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#23821842 - 11/11/16 03:54 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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You know, I was thinking about how there are practically no qualifications to have children naturally. Any dumb, broke teenager can do it. You can be the biggest fattest retard, or the most violent, alcoholic, low-life criminal, and you can still have a kid.
Then I look at how much some people are quoted in order to be able to adopt, and a lot of them say average adoption fees are around $30,000! Some as high as $50,000!
There should be laws on how much adoption agencies can charge. Adoption should be looked at as a public service and a societal good, not something to privatize and profit off the sale of.
The maximum fee you can charge should be say, $2,000 or so. And that number should be almost free if you adopt a child who is older, or has disabilities or anything. A lot more people would adopt if they didn't place such rigorous restrictions on who is able to do it, and if it wasn't so expensive.
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Re: Adoption Should Be a Public Service, Not a Privatized Good [Re: Crystal G] 1
#23821863 - 11/11/16 04:04 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Growing up in an institution is no life for a child.
Its better to have one not too dysfunctional parent than an overworked surrogate in it for the money.
Take it from me: Don't EVER put your kid in ANY SORT OF INSTITUTION. Its loveless, abuse runs rampant, your kid will be scarred.
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Re: Adoption Should Be a Public Service, Not a Privatized Good [Re: Asante]
#23821877 - 11/11/16 04:12 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Asante said: Growing up in an institution is no life for a child.
Its better to have one not too dysfunctional parent than an overworked surrogate in it for the money.
Take it from me: Don't EVER put your kid in ANY SORT OF INSTITUTION. Its loveless, abuse runs rampant, your kid will be scarred.
Adoption has changed a lot since the 1970's. In the 1970's it used to be that you would drop your kid off at one of those institutions, and you'd probably never hear from them or see them again. You didn't know who would be adopting your family, or what the child's name was going to be changed to.
But nowadays, you as the birth parent have the option to select which family adopts your child. You can even have the child in your care in your home until you choose a family and the adoption papers go through, so that way your kid doesn't spend any time in an orphanage or institution. You can even choose to have contact with your child after the adoption processes, as "open adoption" is a more popular thing now.
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Re: Adoption Should Be a Public Service, Not a Privatized Good [Re: Asante]
#23821878 - 11/11/16 04:14 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Fuck me, I had no idea you had to pay to adopt!!!!!!!!
I've been considering this at the back of my mind for some time, as there's no chance I'm gonna have kids any time soon, and it seems a more noble choice that adding another human to our overpopulated planet. But that's fucking moronic.
As you say, I find it insane that, as our civilisation has advanced, we have not upped or set standards for people to be able to raise children - it's one of my main reasons for not wanting to have my own - cause I know they'll be surrounded by kids mostly brought up by people who have not the time, patience, emotional ability or capability for unconditional love needed to raise a healthy human. It's probably likely that they'll get the opposite and get abused or mistreated IMO - most people I know were, and it doesn't exactly inspire a good life ahead.
I wonder if it's different here, cause one of my best friends is 57 and has fostered half her life, and I know she gets paid to do it.
Still, it doesn't change the fact that I feel most children are raised in an environment that is very unhealthy for us as humans.
What do you get for the extra $20k anyways CG? Guaranteed good genetics or something? I cannot imagine..
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Re: Adoption Should Be a Public Service, Not a Privatized Good [Re: Crystal G]
#23821884 - 11/11/16 04:20 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Crystal G said: You know, I was thinking about how there are practically no qualifications to have children naturally. Any dumb, broke teenager can do it. You can be the biggest fattest retard, or the most violent, alcoholic, low-life criminal, and you can still have a kid.
Then I look at how much some people are quoted in order to be able to adopt, and a lot of them say average adoption fees are around $30,000! Some as high as $50,000!
There should be laws on how much adoption agencies can charge. Adoption should be looked at as a public service and a societal good, not something to privatize and profit off the sale of.
The maximum fee you can charge should be say, $2,000 or so. And that number should be almost free if you adopt a child who is older, or has disabilities or anything. A lot more people would adopt if they didn't place such rigorous restrictions on who is able to do it, and if it wasn't so expensive.
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Re: Adoption Should Be a Public Service, Not a Privatized Good [Re: Citizen X]
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Adoption shouldnt cost that much, who is selling these kids? what the hell?
for a second, almost sounded like u wanted people to take a test to make babies, which i find kinda weird and would be really hard to implement.
But low cost adoption fees, hell ya. $5000 or less.
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Re: Adoption Should Be a Public Service, Not a Privatized Good [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
#23821905 - 11/11/16 04:41 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Jokeshopbeard said: Fuck me, I had no idea you had to pay to adopt!!!!!!!!
It might be different depending on your country, but yeah adoption fees are outrageous here. People who have been quoted say it'll cost an average of $30,000 now.
That's why so many prospective parents are going abroad to adopt children. It's still expensive if you adopt abroad, but at least in some of these countries it's only $10,000 or so, compared to the $40,000 it might cost here.
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What do you get for the extra $20k anyways CG? Guaranteed good genetics or something? I cannot imagine..
