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New Indiana Bill Aims To Fine Trans People For Using The 'Wrong' Bathroom
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A new bill introduced in Indiana late last year would fine and imprison transgender people who use public restrooms and locker rooms that don't match the gender listed on their birth certificate.

Chris Paulsen, the campaign manager for Freedom Indiana, explained to HuffPost Live's Alyona Minkovski on Monday that the bill would force trans people to prove their chromosomes before being allowed access to a bathroom.

"It is the farthest-reaching bill that we've see nationwide in regards to transgender bathroom use," Paulsen said, later adding, "So basically, it's lining up the potty police to stand at doors of bathrooms, which we think is just ridiculous."

The bill, which was introduced by Republican state senator Jim Tomes, would also affect students in schools. Paulsen said this directly violates Title IX, which prohibits discrimination on the basis of sex in federally-funded education programs or activities.

"We believe that transgender women are women, and they should be in the women's room," Paulsen said. "Transgender men are men, and they should be in the men's room. It would lead to bad health consequences, and we just don't see that there's any need for a bill like this."



Thoughts?

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Re: New Indiana Bill Aims To Fine Trans People For Using The 'Wrong' Bathroom [Re: Adden]
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it's all about making money

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Re: New Indiana Bill Aims To Fine Trans People For Using The 'Wrong' Bathroom [Re: Adden]
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Same law for straights?

As in straight guy goes into girls room against the law to?

Also a link would be nice... I want to see more details, how could it be enforced?

I think it should be up to the owners of properties to decide.  If a store is ok with shared washrooms then so be it.  If you don't like it shop somewhere else or use a different washroom facility.


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Re: New Indiana Bill Aims To Fine Trans People For Using The 'Wrong' Bathroom [Re: Shins]
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shits fucked up :thumbdown:


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Re: New Indiana Bill Aims To Fine Trans People For Using The 'Wrong' Bathroom [Re: Cosmic_Flame]
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I can understand why people are uncomfortable about trans people in washrooms though...


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Re: New Indiana Bill Aims To Fine Trans People For Using The 'Wrong' Bathroom [Re: Shins]
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Shins said:
I can understand why people are uncomfortable about trans people in washrooms though...



Yeah, usually I have a pretty libertarian way of thinking, but where do you draw the line, and what exactly is inappropriate.

Some pervert man throws a wig on and now he gets to watch woman change and listen to them use the restroom? I'm not terribly worried about woman in the male restroom, but I could totally see why a rational woman might be concerned.


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Re: New Indiana Bill Aims To Fine Trans People For Using The 'Wrong' Bathroom [Re: Shins]
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Shins said:
Same law for straights?

As in straight guy goes into girls room against the law to?

Also a link would be nice... I want to see more details, how could it be enforced?

I think it should be up to the owners of properties to decide.  If a store is ok with shared washrooms then so be it.  If you don't like it shop somewhere else or use a different washroom facility.



it's not like men walking into ladies bathrooms come out clean and unharmed most of the times, unless there's nobody around.

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Re: New Indiana Bill Aims To Fine Trans People For Using The 'Wrong' Bathroom [Re: Adden]
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Dys said:
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A new bill introduced in Indiana late last year would fine and imprison transgender people who use public restrooms and locker rooms that don't match the gender listed on their birth certificate.

Chris Paulsen, the campaign manager for Freedom Indiana, explained to HuffPost Live's Alyona Minkovski on Monday that the bill would force trans people to prove their chromosomes before being allowed access to a bathroom.

"It is the farthest-reaching bill that we've see nationwide in regards to transgender bathroom use," Paulsen said, later adding, "So basically, it's lining up the potty police to stand at doors of bathrooms, which we think is just ridiculous."

The bill, which was introduced by Republican state senator Jim Tomes, would also affect students in schools. Paulsen said this directly violates Title IX, which prohibits discrimination on the basis of sex in federally-funded education programs or activities.

