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Re: The anti-gay law in Georgia and NorthCarolina is wrecking havoc. [Re: shivas.wisdom]
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shivas.wisdom said:
WAN said:
See above.  You can love trannies all you want, just don't go and shake your finger at the rest of us who find them to be repulsive.

And I am not the only one who shares this sentiment.  Just ask guys.  Most of them would feel betrayed and grossed out if they found out they had sex with a tranny.



if the only reason for opposing transgender access to washrooms is because you find them repulsive, what about people who would find the notion of sharing a washroom with a gay person to be repulsive--should we listen to them too and enforce a 'straight' only washroom rule?



It's not merely "finding them to be repulsive".  Sharing the bathroom with someone that has a penis makes me extremely uncomfortable.

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what if i find being forced to share my space with bigots repulsive?



How would you know that they were a bigot?

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Re: The anti-gay law in Georgia and NorthCarolina is wrecking havoc. [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said:
In dust we trust said:
See back in the days of the Romans, they would have just killed all the trannies lol. They knew they would have been worthless to their society



In what way are they useless?



He said 'worthless'
I thought this was a joke too. These people are embarrassing themselves. Being transexual has a range. Some people it causes nomproblems with, and they choose tompersue or not peruse transitioning, based on what we can do now

I'm more worried about the hormones and the fact that many doctors don't mention the huge cancer risk of taking estrogen. I really don't think such things should be an option untill they are safer, because right not it is taking advantage of the mentally ill

Think of if there was only one way for you to fuck, and you had to get a terrible surgery and hormones. I imagine the force must be similar to the need for sexual gratification in there severity. Things like this can be compelling

It is a modern disorder though, and pretty delusional. It's like me 'identifying' as black, sort of, and receiving terrible traumatic feelings over not being so


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Re: The anti-gay law in Georgia and NorthCarolina is wrecking havoc. [Re: WAN]
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WAN said:
When you people start to force normal women to share a bathroom with a tranny that has a penis, that is when YOU GUYS are attempting to force your views and values on us.

Most people shun trannies not because trannies "pose an inherent danger" to them or whatever.  We shun them because they are gross.



and once again, assuming a strictly utilitarian approach, the concerns of trans people being subject to high rates of violence are more valid than the concerns of people who simply view trans people as gross

being grossed out by something is not an argument for proscription


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Re: The anti-gay law in Georgia and NorthCarolina is wrecking havoc. [Re: WAN]
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WAN said:
shivas.wisdom said:
what if i find being forced to share my space with bigots repulsive?



How would you know that they were a bigot?



you know a bigot when they open their mouth--at least trannies keep their genitals in their pants


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Re: The anti-gay law in Georgia and NorthCarolina is wrecking havoc. [Re: shivas.wisdom]
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shivas.wisdom said:
WAN said:
When you people start to force normal women to share a bathroom with a tranny that has a penis, that is when YOU GUYS are attempting to force your views and values on us.

Most people shun trannies not because trannies "pose an inherent danger" to them or whatever.  We shun them because they are gross.



and once again, assuming a strictly utilitarian approach, the concerns of trans people being subject to high rates of violence are more valid than the concerns of people who simply view trans people as gross

being grossed out by something is not an argument for proscription



I only have this to say:  most normal women do NOT want to share the bathroom with someone that has a penis.

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Re: The anti-gay law in Georgia and NorthCarolina is wrecking havoc. [Re: WAN]
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WAN said:
I only have this to say:  most normal women do NOT want to share the bathroom with someone that has a penis.



citation required


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Re: The anti-gay law in Georgia and NorthCarolina is wrecking havoc. [Re: shivas.wisdom]
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shivas.wisdom said:
WAN said:
shivas.wisdom said:
what if i find being forced to share my space with bigots repulsive?



How would you know that they were a bigot?



you know a bigot when they open their mouth--at least trannies keep their genitals in their pants



I dont think most people talk about what kind of prejudices they have when they go to the bathroom.

Also, with trannies, it's not just the genital/s that give them away.  Especially with male-to-female trannies, most of them are easy to spot.  You can tell they are a dude just by looking at their face, the size, shape and proportion of their body parts, the presence of adam's apple, or maybe light but still present stubble on their faces.

Edited by WAN (04/26/16 03:28 PM)

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Re: The anti-gay law in Georgia and NorthCarolina is wrecking havoc. [Re: shivas.wisdom]
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shivas.wisdom said:
WAN said:
I only have this to say:  most normal women do NOT want to share the bathroom with someone that has a penis.



citation required



I think it's self-evident. 