Honestly, I think agencies and companies are just profiting off the sale of children. There's no guarantee that even if you pay $30K, you won't get a child that isn't mentally ill or autistic or emotionally disturbed or anything. You could still be getting a drug baby from a mom who used drugs all throughout her pregnancy and not even know it.
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Re: Adoption Should Be a Public Service, Not a Privatized Good [Re: Crystal G]
#23821916 - 11/11/16 04:51 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Man my only response is: Fuck the system. Absolute cunts. It's shit like this that's sending me running for the hills. I can't keep living in an environment that places profit over the wellbeing of humans, it's fucking wearing me down.
Sometimes, I wish I was as blind to it all, or was able to ignore it and get on with it, as so many seem to. But mostly it just makes me wanna run.
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Re: Adoption Should Be a Public Service, Not a Privatized Good [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
#23821942 - 11/11/16 05:06 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Jokeshopbeard said: Man my only response is: Fuck the system. Absolute cunts. It's shit like this that's sending me running for the hills. I can't keep living in an environment that places profit over the wellbeing of humans, it's fucking wearing me down.
There was a NY Times bestselling book about this sort of thing. Finding Fernanda. It was a true story about an American mother who adopted a child from Guatemala, only to discover 2 years later that her child was stolen from her birth mother. Her birth mother went to the hospital for a checkup, was given drugs to knock her out, and woke up after a C-section to find that her baby was gone and missing. The child was eventually given back to the birth mother, but years later.
It's crazy too, if you read the details of the story, you'll find that those children were placed for adoption at a nonprofit Christian adoption agency, and were sold for $30,000 legally in the USA.
Stories like these seriously makes you wonder just how many children have been snatched for the sake of profit, to sell to an underground market of prospective parents.
Then you have a different problem in countries like Russia, where orphanages are so underfunded and overcrowded, and abuse among staff is common. Children frequently have mental illness or anger problems as a result, and these Russian orphanages hide the problem so they can quickly get rid of these kids and make a buck. The American parents are never expecting a child with anger problems or psychological issues and aren't well-equipped to handle it, so they quickly end up abandoning these kids in the foster system.
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Re: Adoption Should Be a Public Service, Not a Privatized Good [Re: Crystal G]
#23821957 - 11/11/16 05:18 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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This world is just fucking twisted when it comes to profit. My oldest friend is half Chinese (his mum is from HK) and he was telling me recently how his cousin and aunt were out shopping together there. I can't remember exact details but basically his aunt was abducted, and his cousin found her mum on a rubbish heap out the back of the mall with her organs harvested.
Our civilisation is very, very sick, and I see no signs of it getting better.
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Re: Adoption Should Be a Public Service, Not a Privatized Good [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
#23821976 - 11/11/16 05:29 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Jokeshopbeard said: This world is just fucking twisted when it comes to profit. My oldest friend is half Chinese (his mum is from HK) and he was telling me recently how his cousin and aunt were out shopping together there. I can't remember exact details but basically his aunt was abducted, and his cousin found her mum on a rubbish heap out the back of the mall with her organs harvested.
Holy shit!!! She.... died I'm guessing, right?
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Re: Adoption Should Be a Public Service, Not a Privatized Good [Re: Crystal G]
#23821990 - 11/11/16 05:39 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah, she was looking for her mum (the daughter) obviously looking lost and worried, and someone whispered to her where she could find her. Imagine the trauma that girl experienced walking out and finding her mum on a rubbish heap all torn open.
Going back to your last post, I feel any harm done to a child is 1000x worse than the same harm done to an adult, but even they are not adequately protected from traumatising situations because... PROFIT!
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Re: Adoption Should Be a Public Service, Not a Privatized Good [Re: Crystal G]
#23822106 - 11/11/16 06:53 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Crystal G said: You know, I was thinking about how there are practically no qualifications to have children naturally. Any dumb, broke teenager can do it. You can be the biggest fattest retard, or the most violent, alcoholic, low-life criminal, and you can still have a kid.
Then I look at how much some people are quoted in order to be able to adopt, and a lot of them say average adoption fees are around $30,000! Some as high as $50,000!
There should be laws on how much adoption agencies can charge. Adoption should be looked at as a public service and a societal good, not something to privatize and profit off the sale of.
The maximum fee you can charge should be say, $2,000 or so. And that number should be almost free if you adopt a child who is older, or has disabilities or anything. A lot more people would adopt if they didn't place such rigorous restrictions on who is able to do it, and if it wasn't so expensive.
Discuss.
considering it takes about a million dollars or something to actually raise a kid, i don't think charging that much to deter idiots or people that don't have the means to care for a kid from adopting, i'd say it's OK. can't really stop them from bringing their own kid into the world i guess, but at least it's harder for them to fuck up a life already in this world
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Re: Adoption Should Be a Public Service, Not a Privatized Good [Re: 404]
#23822112 - 11/11/16 06:58 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Does it not occur that those likely to adopt would likely be more prepared and efficient parents than your average 18 year old babies raising babies though? Seems obvious to me that would be the case.
