small American flags in my front window.  Also  a portrait of Jesus above the fireplace.  I don't particularly believe in any of it 100%.

I also have a large American flag folded as it was folded by the American Legion.  This was covering my fathers remains.

Burning a flag or anything is too misconstrued and not very specific to any one complaint.  For a country like Iran it makes a general statement.  With a news commentator it also highlights a general specific argument.  But for general purposes it does not really make a great sign of commitment to an issue.  It's sorta like suicide saying you are no longer in any respectful relationship with the object you are burning.

I remember when I was at my first Rainbow gathering there was some disrespect to the American flag.  I was a little shocked to see that.  It's understandable that some families just have never been part of the system.

My tax rate is 31.5%.  Most jobs start out about $10 and no benefits.  That's a lot of taxing for having a voice that nobody ever listens to or respects.  So yes I understand why people burn flags or weed or what the fuck ever.


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Re: Trump: Flag-Burning Must Have Consequences, 'Perhaps Loss of Citizenship or Year in Jail' [Re: Morel Guy]
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Have you ever walked into a store, Nat. Guard Armory, Town Hall etc... and told them their flag was unserviceable?

Those people are showing disrespect for the flag also especially a store that is using the flag to prove to you how patriotic they are.

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Re: Trump: Flag-Burning Must Have Consequences, 'Perhaps Loss of Citizenship or Year in Jail' [Re: sweeper54]
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Lot's of people leave their flag up at night and in all weather.  It's supposed to be lite at night if it's kept up.  Also supposed to be taken down in bad weather.  Maybe upside down if shit's really bad.

I was a boyscout, spent a lot of years at the legion and 3 summers at military camp.  All and all I learned alcohol.


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Re: Trump: Flag-Burning Must Have Consequences, 'Perhaps Loss of Citizenship or Year in Jail' [Re: Morel Guy]
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You're a self proclaimed flag waver. Have you ever told someone their flag was unserviceable?

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Re: Trump: Flag-Burning Must Have Consequences, 'Perhaps Loss of Citizenship or Year in Jail' [Re: sweeper54]
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No.  I am just blending in.

It's like if you want to move drugs.  You get a VW bus with hippies, a bass booming shiny rimmed car with gangsta looking guys and a  old lady car with an old lady.

Which vehicle has the drugs?


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