Or how about this:  *I* do not want to share the bathroom with someone that has a penis.  Or are you going to dismiss me and my view because I am only one person out of 7 billion.

Edited by WAN (04/26/16 03:27 PM)

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Re: The anti-gay law in Georgia and NorthCarolina is wrecking havoc. [Re: WAN]
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If you mistreat someone because they are just 'gross', and I don't mean hygienically(as a dirty person, I understand), but for something arbitrary like this, you are a terrible person and need
WAN said:
shivas.wisdom said:
WAN said:
When you people start to force normal women to share a bathroom with a tranny that has a penis, that is when YOU GUYS are attempting to force your views and values on us.

Most people shun trannies not because trannies "pose an inherent danger" to them or whatever.  We shun them because they are gross.



and once again, assuming a strictly utilitarian approach, the concerns of trans people being subject to high rates of violence are more valid than the concerns of people who simply view trans people as gross

being grossed out by something is not an argument for proscription



I only have this to say:  most normal women do NOT want to share the bathroom with someone that has a penis.



The world doesn't cater to your comfort.
You shouldn't use the female bathroom as a transexual though, or the opposite, if you are one of the rare female to male ones. I don't know why you would become a male, as socially, women are given a huge amount of space, where as men will be chastised far quicker


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Re: The anti-gay law in Georgia and NorthCarolina is wrecking havoc. [Re: WAN]
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WAN said:
zappaisgod said:
WAN said:
zappaisgod said:
What is the difference between mental retardation and stupidity?



Well, I am not a medical scientist, so I can't give you an answer.  However common sense tells us that these two are different.  I am sorry that you are too mentally retarded to see it.  Or should I say "too stupid to see it".  This is the language you speak, right?



How are they different?  Keep in mind that English is my first language.


 

Is this a shot at me?  Anyway, it's like I said, I am not an expert on brain development.  However it just seems to me that some people are "slow" due to being mentally retarded and others are "slow" because they are naturally stupid.  I don't think this is solely semantic. 

I have a degree in psychology.  I also have had college courses in linguistics.  There is no difference.
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2.  It's still something undesirable.



Why?



That mental retardation (or as you wish to call it, stupidity) is undesirable is self-apparent.  Next you are going to ask me why rape is bad.



Mental retardation was not the referent of "it".  Transgenderism was.  How is it undesirable per se?



If you don't think trannyism is undesirable, that's your prerogative.  But *I* think it's undesirable and most trannies gross me out.  I also do not want to share a bathroom with someone that has a penis.

Once again you evade the question


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I know 2 transgender people on this site.  I have spoken for hours with one of them and she is way smarter than 95% of the other posters.  I have never spoken to the other one but she seems to be quite erudite and effective in making her points.  Unlike you.



1.  I fail to see how your anecdotal experience has anything to do with trannyism generally being an undesirable thing.  If you encounter a rare, very intelligent rapist, does that suddenly make rape a good thing?



What?  Are you equating transgenderism with a criminal act?  I ask again, why, in your mind, do you think that transgenderism makes someone undesirable? 



See above.  You can love trannies all you want, just don't go and shake your finger at the rest of us who find them to be repulsive.

And I am not the only one who shares this sentiment.  Just ask guys.  Most of them would feel betrayed and grossed out if they found out they had sex with a tranny.

I actually have a funny story about that.  Lexington KY about 40 years ago.  Johnny Angels.  Downstairs gay bar upstairs music venue.  Lou Miami and the Cosmetics were playing.  In walks a gorgeous woman in a skimpy red dress.  But as she went past we all noticed there was something not quite female.  The shoulders were much wider than the hips.  Well my future ex-wife's ex-boyfriend came later and didn't notice.  After he took her home he went for the big grab and found more than he bargained for.  Luckily for her he was not the violent time.  But that has more to do with fraud than anything else.  But some guys are into it.  Note the plethora of chicks with dicks porn.  Somebody is watching it

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2.  You shouldn't insult your debate opponent just because he/she disagrees with you.



What insult?  Because if you want insults I can start.  And finish.



Haha, good ol' zappa.  So competitive and egotistical.  Insulting others is not a good thing. Nor is it a "sport" that you seem to think it is and that you "excel" at (:facepalm:).  I will have no part of it.  I am on this board mostly to relieve boredom and whenever possible, to learn something.  Insulting you (or anybody for that matter) does not accomplish either.




Once again you don't answer the question.  What insult?