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Re: Adoption Should Be a Public Service, Not a Privatized Good [Re: 404]
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considering it takes about a million dollars or something to actually raise a kid, i don't think charging that much to deter idiots or people that don't have the means to care for a kid from adopting, i'd say it's OK. can't really stop them from bringing their own kid into the world i guess, but at least it's harder for them to fuck up a life already in this world
You really have no concept of money, do you?
Paying a $50,000 price tag up front is not nearly the same thing as spending $50,000 over 2 years in added expenses slowly over time to raise a child.
That million dollar figure is the cost to raise a child until the age of 18. And you're exaggerating the number, it's actually closer a quarter million, roughly $250,000 to raise a child until the age of 18. This amounts to just a little over $1,000 a month.
Plenty of people would be able to spare $1,000 a month to raise a child, who wouldn't be able to afford the price tag of an up-front $50,000 fee. Kids are already expensive, there's no reason to charge a $50,000 price tag on top of that. Just screening the family's income by asking for a copy of their taxes, that alone should be sufficient.
Consider the fact that the average household income for this nation is $50,000 and that's for a family of 3.
Somebody who is making $100,000 per year still would find it difficult to be able to afford a $50,000 price tag up front, just think about that.
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Re: Adoption Should Be a Public Service, Not a Privatized Good [Re: Jokeshopbeard] 1
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Jokeshopbeard said: Does it not occur that those likely to adopt would likely be more prepared and efficient parents than your average 18 year old babies raising babies though? Seems obvious to me that would be the case.
Exactly. A lot of people who give their children up for adoptions are doing so for good reasons. They're either too young, they might be homeless, they might be prostitutes or drug addicts, or too poor, they might already have 8 children, etc.
You shouldn't have to be rich to adopt. Practically everybody who is considering adoption is already far more well-equipped financially and emotionally to be parents than the birth parents most likely.
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Re: Adoption Should Be a Public Service, Not a Privatized Good [Re: Asante]
#23822186 - 11/11/16 07:32 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Asante said: Growing up in an institution is no life for a child.
Its better to have one not too dysfunctional parent than an overworked surrogate in it for the money.
Take it from me: Don't EVER put your kid in ANY SORT OF INSTITUTION. Its loveless, abuse runs rampant, your kid will be scarred.
This is a hard core thread
I'd have to say this statement closely mirrors my opinion the most, of all the statements given so far.
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Re: Adoption Should Be a Public Service, Not a Privatized Good [Re: Crystal G]
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Jokeshopbeard said: Does it not occur that those likely to adopt would likely be more prepared and efficient parents than your average 18 year old babies raising babies though? Seems obvious to me that would be the case.
Exactly. A lot of people who give their children up for adoptions are doing so for good reasons. They're either too young, they might be homeless, they might be prostitutes or drug addicts, or too poor, they might already have 8 children, etc.
You shouldn't have to be rich to adopt. Practically everybody who is considering adoption is already far more well-equipped financially and emotionally to be parents than the birth parents most likely.
Most likely is not the same as for sure
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Re: Adoption Should Be a Public Service, Not a Privatized Good [Re: imachavel]
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Most likely is not the same as for sure
Well I say most likely because you can't always screen for every single thing.
Somebody may make a good income, have a good credit report, have no medical history, no substance abuse issues, no criminal record, already have 3 children, and still turn out to be a child molestor or abuser or something.
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Re: Adoption Should Be a Public Service, Not a Privatized Good [Re: Jokeshopbeard] 3
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Jokeshopbeard said: I wonder if it's different here, cause one of my best friends is 57 and has fostered half her life, and I know she gets paid to do it
the foster system in the US is nothing but a money scheme for the most part, foster parents in the US make as much as $1500 per month per child with a base of around $800 per month per child. a friend of mine decided to jump through the hoops to become a foster parent, he was explaining to me about the classes he was attending and some of the people in them and even the questions they asked. one lady there was gearing up to foster 12 children at once, she owned a farm and the things she was saying led him to believe that her intent was to develop a slave labor force through the foster care system, she'd be earning money from the labor of these children in addition to what the state was paying which would be around $10k per month
he had been in the system himself as a kid, his wife's mother also fosters children, she has 6 that are full time and 2 of those are the favorites, she also takes in on a short term basis a lot of what they call 'special needs' children because it pays more, special needs isnt children with handicaps, they're the children that have been physically or sexually abused, she will take them for a couple of weeks until child protective services can find them another home and will trade out all but the two that are her pets within a few months. if she keeps a kid for a week she's paid for the month. he said she's pulling down around $75k per year fostering kids. it's tax free because it's doing a public service
the whole system here is corrupt as fuck with hundreds if not thousands of children being placed in homes where they are sexually assaulted, physically abused and even killed. the few we hear about are the ones that end up killed and no DFCS workers were visiting the homes
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Re: Adoption Should Be a Public Service, Not a Privatized Good [Re: Crystal G]
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considering it takes about a million dollars or something to actually raise a kid, i don't think charging that much to deter idiots or people that don't have the means to care for a kid from adopting, i'd say it's OK. can't really stop them from bringing their own kid into the world i guess, but at least it's harder for them to fuck up a life already in this world
You really have no concept of money, do you?
