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Offlineakira_akuma
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Humor (Discussion)
    #23759957 - 10/22/16 04:26 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/humor/#HumBadRep http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/humor/

"why did the chicken cross the road? -- to get to the other side." the ultimate dad joke (it's also pointing to the paradoxical nature of the art, expression and philosophy of humor)

i now understand this joke. the joke is about happenstance*...outside of fictional comedy, and humorous repartee, raillery, badinage, and  persiflage, this happenstance is seemingly the only non-malicious comedy.

if you think about it, it's sorta true...we all laugh at what exactly? how fucked up everything is; that's literally what for.

* in otherwords: "We have a prosaic background of common sense and everyday reality; upon this background an unexpected idea suddenly impinges. But the thing is a futility. The comic accident falsifies the nature before us, starts a wrong analogy in the mind, a suggestion that cannot be carried out. In a word, we are in the presence of an absurdity, and man, being a rational animal, can like absurdity no better than he can like hunger or cold."

-- George Santayana (RE: so we laugh to sway the feeling of unease. but this is relative of happenstance...not constructed humor. there's a difference.)

the philosophy of humor is Happenstance
the art of comedy (for an audience) is The Unexpected


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Re: Humor (Discussion) [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23760021 - 10/22/16 05:25 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

hahahahahaha


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Re: Humor (Discussion) [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23760066 - 10/22/16 06:04 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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if you think about it, it's sorta true...we all laugh at what exactly? how fucked up everything is;...



or how things are as expected yet not as expected

not so much that the world is fucked up but that our way in the world (through expectation) is flawed and we know it so we laugh at ourselves.


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Re: Humor (Discussion) [Re: redgreenvines]
    #23760125 - 10/22/16 07:00 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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not so much that the world is fucked up but that our way in the world (through expectation) is flawed and we know it so we laugh at ourselves.



correct, insofar as planned/fictional comic humor is concerned. good contribution. you've effectively steered my rhetoric. but that is ABSOLUTELY something that i damn well thought and wish i had mentioned now. expectations are flawed...this is one reason we laugh (feigned laughter) at the pretense of jokes. though through happenstance, we may laugh not only at ourselves personally, or ourselves as the human race, but we may also laugh at others, maliciously, expectedly


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Re: Humor (Discussion) [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
    #23760298 - 10/22/16 09:00 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

the laughing at self (and humanity) is good natured and enlightened while the laughing at others (specifically) is degenerate and idiotic,

part of the human condition is the fluctuation between that clear minded version of self and outright stupid fuckheadedness.


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Re: Humor (Discussion) [Re: redgreenvines] * 1
    #23760392 - 10/22/16 09:51 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Speaking of stupid fuckheadedness.


    Why did the dead baby cross the road? Cause it was stapled to the chicken.

Meanspirited humor has been a mainstay since at least Lenny Bruce and Redd Foxx. At least 90% of newer comics that get big cable features are mean. The last one I remember who wasn't mean was Rita Rudner. Probably there were a couple others but I didn't want to watch them. With Sarah Silverman you know she's going to say something rude. then she stands there, looks sweet and says something even ruder. For about 25 years there seems to be a necessity for ever increasing rudeness. Witness Gibert Godfried's  The Aristocrats, which seemed to stretch to the outer boundaries. The Australian, JIm Jeffries does a nice job of making fun of others, then himself.

    The proliferation of cable made this possible. Bruce and Fox could not perform on any normal outlets. In the censored 60's I watched nice respectable comedy TV with Carol Burnett and Red Skelton.


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Re: Humor (Discussion) [Re: Brian Jones] * 1
    #23760546 - 10/22/16 10:45 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

the Aristocrats...excellent. :lol: it's like a modern art painting.


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Re: Humor (Discussion) [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23761235 - 10/22/16 03:14 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Why did Timmy cross the road?
To suck dick for crack


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Re: Humor (Discussion) [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23775550 - 10/27/16 03:16 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I've noticed that some of the most antimoral and misunderstood authors like Nietzsche, Crowley, Osho, and UG Krishnamurti are also the most perceptive and funny.

Don Juan Matus laughed a lot too...


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Re: Humor (Discussion) [Re: Middleman] * 1
    #23778553 - 10/27/16 09:47 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

It can be hard to see but yes laughing is kind of "evil". We laugh all in good fun but imagine the reality at making fun of someone if they were the last person on the planet with you? It's really just another escape from reality to keep us from having to see things for what they really are, but laugh on! Reality sucks


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Re: Humor (Discussion) [Re: bigdoodie]
    #23779030 - 10/28/16 01:55 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

correct. sad, isn't it? oh wait...you already answered that question.