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Re: The anti-gay law in Georgia and NorthCarolina is wrecking havoc. [Re: specialpeopleclub]
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specialpeopleclub said:
If you mistreat someone because they are just 'gross', and I don't mean hygienically(as a dirty person, I understand), but for something arbitrary like this, you are a terrible person and need
WAN said:
shivas.wisdom said:
WAN said:
When you people start to force normal women to share a bathroom with a tranny that has a penis, that is when YOU GUYS are attempting to force your views and values on us.

Most people shun trannies not because trannies "pose an inherent danger" to them or whatever.  We shun them because they are gross.



and once again, assuming a strictly utilitarian approach, the concerns of trans people being subject to high rates of violence are more valid than the concerns of people who simply view trans people as gross

being grossed out by something is not an argument for proscription



I only have this to say:  most normal women do NOT want to share the bathroom with someone that has a penis.



The world doesn't cater to your comfort.



So lets do away with having separate washrooms for each gender.  Let's make all women go to the washroom with men.

You are being unreasonable.  It is very understandable when women do not want to share the bathroom with someone that has a dick.  It doesn't make them "princesses", as you seem to imply.  These women have a legitimate concern.

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Re: The anti-gay law in Georgia and NorthCarolina is wrecking havoc. [Re: WAN]
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I think they are rightly concerned about sharing a bathroom with 99% of the people who have dicks.


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Re: The anti-gay law in Georgia and NorthCarolina is wrecking havoc. [Re: WAN]
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Did you not see where I explained my thoughts?
I personally wouldn't mind single bathrooms. I understand why women, considering the way we interact with them, would want separation. There are legitimate reasons. Your discomfort and transexuals being gross aren't reasons


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Re: The anti-gay law in Georgia and NorthCarolina is wrecking havoc. [Re: WAN]
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WAN said:
shivas.wisdom said:
WAN said:
I only have this to say:  most normal women do NOT want to share the bathroom with someone that has a penis.



citation required



I think it's self-evident. 

Or how about this:  *I* do not want to share the bathroom with someone that has a penis.  Or are you going to dismiss me and my view because I am only one person out of 7 billion.



as i have said, merely holding your own personal prejudice is alright--i may think it wrong, but your opinion is your own opinion--until, of course,  you attempt to have this prejudice enforced at the expense of others

if you are uncomfortable sharing public spaces with certain people, and these people do not pose an actual risk to public saftety (in other words, being uncomfortable around rapists is a rational response; being uncomfortable around transgender people is not a rational response), than you should refrain from using these public spaces--not attempt to remove their right of public access


i'm saddened WAN, at the beginning i thought you were authentically interested in having a dialogue--i now see you have no desire beyond continuing to cling to your illformed prejudices


:feelsbadman:


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Re: The anti-gay law in Georgia and NorthCarolina is wrecking havoc. [Re: shivas.wisdom]
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Women wouldn't mind if they weren't
1.unable to, in many situations, stop a man from taking advantage of them

2. Wouldn't get oggled by the immature morons that make up this country. Such immature morons. I went to a play, and people gasped at swearwords.

3. Weren't the ones being penetrated surfing sex. It's a huge deal.


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Re: The anti-gay law in Georgia and NorthCarolina is wrecking havoc. [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said:
WAN said:
zappaisgod said:
How are they different?  Keep in mind that English is my first language.


 

Is this a shot at me?  Anyway, it's like I said, I am not an expert on brain development.  However it just seems to me that some people are "slow" due to being mentally retarded and others are "slow" that they are naturally stupid.  I don't think this is solely semantic. 



I have a degree in psychology.  I also have had college courses in linguistics.  There is no difference.



Well that's good.  I am just under the impression that "mental retardation" seems to denote some type of developmental abnormality, maybe one that you would see in children, who are still growing and developing.  Whereas "stupidity" seems to denote a grown-person who doesn't have other mental debilities but who is otherwise "slow".  Its like I said many posts ago, I DONT know the difference.  I only answered because you kept asking.
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That mental retardation (or as you wish to call it, stupidity) is undesirable is self-apparent.  Next you are going to ask me why rape is bad.



Mental retardation was not the referent of "it".  Transgenderism was.  How is it undesirable per se?



If you don't think trannyism is undesirable, that's your prerogative.  But *I* think it's undesirable and most trannies gross me out.  I also do not want to share a bathroom with someone that has a penis.

Once again you evade the question



I don't think I need to explain myself to others.  If I want to be grossed out by trannies or whatever else, I have that right.  It is my own brain, and I can have whatever thoughts and feelings in it. 