Paying a $50,000 price tag up front is not nearly the same thing as spending $50,000 over 2 years in added expenses slowly over time to raise a child.
That million dollar figure is the cost to raise a child until the age of 18. And you're exaggerating the number, it's actually closer a quarter million, roughly $250,000 to raise a child until the age of 18. This amounts to just a little over $1,000 a month.
Plenty of people would be able to spare $1,000 a month to raise a child, who wouldn't be able to afford the price tag of an up-front $50,000 fee. Kids are already expensive, there's no reason to charge a $50,000 price tag on top of that. Just screening the family's income by asking for a copy of their taxes, that alone should be sufficient.
Consider the fact that the average household income for this nation is $50,000 and that's for a family of 3.
Somebody who is making $100,000 per year still would find it difficult to be able to afford a $50,000 price tag up front, just think about that.
you're focusing on only one area of adoption which is private adoption agencies while interjecting things about the foster system, agencies find mothers seeking to give up their kid quickly after birth, those are the ones that charge huge fees, older kids are typically adopted from state funded group homes and foster care systems in which those adoptive parents are typically paid until the kid is 18 and even longer in some cases
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Re: Adoption Should Be a Public Service, Not a Privatized Good [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23822249 - 11/11/16 08:09 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Sanguin3 said: I agree with everything other than the $2000 max fee, it should be free. You're doing a public service you shouldn't have to pay for it.
In theory this should be absolutely true and I agree with it. I just suggested up to a $2,000 fee because I'm sure it costs some money to process legal paperwork and things like that, and also there should be some small amount of payment for administrative costs and things like that. I don't know how much all this should cost, but it definitely shouldn't be over a couple thousand dollars.
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You should have to prove you make a minimum amount though. Maybe that's part of the reason fees are so high? Otherwise people would be going out picking up kids just for the tax/welfare benefits.
They already do this. They don't just give kids to just anybody, you have to have a background check, you have to prove your income, you have to prove you're living in a home or an apartment, etc.
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Prisoner#1 said: you're focusing on only one area of adoption which is private adoption agencies while interjecting things about the foster system, agencies find mothers seeking to give up their kid quickly after birth, those are the ones that charge huge fees, older kids are typically adopted from state funded group homes and foster care systems in which those adoptive parents are typically paid until the kid is 18 and even longer in some cases
Ah yeah, that's true. Though kids in the foster care system are usually taken away by force by CPS, meaning they are often going to be children from neglected or abused homes who may therefore have psychological problems or mental illness from being in these homes.
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Re: Adoption Should Be a Public Service, Not a Privatized Good [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said: the foster system in the US is nothing but a money scheme for the most part, foster parents in the US make as much as $1500 per month per child with a base of around $800 per month per child. a friend of mine decided to jump through the hoops to become a foster parent, he was explaining to me about the classes he was attending and some of the people in them and even the questions they asked. one lady there was gearing up to foster 12 children at once, she owned a farm and the things she was saying led him to believe that her intent was to develop a slave labor force through the foster care system, she'd be earning money from the labor of these children in addition to what the state was paying which would be around $10k per month
$1500 per month, this is just as bad as the old "welfare queen" myth.
A quick search reveals that foster care rates range from $657 to $820 depending on age and needs of the child. That basically amounts to less than $25 per day, or $1 per hour.
Seems like an inefficient way to make money if you ask me.
Not only that, but foster parents are required to prove that they can support a child even without the monthly subsidy.
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Re: Adoption Should Be a Public Service, Not a Privatized Good [Re: Crystal G]
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that's not really the case. many states have a mandatory reporting law for psychologists, teachers and doctors, the county I live in has 3x the number of kids in foster care than any other county in the state, it's not because they're abused, it's because DFCS has become overzealous, taking the attitude of 'better safe than sorry'. kids with behavioral issues are learning to take advantage of this while the schools teach them vague bullshit terms such as "if someone makes you uncomfortable then you need to report that immediately" which results in DFCS intervention, if the parent doesnt completely submit to the whims of the investigating officer or decides to stand up for their children's and their own rights, DFCS removes the children and places them in foster care with no investigation, they then file a lawsuit, they dont arrest but they sue the parent for custody even though they've taken the kids already and once they take the kids the truth doesnt matter, in fact the truth didnt matter to begin with.
now once the kids are in the system and you're subpoenaed for a court hearing to determine your fitness as a parent, you have no rights, there is no jury trial, you do not hear any evidence against you, you arent even present in the courtroom while testimony is given. from here you have 2 options, you can bow to the whims of the court and they'll most likely allow you to have your kids back or you can fight it and they'll keep your kids for a few years while they drag out a court case against you. and no matter what you will jump through the hoops they set in front of you to prove you're a worthy parent even if all the allegations were a lie and none were even levied against you but against someone else and that's all because you dared to question them
I can tell yo for a fact that you again have no clue what the fuck you're talking about, the system is corrupt, I've seen it over the last 30 years when the cops called DFCS to remove an abused and neglected child from a home of one of my brother's neighbors, the ex girlfriend of one of my friends, the child was never removed. I saw it while investigating the claims of a convicted child molester and his entire family including the alleged victim, the DFCS agent in his case placed 5 children from the same family into 3 different foster homes and never once did a welfare check. all 5 of them ended up being molested and one of them was murdered in order to cover the crime
so yes, while there are many instances where children are removed from abusive homes, it's far more frequent that there is no wrong doing in the home or that a child simply got into some serious trouble and the state decides to step in
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Re: Adoption Should Be a Public Service, Not a Privatized Good [Re: Crystal G]
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$1500 per month, this is just as bad as the old "welfare queen" myth.
