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Re: GoverNator Kills the Homosexual Hope [Re: TheOneYouKnow]
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You are for the popular vote, you are against the popular vote....

Which one is it, fence-hoppin'-soul?


I never said I was against the popular vote.  However, it should not override Constitutionally-protected freedoms.

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If the vast majority of the people don't want to encourage relationships which historically contribute more to the growing AIDS epidemic, nto to mention the 'moral decline' of America, isn't that the thing we should do?


First of all, monogamy would certainly REDUCE the number of AIDS cases.  Second, there is nothing immoral about two consenting adult males getting married.  Third, no.  The will of the majority should not override freedom.

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DEMOCRAT DEMOCRACY = The will of teh whiniest, not the will of the majority!



What a funny little fella.  Have a cookie. :smile2:


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Re: GoverNator Kills the Homosexual Hope [Re: TheOneYouKnow]
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conservatives that speak like you have a habit of doing only make the libbies more secure in their beliefs. you would do well to pipe down.

This might be hard for you to undertsand, but in America, we don't do whatever sounds like the most cuddly lovable hug the world postion, we do this really stupid thing called "Voting", and hte people in CAlifornia voted to not let homosexuals marry, and thei are going directly against that. You want a "reason"? A vote, the MAJORITY of the people don't want it.

see silversoul7's response.

I realize, again, that this concept is far above the capacity of a great number of people to understand, libbies do love their thinking with emotions rather than logic and knowledge of the law

direct democracy is something generally favored more by lefties i think.

people have rights, and they should not be violated, even with the approval of the majority.

Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide. ? John Adams

A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until a majority of voters discover that they can vote themselves largess out of the public treasury. ? Alexander Tyler

In order to prevent democracy from becoming a tyranny over minorities, individual rights must supersede all democratic voting and all regulations. Rights must come first. Laws should come second, and only to protect those rights; nothing more. ? Stuart K. Hayashi

The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter. ? Winston Churchill

Democracy says it is acceptable to take money or property from a nonconsenting individual because he is outnumbered. ? Unknown

Democracy is indispensable to Socialism. ? V.I. Lenin

Democracy is the road to Socialism. ? Karl Marx

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Re: GoverNator Kills the Homosexual Hope [Re: ]
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the churchill quote is keen!


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Re: GoverNator Kills the Homosexual Hope [Re: silversoul7]
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I never said I was against the popular vote.  However, it should not override Constitutionally-protected freedoms.



Show me where it says that sexual deviants should recieve the legal freedom and protection of marriage.  If the voters can't decide these things, who will? How about we get a panel of bleeding-hearts that can fix everything that the voters don't like? So when the majority (the VAST majority, like in Ca) votes against something, the libbiecommission can simply "Well, thats great, but you guys are wrong, we'll just make the law as we see fit".  Sounds like a great idea!
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First of all, monogamy would certainly REDUCE the number of AIDS cases.



prove it.
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  Second, there is nothing immoral about two consenting adult males getting married.



The vast majority of CAlifornia seems t think so, who should decide in the event that you disagree with the voters?
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  Third, no.  The will of the majority should not override freedom.



Gays, like most other deviant parties, should look at conditions in the rest of the world and see how good they have it here.
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What a funny little fella.  Have a cookie. :smile2:


Sorry bud, don't eat cookies :-) Thanks for the offer tho!

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Re: GoverNator Kills the Homosexual Hope [Re: TheOneYouKnow]
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silversoul7 said:
I never said I was against the popular vote. However, it should not override Constitutionally-protected freedoms.



Show me where it says that sexual deviants should recieve the legal freedom and protection of marriage. If the voters can't decide these things, who will? How about we get a panel of bleeding-hearts that can fix everything that the voters don't like? So when the majority (the VAST majority, like in Ca) votes against something, the libbiecommission can simply "Well, thats great, but you guys are wrong, we'll just make the law as we see fit". Sounds like a great idea!


"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Since some churches conduct gay marriages, and the government refuses to legally recognize those marriages, they are prohibiting the free exercise of religion.

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First of all, monogamy would certainly REDUCE the number of AIDS cases.



prove it.


It's quite simple, really. If you only sleep with one person for the rest of your life, and that person only sleeps with you, then even if one of you is infected, the only other person you could possibly infect is your partner. Simple enough for you, Einstein?

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Second, there is nothing immoral about two consenting adult males getting married.



The vast majority of CAlifornia seems t think so, who should decide in the event that you disagree with the voters?


It doesn't matter who decides. It isn't the place of government to legislate morality.

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Third, no. The will of the majority should not override freedom.



Gays, like most other deviant parties, should look at conditions in the rest of the world and see how good they have it here.


Well, I'm going to ignore the fact that this is a Straw Man fallacy and point out that I have a cousin in Holland who's gay, and over there the people are less homophobic and they protect the rights of homosexuals. I'd say he has it better over there than he would have it here.


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Re: GoverNator Kills the Homosexual Hope [Re: TheOneYouKnow]
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sexual deviants = taint

what is a sexual deviant?

is that defined in the constitution?

all men are created equal and deserve equal protection
under the law.

further, asking someone to prove that monogamy
reduces the spread of AIDS shows just how blind
you are to reason.

your incessant reference to 'deviants' and constant
gay-bashing does more to illuminate your puritanical
world view than to support your arguments.


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Re: GoverNator Kills the Homosexual Hope [Re: afoaf]
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Deviant is just a mean way of saying different. There is nothing inherently wrong with deviance, despite what bigots would like you to think.


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Re: GoverNator Kills the Homosexual Hope [Re: silversoul7]
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Who would be left?


Why.... me, of course!

:lol:


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: GoverNator Kills the Homosexual Hope [Re: silversoul7]
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I don't really understand how the constitution grants the government the power to marry people.

Which ammendment(s) grant the government this power exactly?


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Re: GoverNator Kills the Homosexual Hope [Re: Baby_Hitler]
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The government doesn't marry people. It does, however, have to legally RECOGNIZE marriages.


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Re: GoverNator Kills the Homosexual Hope [Re: silversoul7]
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From where is that power derrived?


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Re: GoverNator Kills the Homosexual Hope [Re: Baby_Hitler]
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What power? It's an obligation.


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Re: GoverNator Kills the Homosexual Hope [Re: silversoul7]
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How is it the government's obligation to recognize a relationship?


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Re: GoverNator Kills the Homosexual Hope [Re: Baby_Hitler]
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It's not a relationship. It's a contract.


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Re: GoverNator Kills the Homosexual Hope [Re: Baby_Hitler]
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I want what my constitution guaranteed me.

Equal treatment under law.

And that is what the government is obligated to give me.

I could go down to any of half a dozen churches in my city and get "married" to my partner without any questions or even a second glance. That isnt the issue about gay marriage. The issue is getting that marriage recognized by the government. Without that recognition, gay couples don't have the legal protections presently afforded to straight couples.

Edited by Soulecho (02/22/04 01:50 AM)

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Re: GoverNator Kills the Homosexual Hope [Re: Soulecho]
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hence, the assertion of unconstitutionality.


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