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Adoption Should Be a Public Service, Not a Privatized Good * 6
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You know, I was thinking about how there are practically no qualifications to have children naturally. Any dumb, broke teenager can do it. You can be the biggest fattest retard, or the most violent, alcoholic, low-life criminal, and you can still have a kid.

Then I look at how much some people are quoted in order to be able to adopt, and a lot of them say average adoption fees are around $30,000! Some as high as $50,000!

There should be laws on how much adoption agencies can charge. Adoption should be looked at as a public service and a societal good, not something to privatize and profit off the sale of.

The maximum fee you can charge should be say, $2,000 or so. And that number should be almost free if you adopt a child who is older, or has disabilities or anything. A lot more people would adopt if they didn't place such rigorous restrictions on who is able to do it, and if it wasn't so expensive.

Discuss.

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Re: Adoption Should Be a Public Service, Not a Privatized Good [Re: Crystal G] * 1
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Growing up in an institution is no life for a child.

Its better to have one not too dysfunctional parent than an overworked surrogate in it for the money.

Take it from me: Don't EVER put your kid in ANY SORT OF INSTITUTION.
Its loveless, abuse runs rampant, your kid will be scarred.


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Re: Adoption Should Be a Public Service, Not a Privatized Good [Re: Asante]
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Asante said:
Growing up in an institution is no life for a child.

Its better to have one not too dysfunctional parent than an overworked surrogate in it for the money.

Take it from me: Don't EVER put your kid in ANY SORT OF INSTITUTION.
Its loveless, abuse runs rampant, your kid will be scarred.


Adoption has changed a lot since the 1970's. In the 1970's it used to be that you would drop your kid off at one of those institutions, and you'd probably never hear from them or see them again. You didn't know who would be adopting your family, or what the child's name was going to be changed to.

But nowadays, you as the birth parent have the option to select which family adopts your child. You can even have the child in your care in your home until you choose a family and the adoption papers go through, so that way your kid doesn't spend any time in an orphanage or institution. You can even choose to have contact with your child after the adoption processes, as "open adoption" is a more popular thing now.

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Re: Adoption Should Be a Public Service, Not a Privatized Good [Re: Asante]
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Fuck me, I had no idea you had to pay to adopt!!!!!!!!

I've been considering this at the back of my mind for some time, as there's no chance I'm gonna have kids any time soon, and it seems a more noble choice that adding another human to our overpopulated planet. But that's fucking moronic.

As you say, I find it insane that, as our civilisation has advanced, we have not upped or set standards for people to be able to raise children - it's one of my main reasons for not wanting to have my own - cause I know they'll be surrounded by kids mostly brought up by people who have not the time, patience, emotional ability or capability for unconditional love needed to raise a healthy human. It's probably likely that they'll get the opposite and get abused or mistreated IMO - most people I know were, and it doesn't exactly inspire a good life ahead.

I wonder if it's different here, cause one of my best friends is 57 and has fostered half her life, and I know she gets paid to do it.

Still, it doesn't change the fact that I feel most children are raised in an environment that is very unhealthy for us as humans.

What do you get for the extra $20k anyways CG? Guaranteed good genetics or something? I cannot imagine..


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Re: Adoption Should Be a Public Service, Not a Privatized Good [Re: Crystal G]
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Crystal G said:
You know, I was thinking about how there are practically no qualifications to have children naturally. Any dumb, broke teenager can do it. You can be the biggest fattest retard, or the most violent, alcoholic, low-life criminal, and you can still have a kid.

Then I look at how much some people are quoted in order to be able to adopt, and a lot of them say average adoption fees are around $30,000! Some as high as $50,000!

There should be laws on how much adoption agencies can charge. Adoption should be looked at as a public service and a societal good, not something to privatize and profit off the sale of.

The maximum fee you can charge should be say, $2,000 or so. And that number should be almost free if you adopt a child who is older, or has disabilities or anything. A lot more people would adopt if they didn't place such rigorous restrictions on who is able to do it, and if it wasn't so expensive.

Discuss.


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Re: Adoption Should Be a Public Service, Not a Privatized Good [Re: Citizen X]
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Adoption shouldnt cost that much, who is selling these kids? what the hell?

for a second, almost sounded like u wanted people to take a test to make babies, which i find kinda weird and would be really hard to implement.

But low cost adoption fees, hell ya. $5000 or less.


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Re: Adoption Should Be a Public Service, Not a Privatized Good [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
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Jokeshopbeard said:
Fuck me, I had no idea you had to pay to adopt!!!!!!!!


It might be different depending on your country, but yeah adoption fees are outrageous here. People who have been quoted say it'll cost an average of $30,000 now.

That's why so many prospective parents are going abroad to adopt children. It's still expensive if you adopt abroad, but at least in some of these countries it's only $10,000 or so, compared to the $40,000 it might cost here.

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What do you get for the extra $20k anyways CG? Guaranteed good genetics or something? I cannot imagine..