A quick search reveals that foster care rates range from $657 to $820 depending on age and needs of the child. That basically amounts to less than $25 per day, or $1 per hour.
it's no myth nor is the welfare queen shit a myth.
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Re: Adoption Should Be a Public Service, Not a Privatized Good [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said: that's not really the case. many states have a mandatory reporting law for psychologists, teachers and doctors, the county I live in has 3x the number of kids in foster care than any other county in the state, it's not because they're abused, it's because DFCS has become overzealous, taking the attitude of 'better safe than sorry'. kids with behavioral issues are learning to take advantage of this while the schools teach them vague bullshit terms such as "if someone makes you uncomfortable then you need to report that immediately" which results in DFCS intervention, if the parent doesnt completely submit to the whims of the investigating officer or decides to stand up for their children's and their own rights, DFCS removes the children and places them in foster care with no investigation, they then file a lawsuit, they dont arrest but they sue the parent for custody even though they've taken the kids already and once they take the kids the truth doesnt matter, in fact the truth didnt matter to begin with.
now once the kids are in the system and you're subpoenaed for a court hearing to determine your fitness as a parent, you have no rights, there is no jury trial, you do not hear any evidence against you, you arent even present in the courtroom while testimony is given. from here you have 2 options, you can bow to the whims of the court and they'll most likely allow you to have your kids back or you can fight it and they'll keep your kids for a few years while they drag out a court case against you. and no matter what you will jump through the hoops they set in front of you to prove you're a worthy parent even if all the allegations were a lie and none were even levied against you but against someone else and that's all because you dared to question them
That's interesting that you think the state is over-eager to remove children, I always thought that it was quite difficult to have children removed from the home. I mean lots of people report abuse or child molestation, and usually it seems all that happens is CPS comes to pay a visit and if the home checks out okay, nothing happens. Seems something really drastic has to happen, like visible injuries on a child or a 911 call or evidence of drug use, for a child to be completely removed from the home.
This frequently happens in a lot of bitter custody cases even, people will accuse their spouse or whatever of hitting or touching the child, but many times these claims aren't even investigated and the accused parent is still given partial custody anyway.
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considering it takes about a million dollars or something to actually raise a kid, i don't think charging that much to deter idiots or people that don't have the means to care for a kid from adopting, i'd say it's OK. can't really stop them from bringing their own kid into the world i guess, but at least it's harder for them to fuck up a life already in this world
You really have no concept of money, do you?
Paying a $50,000 price tag up front is not nearly the same thing as spending $50,000 over 2 years in added expenses slowly over time to raise a child.
That million dollar figure is the cost to raise a child until the age of 18. And you're exaggerating the number, it's actually closer a quarter million, roughly $250,000 to raise a child until the age of 18. This amounts to just a little over $1,000 a month.
Plenty of people would be able to spare $1,000 a month to raise a child, who wouldn't be able to afford the price tag of an up-front $50,000 fee. Kids are already expensive, there's no reason to charge a $50,000 price tag on top of that. Just screening the family's income by asking for a copy of their taxes, that alone should be sufficient.
Consider the fact that the average household income for this nation is $50,000 and that's for a family of 3.
Somebody who is making $100,000 per year still would find it difficult to be able to afford a $50,000 price tag up front, just think about that.
you're focusing on only one area of adoption which is private adoption agencies while interjecting things about the foster system, agencies find mothers seeking to give up their kid quickly after birth, those are the ones that charge huge fees, older kids are typically adopted from state funded group homes and foster care systems in which those adoptive parents are typically paid until the kid is 18 and even longer in some cases
Considering Crystal G is an admitted drug raper and junkie, I don't think she really should be worrying about adopting kids at any point in her life anyway.
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Whatever CG has admitted here in the past, that's a really shitty and lazy argument to fall back on.
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Re: Adoption Should Be a Public Service, Not a Privatized Good [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
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Yeah? I disagree completely, she really shouldn't be worrying about this at all with that considered.
Anyway, nothing she really said changed what i think about the matter. whethere it's 250k or 1 mil, it's still a lot of money to raise a kid properly. i'm pretty sure all of this is moot anyway on both sides considering that there are probably more restrictions in the adoption process anyway other than having to shell out to do so. sure, 50k is a bit high i can agree there, but making it 2k? nah.
