specialpeopleclub said:

Your discomfort isn't a reason for anything, legally. I'm uncomfortable having anyone in a bathroom with me, but deal with it when I have to. There are legitimate reasons for the bathrooms to be separated.

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So you think women who feel discomfort in the washrooms with someone that has a penis should just be ignored?

WAN said:

I *AM* interested in having a dialogue and indeed we HAVE had one.  However just because you failed to sway me to your side it does not mean I am "clinging to my prejudices".

You always seem to think that your way is the "right" way and anybody who disagrees with you is "wrong" or "prejudiced" or whatever.

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one should remember that trans folk face an incredibly high risk of violence in their lives and are voicing concerns as well--and so in a strictly utilitarian sense, i feel that responding to one minority groups worries that arise due to a very real risk of violence (for example, transwomen put in danger when forced to use mens washrooms) is more important than responding to another minority groups worries that arise due to largely unsubstantiated fears (for example, that allowing transwomen to use womens washrooms will lead to a rise in sexual assaults)

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if the only reason for opposing transgender access to washrooms is because you find sharing this space uncomfortable, what about people who would find the notion of sharing a washroom with a gay person to be uncomfortable--should we listen to them too and enforce a 'straight' only washroom rule?

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shivas.wisdom said:

WAN said:

I *AM* interested in having a dialogue and indeed we HAVE had one.  However just because you failed to sway me to your side it does not mean I am "clinging to my prejudices".

You always seem to think that your way is the "right" way and anybody who disagrees with you is "wrong" or "prejudiced" or whatever.

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no dialogue was had because you never addressed any of my points--merely continued to state that i was trying to force you to stop being grossed out by trans people--let me reiterate, you are free to hold your own personal opinion, but you are not free to enforce your prejudices at the expense of others

care to address these points of mine?

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zappaisgod said:

You have still failed to address the question of what, specifically, is undesirable about transgenderism.

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specialpeopleclub said:

Im also amazed it's always the most unattractive women who take these sides.

'Self evidence' means, it's your opinion. They don't smell bad, because they are enjoying a high amount of bacteria like human waste. Maybe they look wrong, but, that is nowhere for you to judge

You really are embarrassing yourself

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zappaisgod said:

If it so obvious surely you could provide some kind of explanation for the rest of us retards.

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JustForToday said:

This whole LGBT movement is insane. It's almost like people don't have any room to disagree with it anymore. It's like a religion at this point just like evolution. You either accept or you're a bigot. Well I believe in the bible and Jesus Christ and it condemns everything about this whole entire movement. I voice my opinions in my everyday life and people want to act like it's an act of war. Before this whole movement, the percentage of the community was low. I see it all the time. Kids come down here to recovery in south florida straight and next thing you know they became lesbians and gay guys because they live with all guys or all girls. I literally just seen the cutest girl in my entire life pick up 60 days some months back dressed as a woman. Now she is dressing like a dude for some crazy unknown reason and I even looked through her facebook. She just started doing that crap now. She gets more vagina than I do though. Like I really care at this point.

Long story short, now because people are pushing it, people are starting to go into it because it's "COOL" or it's accepted. Bullshit. I struggled with maybe entertaining the idea of sleeping with a guy.  But I knew it was wrong. And I am okay now. The blood of Christ saved me. You aren't born that way. You're just programmed by the media to act and think a certain way. There is no fear of God in the world.

We were made how we are. We were made either female or male, with a certain name. I just really think it's insecurity. Because I changed my eye color, I worked out, I wanted to change my nose. But that's bullcrap. I am perfectly okay with who I am right now. I don't need to change anything except my actions that impact others in a negative way in my life.

And one of these days if you don't go along with all this crap, you will be killed because you'll be considered as someone holding everyone else back. Kill me then.

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JustForToday said:

It's apart of the biblical end of days brother.

And it's going to get to much worse from here. I always pray and say, "God if I'm going to deny you before men, take me early." I'm really sincere as I don't wanna give up my faith in the Lord.

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