Honestly, I think agencies and companies are just profiting off the sale of children. There's no guarantee that even if you pay $30K, you won't get a child that isn't mentally ill or autistic or emotionally disturbed or anything. You could still be getting a drug baby from a mom who used drugs all throughout her pregnancy and not even know it.

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Re: Adoption Should Be a Public Service, Not a Privatized Good [Re: Crystal G]
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Man my only response is: Fuck the system. Absolute cunts. It's shit like this that's sending me running for the hills. I can't keep living in an environment that places profit over the wellbeing of humans, it's fucking wearing me down.

Sometimes, I wish I was as blind to it all, or was able to ignore it and get on with it, as so many seem to. But mostly it just makes me wanna run.


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Re: Adoption Should Be a Public Service, Not a Privatized Good [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
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Jokeshopbeard said:
Man my only response is: Fuck the system. Absolute cunts. It's shit like this that's sending me running for the hills. I can't keep living in an environment that places profit over the wellbeing of humans, it's fucking wearing me down.


There was a NY Times bestselling book about this sort of thing. Finding Fernanda. It was a true story about an American mother who adopted a child from Guatemala, only to discover 2 years later that her child was stolen from her birth mother. Her birth mother went to the hospital for a checkup, was given drugs to knock her out, and woke up after a C-section to find that her baby was gone and missing. The child was eventually given back to the birth mother, but years later.

It's crazy too, if you read the details of the story, you'll find that those children were placed for adoption at a nonprofit Christian adoption agency, and were sold for $30,000 legally in the USA.

Stories like these seriously makes you wonder just how many children have been snatched for the sake of profit, to sell to an underground market of prospective parents.

Then you have a different problem in countries like Russia, where orphanages are so underfunded and overcrowded, and abuse among staff is common. Children frequently have mental illness or anger problems as a result, and these Russian orphanages hide the problem so they can quickly get rid of these kids and make a buck. The American parents are never expecting a child with anger problems or psychological issues and aren't well-equipped to handle it, so they quickly end up abandoning these kids in the foster system.

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Re: Adoption Should Be a Public Service, Not a Privatized Good [Re: Crystal G]
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This world is just fucking twisted when it comes to profit. My oldest friend is half Chinese (his mum is from HK) and he was telling me recently how his cousin and aunt were out shopping together there. I can't remember exact details but basically his aunt was abducted, and his cousin found her mum on a rubbish heap out the back of the mall with her organs harvested.

Our civilisation is very, very sick, and I see no signs of it getting better.


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Re: Adoption Should Be a Public Service, Not a Privatized Good [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
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Jokeshopbeard said:
This world is just fucking twisted when it comes to profit. My oldest friend is half Chinese (his mum is from HK) and he was telling me recently how his cousin and aunt were out shopping together there. I can't remember exact details but basically his aunt was abducted, and his cousin found her mum on a rubbish heap out the back of the mall with her organs harvested.


Holy shit!!! She.... died I'm guessing, right? :shocked:

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Re: Adoption Should Be a Public Service, Not a Privatized Good [Re: Crystal G]
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Yeah, she was looking for her mum (the daughter) obviously looking lost and worried, and someone whispered to her where she could find her. Imagine the trauma that girl experienced walking out and finding her mum on a rubbish heap all torn open.

Going back to your last post, I feel any harm done to a child is 1000x worse than the same harm done to an adult, but even they are not adequately protected from traumatising situations because... PROFIT!


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Re: Adoption Should Be a Public Service, Not a Privatized Good [Re: Crystal G]
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Crystal G said:
You know, I was thinking about how there are practically no qualifications to have children naturally. Any dumb, broke teenager can do it. You can be the biggest fattest retard, or the most violent, alcoholic, low-life criminal, and you can still have a kid.

Then I look at how much some people are quoted in order to be able to adopt, and a lot of them say average adoption fees are around $30,000! Some as high as $50,000!

There should be laws on how much adoption agencies can charge. Adoption should be looked at as a public service and a societal good, not something to privatize and profit off the sale of.

The maximum fee you can charge should be say, $2,000 or so. And that number should be almost free if you adopt a child who is older, or has disabilities or anything. A lot more people would adopt if they didn't place such rigorous restrictions on who is able to do it, and if it wasn't so expensive.

Discuss.


considering it takes about a million dollars or something to actually raise a kid, i don't think charging that much to deter idiots or people that don't have the means to care for a kid from adopting, i'd say it's OK. can't really stop them from bringing their own kid into the world i guess, but at least it's harder for them to fuck up a life already in this world

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Re: Adoption Should Be a Public Service, Not a Privatized Good [Re: 404]
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Does it not occur that those likely to adopt would likely be more prepared and efficient parents than your average 18 year old babies raising babies though? Seems obvious to me that would be the case.

WTF you been anyway man, aint seen you for ages.