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Re: Adoption Should Be a Public Service, Not a Privatized Good [Re: Crystal G]
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Crystal G said: That's interesting that you think the state is over-eager to remove children, I always thought that it was quite difficult to have children removed from the home.
all it takes is for a state employee to say "I fell the child is in danger", the qualifications for removing a child are minimal and there are no parental rights in juvenile court. the state holds all the power
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This frequently happens in a lot of bitter custody cases even, people will accuse their spouse or whatever of hitting or touching the child, but many times these claims aren't even investigated and the accused parent is still given partial custody anyway.
in custody cases it's common for one to accuse the other of abuse, this isnt juvenile court which is where these DFCS cases are heard, judges in divorce cases arent investigators and frequently dismiss these allegations unless there is something that corroborates it such as an open case of abuse
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What do my sex and drug use have anything to do in a thread where people are talking about the philosophical concept of adoption
Is this a thread about ME adopting somebody? No. So shut the fuck up.
Jesus people always bring up the dumbest, most irrelevant shit.
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considering it takes about a million dollars or something to actually raise a kid, i don't think charging that much to deter idiots or people that don't have the means to care for a kid from adopting, i'd say it's OK. can't really stop them from bringing their own kid into the world i guess, but at least it's harder for them to fuck up a life already in this world
You really have no concept of money, do you?
Paying a $50,000 price tag up front is not nearly the same thing as spending $50,000 over 2 years in added expenses slowly over time to raise a child.
That million dollar figure is the cost to raise a child until the age of 18. And you're exaggerating the number, it's actually closer a quarter million, roughly $250,000 to raise a child until the age of 18. This amounts to just a little over $1,000 a month.
Plenty of people would be able to spare $1,000 a month to raise a child, who wouldn't be able to afford the price tag of an up-front $50,000 fee. Kids are already expensive, there's no reason to charge a $50,000 price tag on top of that. Just screening the family's income by asking for a copy of their taxes, that alone should be sufficient.
Consider the fact that the average household income for this nation is $50,000 and that's for a family of 3.
Somebody who is making $100,000 per year still would find it difficult to be able to afford a $50,000 price tag up front, just think about that.
you're focusing on only one area of adoption which is private adoption agencies while interjecting things about the foster system, agencies find mothers seeking to give up their kid quickly after birth, those are the ones that charge huge fees, older kids are typically adopted from state funded group homes and foster care systems in which those adoptive parents are typically paid until the kid is 18 and even longer in some cases
Considering Crystal G is an admitted drug raper and junkie, I don't think she really should be worrying about adopting kids at any point in her life anyway.
she's simply expressing her thoughts on the subject
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Re: Adoption Should Be a Public Service, Not a Privatized Good [Re: Crystal G]
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Crystal G said: What do my sex and drug use have anything to do in a thread where people are talking about the philosophical concept of adoption
Is this a thread about ME adopting somebody? No. So shut the fuck up.
Jesus people always bring up the dumbest, most irrelevant shit.
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Re: Adoption Should Be a Public Service, Not a Privatized Good [Re: 404] 2
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404 said: Yeah? I disagree completely, she really shouldn't be worrying about this at all with that considered.
That's a pretty narrow minded view. I've done some awfully shitty things in the past, things I will admit, but I'm certainly ashamed to admit them. Does any of that horrible shit I did in my teens/20's have any effect on the honest, honourable, kind, loving, compassionate human being I strive to be now in my 30's?
I've done a 180 on my old ways, perhaps CG has too, and yet you fall back onto judging her, like your shit dont stink neither.
Wise up man. People change. If you haven't by now, and refuse to recognise that others do too, then you got issues.
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Oh god. I suddenly realised you're just another Sheekle in disguise. Forget my last statement, it'll surely be lost on you if that is the way you retort.
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Re: Adoption Should Be a Public Service, Not a Privatized Good [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
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That's a pretty narrow minded view. I've done some awfully shitty things in the past, things I will admit, but I'm certainly ashamed to admit them. Does any of that horrible shit I did in my teens/20's have any effect on the honest, honourable, kind, loving, compassionate human being I strive to be now in my 30's?
I've done a 180 on my old ways, perhaps CG has too, and yet you fall back onto judging her, like your shit dont stink neither.
Wise up man. People change. If you haven't by now, and refuse to recognise that others do too, then you got issues.
if this had been another poster like say, seashrooms, you'd be singing a different tune.
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Re: Adoption Should Be a Public Service, Not a Privatized Good [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
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Oh god. I suddenly realised you're just another Sheekle in disguise. Forget my last statement, it'll surely be lost on you if that is the way you retort.
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Re: Adoption Should Be a Public Service, Not a Privatized Good [Re: Jokeshopbeard] 1
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Thanks jokeshop, I appreciate it. It's obvious he's deliberately provoking and trolling, his last few comments pretty much solidified it. This is pretty much the exact response he wants.
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Re: Adoption Should Be a Public Service, Not a Privatized Good [Re: Crystal G]
#23822573 - 11/11/16 10:28 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Don't provoke me then
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404 said: if this had been another poster like say, seashrooms, you'd be singing a different tune.