Besides, your question is kind of similar to "why do you like cheesecake".  How would I be able to answer this question?  I just do.


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2.  You shouldn't insult your debate opponent just because he/she disagrees with you.



What insult?  Because if you want insults I can start.  And finish.



Haha, good ol' zappa.  So competitive and egotistical.  Insulting others is not a good thing. Nor is it a "sport" that you seem to think it is and that you "excel" at (:facepalm:).  I will have no part of it.  I am on this board mostly to relieve boredom and whenever possible, to learn something.  Insulting you (or anybody for that matter) does not accomplish either.




Once again you don't answer the question.  What insult?




You said some person on this website was "erudite and could get her point across.  Unlike you".  You were saying that I could not get my point across.

I thought you were insulting me.  Maybe you weren't.

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Re: The anti-gay law in Georgia and NorthCarolina is wrecking havoc. [Re: WAN]
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its kind of funny people that are against sharing the bathroom, didn't care about sharing marriage.  i guess people only care when it affects them?  In otherwords they didn't care about marriage because they weren't that religious about it.  But they are religious about their bathroom time.  people lack perspective.

the last 200 years we all managed to get along just fine, but all a sudden in this PC world things are falling apart, why?  Because people want to be special snowflakes about it.  The media, social media, all of it, has turned into the 'girls club' where drama is stirred up, perhaps thats where the people of old had it right.  society can't function if its being ran by hormones and thats where all this PC shit is coming from, women and men who drank to much water with estrogen drugs laced in it.  Sure guys have clarity issues with hormones in the way as well, however its revolved around dominance and getting laid both of which helps lead a country in the proper direction, towards a climax, rather than lots of foreplay followed by dissatisfaction and regret.  Its almost like women treat conversations like sex, every time your just about to get your point made the conversation gets side swipped by more foreplay, delaying the climax (debate) from happening/ending.

so where was i going with all this?  oh right, we need to bring back slapping a bitch, equality and all that jazz.

oh wait where am i, oh right the bathroom thread, ok ok so how does that apply.......um...........right ok so if someone uses the wrong bathroom slap a bitch?  yah that makes sense lets run with that


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Re: The anti-gay law in Georgia and NorthCarolina is wrecking havoc. [Re: shivas.wisdom]
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shivas.wisdom said:
WAN said:
shivas.wisdom said:
WAN said:
I only have this to say:  most normal women do NOT want to share the bathroom with someone that has a penis.



citation required



I think it's self-evident. 

Or how about this:  *I* do not want to share the bathroom with someone that has a penis.  Or are you going to dismiss me and my view because I am only one person out of 7 billion.



as i have said, merely holding your own personal prejudice is alright--i may think it wrong, but your opinion is your own opinion--until, of course,  you attempt to have this prejudice enforced at the expense of others

if you are uncomfortable sharing public spaces with certain people, and these people do not pose an actual risk to public saftety (in other words, being uncomfortable around rapists is a rational response; being uncomfortable around transgender people is not a rational response), than you should refrain from using these public spaces--not attempt to remove their right of public access


i'm saddened WAN, at the beginning i thought you were authentically interested in having a dialogue--i now see you have no desire beyond continuing to cling to your illformed prejudies


:feelsbadman:



I *AM* interested in having a dialogue and indeed we HAVE had one.  However just because you failed to sway me to your side it does not mean I am "clinging to my prejudices".

You always seem to think that your way is the "right" way and anybody who disagrees with you is "wrong" or "prejudiced" or whatever.

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Re: The anti-gay law in Georgia and NorthCarolina is wrecking havoc. [Re: specialpeopleclub]
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specialpeopleclub said:
Did you not see where I explained my thoughts?
I personally wouldn't mind single bathrooms. I understand why women, considering the way we interact with them, would want separation. There are legitimate reasons. Your discomfort and transexuals being gross aren't reasons



If my "discomfort" is not a reason, then it should be ok to force all women to use the bathroom as men, their discomfort be damned.

I am sorry I am not sure what you were trying to say.  Are you saying that when all women (except me) feel uncomfortable, it's legitimate but when *I* feel uncomfortable, you don't care?

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Re: The anti-gay law in Georgia and NorthCarolina is wrecking havoc. [Re: WAN]
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Your discomfort isn't a reason for anything, legally. I'm uncomfortable having anyone in a bathroom with me, but deal with it when I have to. There are legitimate reasons for the bathrooms to be separated.


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