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Re: Adoption Should Be a Public Service, Not a Privatized Good [Re: 404]
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404 said:
considering it takes about a million dollars or something to actually raise a kid, i don't think charging that much to deter idiots or people that don't have the means to care for a kid from adopting, i'd say it's OK. can't really stop them from bringing their own kid into the world i guess, but at least it's harder for them to fuck up a life already in this world


You really have no concept of money, do you?

Paying a $50,000 price tag up front is not nearly the same thing as spending $50,000 over 2 years in added expenses slowly over time to raise a child.

That million dollar figure is the cost to raise a child until the age of 18. And you're exaggerating the number, it's actually closer a quarter million, roughly $250,000 to raise a child until the age of 18. This amounts to just a little over $1,000 a month.

Plenty of people would be able to spare $1,000 a month to raise a child, who wouldn't be able to afford the price tag of an up-front $50,000 fee. Kids are already expensive, there's no reason to charge a $50,000 price tag on top of that. Just screening the family's income by asking for a copy of their taxes, that alone should be sufficient.

Consider the fact that the average household income for this nation is $50,000 and that's for a family of 3.

Somebody who is making $100,000 per year still would find it difficult to be able to afford a $50,000 price tag up front, just think about that.

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Re: Adoption Should Be a Public Service, Not a Privatized Good [Re: Jokeshopbeard] * 1
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Jokeshopbeard said:
Does it not occur that those likely to adopt would likely be more prepared and efficient parents than your average 18 year old babies raising babies though? Seems obvious to me that would be the case.


Exactly. A lot of people who give their children up for adoptions are doing so for good reasons. They're either too young, they might be homeless, they might be prostitutes or drug addicts, or too poor, they might already have 8 children, etc.

You shouldn't have to be rich to adopt. Practically everybody who is considering adoption is already far more well-equipped financially and emotionally to be parents than the birth parents most likely.

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Re: Adoption Should Be a Public Service, Not a Privatized Good [Re: Asante]
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Asante said:
Growing up in an institution is no life for a child.

Its better to have one not too dysfunctional parent than an overworked surrogate in it for the money.

Take it from me: Don't EVER put your kid in ANY SORT OF INSTITUTION.
Its loveless, abuse runs rampant, your kid will be scarred.


This is a hard core thread

I'd have to say this statement closely mirrors my opinion the most, of all the statements given so far.


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Re: Adoption Should Be a Public Service, Not a Privatized Good [Re: Crystal G]
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Crystal G said:
Jokeshopbeard said:
Does it not occur that those likely to adopt would likely be more prepared and efficient parents than your average 18 year old babies raising babies though? Seems obvious to me that would be the case.


Exactly. A lot of people who give their children up for adoptions are doing so for good reasons. They're either too young, they might be homeless, they might be prostitutes or drug addicts, or too poor, they might already have 8 children, etc.

You shouldn't have to be rich to adopt. Practically everybody who is considering adoption is already far more well-equipped financially and emotionally to be parents than the birth parents most likely.


Most likely is not the same as for sure


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Re: Adoption Should Be a Public Service, Not a Privatized Good [Re: imachavel]
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imachavel said:
Most likely is not the same as for sure


Well I say most likely because you can't always screen for every single thing. 

Somebody may make a good income, have a good credit report, have no medical history, no substance abuse issues, no criminal record, already have 3 children, and still turn out to be a child molestor or abuser or something.

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Re: Adoption Should Be a Public Service, Not a Privatized Good [Re: Jokeshopbeard] * 3
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Jokeshopbeard said:
I wonder if it's different here, cause one of my best friends is 57 and has fostered half her life, and I know she gets paid to do it



the foster system in the US is nothing but a money scheme for the most part, foster
parents in the US make as much as $1500 per month per child with a base of around
$800 per month per child. a friend of mine decided to jump through the hoops to
become a foster parent, he was explaining to me about the classes he was attending
and some of the people in them and even the questions they asked. one lady there was
gearing up to foster 12 children at once, she owned a farm and the things she was
saying led him to believe that her intent was to develop a slave labor force through
the foster care system, she'd be earning money from the labor of these children in
addition to what the state was paying which would be around $10k per month

he had been in the system himself as a kid, his wife's mother also fosters
children, she has 6 that are full time and 2 of those are the favorites, she also
takes in on a short term basis a lot of what they call 'special needs' children
because it pays more, special needs isnt children with handicaps, they're the
children that have been physically or sexually abused, she will take them for a
couple of weeks until child protective services can find them another home and
will trade out all but the two that are her pets within a few months. if she keeps
a kid for a week she's paid for the month. he said she's pulling down around $75k
per year fostering kids. it's tax free because it's doing a public service

the whole system here is corrupt as fuck with hundreds if not thousands of
children being placed in homes where they are sexually assaulted, physically
abused and even killed. the few we hear about are the ones that end up killed
and no DFCS workers were visiting the homes


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