Your assumption of what goes through my mind just makes you look like a fucking moron. You have no idea what happens in mine, nor anyone elses head. Anyone can make good on their mistakes if they truly decide to, peado, serial killer, dictator, etc. Even you and your judgemental bullshit can be rescinded with effort and dedication.
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No sweat CG. This is the second time I've defended a impartial opinion towards a judgemntal fucker in as many days. I won't ever stop if I see it either. I despise injustice, and comments like those made above fucking reek of it.
And now he accuses you of provoking him when he waded into your thread, which was cruising until he stepped in. Yeah 404, that makes perfect sense.
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Re: Adoption Should Be a Public Service, Not a Privatized Good [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
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Yeah, fuck you too.
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Re: Adoption Should Be a Public Service, Not a Privatized Good [Re: 404]
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Great comeback. Someone please post that gream of the slowclap. This man deserves it.
You never answered when I asked where you've been earlier 404. Given your attitude right now I'm thinking it wasn't somewhere good...
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Re: Adoption Should Be a Public Service, Not a Privatized Good [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
#23822616 - 11/11/16 10:49 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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You judge people every day. everyone does, it's a part of the human condition. don't sit there and accuse me of being judgemental when you yourself (albeit in a much more lax way) do the same thing. And to answer you question, no, and it hasn't been "somewhere good" in years.
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Re: Adoption Should Be a Public Service, Not a Privatized Good [Re: 404]
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I agree, it's unavoidable, every human alive has the capability for the best and worst traits of our condition. But we can temper it and try to be just, and that's fucking hard work.
You walked in on someone else's discussion and then slated them personally, when they were arguing a social issue. It was entirely uncalled for. It's not made me judge your character, I think you're an alright dude, but right here you acted like a dick.
Shit happens, we all do it, and I ain't tryna make you feel bad, just pointing out a clear injustice.
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Re: Adoption Should Be a Public Service, Not a Privatized Good [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
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foster parents even step parents are like 99% more likely to molest their kids kids don't get molested by their fathers
my friend almost got taken away becase a neighbor saw him smoke a ciggerette when he was like 12 then cps shows up and they walk right into the backyard depending on what they find BOOM kid could be in anothers home and miserable because his mom drinks and drives or smokes pot
sounds like human trafficking doesnt it?
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Re: Adoption Should Be a Public Service, Not a Privatized Good [Re: Konyap]
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It's that kind of black and white thinking that perpetuates these kind of issues. I know two people that have had this horrible abuse afflicted on them, and have seen the damage it's done. It's fucking horrific.
Please, in the name of all that is good, try and keep a bit more of an open mind.
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Re: Adoption Should Be a Public Service, Not a Privatized Good [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
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I got concussions and a bruised throat once a year for 7 years when I lived with my older brother and never once threw a single punch No one gave a shit or treated me any better because I was an adult, I didn't turn out to be some drug addict society drop out
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Re: Adoption Should Be a Public Service, Not a Privatized Good [Re: Konyap]
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I don't see what that has to do with what I said, but that sounds fucking shit man. We all get abused in some was when we're young, but abuse of a sexual nature does the most harm by far IMO. The way you trivialised it concerns me.
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Re: Adoption Should Be a Public Service, Not a Privatized Good [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
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Maybe you should have thrown a punch. If I treated my brother like that I'd hope to God he hit me back. Not be a little pussy about it.
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hey weighs 100 pounds is ten years older more and played football in college being an alcoholic sellin roids in college probably every year I'd get tripped, punched against the "rug" or stomped, me punching someone is like being punched by a girl, I dont' even go out in public much because of the way my infection looks and on top of that my eyelid is permanently damaged
if I saw someone getting jumped i'd probably kill a bunch of people because it's easier lol just stab em in the throat or shoot em it'd take four years of training an hour a day before you'd be able to fight anybody and then you still gotta work out i'm sure teaching your brother how to accidently kill people with his hands will work out for you
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I know teachers diddle kids, priest, step fathers, but I've never heard of a father diddling his own kid ever. Maybe a relative or something... family friend.
Edited by Konyap (11/11/16 10:16 PM)
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Re: Adoption Should Be a Public Service, Not a Privatized Good [Re: Crystal G]
#23824290 - 11/11/16 10:17 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Konyap said: kids don't get molested by their fathers
You don't seriously believe that do you?
he probably does, he's like you when it comes to making up statistics so he probably believes that shit
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Re: Adoption Should Be a Public Service, Not a Privatized Good [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23824297 - 11/11/16 10:20 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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african tribal leaders getting their ***** ****ed by their grandsons doesn't count either that's a rite of passage so is chopping off your daughters genitalia in muslim countries in africa
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Re: Adoption Should Be a Public Service, Not a Privatized Good [Re: Konyap]
#23824307 - 11/11/16 10:25 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Konyap said: I know teachers diddle kids, priest, step fathers, but I've never heard of a father diddling his own kid ever. Maybe a relative or something... family friend.
It happens. Quite a bit. Some fathers take the love a little too far.
Why not. You'll have a hotter version of there mom that you get to mold into whatever you want. How do you see that not happening?