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Re: Humor (Discussion) [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23781218 - 10/28/16 08:46 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

People laugh. The Unconscious effect of emotions.
Emotions spring out from desire.
We feel only because there is something that comes from this feeling.
And the picture of what we desire in life, stands most unclear.

Some who joke seek happiness, for what they know that as, happiness, is.
Past that is the unaffiliated-humorous joke, that in which, stands at an enlightening point.

Really I think the the men who always joke haven't found the chance to find their deeper selves yet.
If joking is what makes you happy its what makes you happy.


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Re: Humor (Discussion) [Re: littleton]
    #23781699 - 10/29/16 01:31 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Really I think the the men who always joke haven't found the chance to find their deeper selves yet.






I sometimes think the same thing, and get a bit annoyed around people that make a joke out of everything, it seems like they're very insecure.


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Re: Humor (Discussion) [Re: Lucis]
    #23783020 - 10/29/16 03:47 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Fennario said:
Quote:

littleton said:
Really I think the the men who always joke haven't found the chance to find their deeper selves yet.






I sometimes think the same thing, and get a bit annoyed around people that make a joke out of everything, it seems like they're very insecure.




Exactly. I like to imagine them home alone, without anybody to tell jokes to.


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Re: Humor (Discussion) [Re: littleton]
    #23786311 - 10/30/16 05:13 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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littleton said:
People laugh. The Unconscious effect of emotions.
Emotions spring out from desire.
We feel only because there is something that comes from this feeling.
And the picture of what we desire in life, stands most unclear.

Some who joke seek happiness, for what they know that as, happiness, is.
Past that is the unaffiliated-humorous joke, that in which, stands at an enlightening point.

Really I think the the men who always joke haven't found the chance to find their deeper selves yet.
If joking is what makes you happy its what makes you happy.





This is such a great comment, I think you have got it spot on, really true about men...


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    #23787088 - 10/30/16 10:13 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

My humor is so dry and dark, many people don't understand me, not even my own family, people always take me so seriously, but I don't take myself to seriously, have to be able to laugh at yourself.:shrug:


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Re: Humor (Discussion) [Re: Lucis]
    #23793454 - 11/01/16 11:48 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Humor was once something in a day of that that was an act; "Your belly is so red from the cold." - Hahaha!
Nowa days people dont see laughing as an act, We see it as natural, Which is odd.

Laughing used to just be a way of showing excitment. Now laughing is so much more, Selfish. Back in the days laughing was, neutral, now its mutual.

Everything is so wrong.  :foreheadslap: Go back.


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Re: Humor (Discussion) [Re: littleton]
    #23799332 - 11/03/16 10:34 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Why is sarcasm perceived by many as funny?  There's a bitter contempt to it.

Oscar Wilde said, "Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit but the highest form of intelligence."


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Re: Humor (Discussion) [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #23799582 - 11/04/16 01:00 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Why is sarcasm perceived by many as funny?  There's a bitter contempt to it.

Oscar Wilde said, "Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit but the highest form of intelligence."





I think if you can be sarcastic and not offend anyone, it's a great form of humor, and can cheer others up.  If you were working with a group of people on a job of some sort, and everyone agreed the job sucked, then you might use sarcasm to help ease the job along.

I do know people that are sarcastic all the time, and about everything too, and that's really annoying.  They hold nothing back, and will destroy another person by making little sarcastic remarks about how the person being wrecked does certain things, I think this type of sarcasm is bullying, and is crap.

I think what Wilde is getting at, is sometimes when you see someone being sarcastic, they have to have a quick wit to think of what they said in a quick way, much sarcasm is based on the delivery, so generally people with a quick wit, are good with sarcasm.

If I know someone well enough, I will be sarcastic to them, but never pick on them for being overweight, or something which they have said they have insecurities about.  I am sure everyone has had little sarcastic jokes you make with your friends.


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Re: Humor (Discussion) [Re: Lucis]
    #23805061 - 11/05/16 10:45 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Fennario said:

If you were working with a group of people on a job of some sort, and everyone agreed the job sucked, then you might use sarcasm to help ease the job along.





Although it might generate laughter, doesn't it support and propagate negativity?


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