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Re: Adoption Should Be a Public Service, Not a Privatized Good [Re: Enjoywho]
#23824315 - 11/11/16 10:27 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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most people are programmed not to do stuff with siblings based on smell alone
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Re: Adoption Should Be a Public Service, Not a Privatized Good [Re: Konyap]
#23824337 - 11/11/16 10:34 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Konyap said: I know teachers diddle kids, priest, step fathers, but I've never heard of a father diddling his own kid ever. Maybe a relative or something... family friend.
What are you talking about, lots of people have been raped or molested by their fathers.
I don't understand why you think this isn't possible, this is something that has been happening all throughout history even earlier than biblical times. In fact quite many religions have some stories of fathers having sex with their own children in it.
Rape exists in nature. Incest exists in nature. Why wouldn't incestuous rape exist?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/10/19/father-who-repeatedly-raped-his-12-year-old-daughter-gets-60-day-sentence-fury-erupts/
http://tmzhiphop.com/fathers-chilling-confession-on-how-he-raped-4yr-old-daughter-to-death/
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2137303/Emma-Frost-raped-father-forced-play-wife-reveals-decade-abuse-tore-apart.html
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Re: Adoption Should Be a Public Service, Not a Privatized Good [Re: Konyap]
#23824410 - 11/11/16 10:58 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Konyap said: most people are programmed not to do stuff with siblings based on smell alone
I've been with some nasty ass ratchet bitches that have smelled all sorts of of funky. It's not smell that keeps me from fucking my sisters. 
They're my sisters and I'm a stable human being. Just look at how much sister fucking brother. Daddy fucking daughter. Etc etc porn there is out there and they are some of the top searches.
They're are a metric fuck ton of older siblings molesting they're younger opposite or same sex. What are you talking about?
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Re: Adoption Should Be a Public Service, Not a Privatized Good [Re: Enjoywho]
#23824430 - 11/11/16 11:08 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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again i've never heard of that happening locally
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Re: Adoption Should Be a Public Service, Not a Privatized Good [Re: Konyap]
#23824451 - 11/11/16 11:13 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Konyap said: again i've never heard of that happening locally
dont assume that simply because you've never heard of hit happening that it doesnt happen
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Re: Adoption Should Be a Public Service, Not a Privatized Good [Re: Konyap]
#23824459 - 11/11/16 11:15 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Konyap said: again i've never heard of that happening locally
And its widely under reported. As they are in a position of power. Even rape amongst adults is widely under reported.
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Re: Adoption Should Be a Public Service, Not a Privatized Good [Re: Enjoywho]
#23824470 - 11/11/16 11:19 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Konyap said: again i've never heard of that happening locally
And its widely under reported. As they are in a position of power. Even rape amongst adults is widely under reported.
it's grossly under reported because they try to protect the identity of the victims
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Re: Adoption Should Be a Public Service, Not a Privatized Good [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23824555 - 11/11/16 11:52 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Enjoywho means victims aren't reporting to police at all, that's what he means by underreporting.
Incestuous crimes are really complicated, because the parent child bond is so complex and deep. A lot of children still love their parents deeply even after getting abused and raped by them.
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Re: Adoption Should Be a Public Service, Not a Privatized Good [Re: Crystal G]
#23824571 - 11/11/16 11:56 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yea. I was going to elaborate but I already knew you would. 
Hell my dad was pretty abusive to my mom growing up. I got really good at lieing to police.
My dad has done a lot of horrible things. But he's still my father and we get along pretty well for small periods of time. Is what it is. So it is rather complex all though he never harmed me or my siblings.
Got a few ass whippins in my day but I had to really push it for that to happen. Didn't get beat or anything but that made me act proper for however long it took me to be an asshole kid again.
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Re: Adoption Should Be a Public Service, Not a Privatized Good [Re: Enjoywho]
#23824625 - 11/12/16 12:26 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Enjoywho said: Yea. I was going to elaborate but I already knew you would. 
Hell my dad was pretty abusive to my mom growing up. I got really good at lieing to police.
My dad has done a lot of horrible things. But he's still my father and we get along pretty well for small periods of time. Is what it is. So it is rather complex all though he never harmed me or my siblings.
Got a few ass whippins in my day but I had to really push it for that to happen. Didn't get beat or anything but that made me act proper for however long it took me to be an asshole kid again.
I'm also not convinced it's that easy to confiscate a child from the house. CPS was called to my house a couple times when I was in elementary school, because people reported it when they saw me getting hit outside the house.
Basically all that happened was CPS would come to the house once, they'd look through the house and interview everybody, and if everything checked out okay that was it. There was no removal from the home and there was not ever any follow-up check. I'm really not that convinced that it's that easy to remove a kid from the house unless there's very good reason, like visible injuries on a child.
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Re: Adoption Should Be a Public Service, Not a Privatized Good [Re: Crystal G] 1
#23824655 - 11/12/16 12:47 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Adoption should be looked at as a public service and a societal good, not something to privatize and profit off the sale of.
Children are valuable commodities, artifically devaluing our livestock will crash the whole market, jobs will be lost, traffic jams and heat waves will pile up, jews will roam the nights. What you're suggesting isn't sensible.
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