"We believe that transgender women are women, and they should be in the women's room," Paulsen said. "Transgender men are men, and they should be in the men's room. It would lead to bad health consequences, and we just don't see that there's any need for a bill like this."



Thoughts?




which is the right bathroom?

a transgender man is formerly a woman
a transgender woman is formerly a man

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Re: New Indiana Bill Aims To Fine Trans People For Using The 'Wrong' Bathroom [Re: Adden] * 2
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Trans are mentally ill weirdos. They should be treated as mentally ill weirdos. They should never be catered to out of perceived politeness because that will tend to damage young people in their development.

I think the bill is right on target. I'd like to see it pass and get a nationwide backlash against these weirdos. Enough is enough! Time to set them straight and tell them to fuck off trying to push their pervert agenda on us and our normal children.


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Re: New Indiana Bill Aims To Fine Trans People For Using The 'Wrong' Bathroom [Re: Adden] * 2
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I think it's mostly a non-issue that people are trying to make into one. There is no nudity in the shared area of a typical multi-user bathroom anyway.

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Re: New Indiana Bill Aims To Fine Trans People For Using The 'Wrong' Bathroom [Re: psi] * 2
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I have a friend who is a female. But she is, what she calls a "stud bitch". Basically she is a lesbian who dresses like a guy. Baggy pants, due rag, all the trimmings of a gangsta. She doesn't want to become a man, or have a sex change.

Sometimes she goes into the bathroom and women, mostly older ladies, tell her it's the women's room. She kindly explains she is a women and then everyone goes about their shits and piss.

With this law could the police see her walking into the restroom and stop her and force her to show her genitals to be allowed entry?

What about women who have become men. Are all the guys gonna have to flash their cocks to some doorman to make sure it's not some surgically attached appendage?

Seems like a bigoted law with no way of enforcement. We should stop passing pointless laws that don't do anything but make the politicians look good to their base.


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Re: New Indiana Bill Aims To Fine Trans People For Using The 'Wrong' Bathroom [Re: Ellis Dee] * 3
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Ellis Dee said:
Trans are mentally ill weirdos. They should be treated as mentally ill weirdos. They should never be catered to out of perceived politeness because that will tend to damage young people in their development.

I think the bill is right on target. I'd like to see it pass and get a nationwide backlash against these weirdos. Enough is enough! Time to set them straight and tell them to fuck off trying to push their pervert agenda on us and our normal children.



Your hatred is also a mental illness. I was watching a doc the other day on nazis and I realized they all had major mental health issues. It's not sane to hate people based on race or sexual orientation.

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Re: New Indiana Bill Aims To Fine Trans People For Using The 'Wrong' Bathroom [Re: Supachopped719]
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Supachopped719 said:
I have a friend who is a female. But she is, what she calls a "stud bitch". Basically she is a lesbian who dresses like a guy. Baggy pants, due rag, all the trimmings of a gangsta. She doesn't want to become a man, or have a sex change.

Sometimes she goes into the bathroom and women, mostly older ladies, tell her it's the women's room. She kindly explains she is a women and then everyone goes about their shits and piss.

With this law could the police see her walking into the restroom and stop her and force her to show her genitals to be allowed entry?

What about women who have become men. Are all the guys gonna have to flash their cocks to some doorman to make sure it's not some surgically attached appendage?

Seems like a bigoted law with no way of enforcement. We should stop passing pointless laws that don't do anything but make the politicians look good to their base.



I agree, how does one enforce such a law?  It's stupid and not a problem. I don't worry about using public restrooms.

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Re: New Indiana Bill Aims To Fine Trans People For Using The 'Wrong' Bathroom [Re: my3rdeye]
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my3rdeye said:
Ellis Dee said:
Trans are mentally ill weirdos. They should be treated as mentally ill weirdos. They should never be catered to out of perceived politeness because that will tend to damage young people in their development.

I think the bill is right on target. I'd like to see it pass and get a nationwide backlash against these weirdos. Enough is enough! Time to set them straight and tell them to fuck off trying to push their pervert agenda on us and our normal children.



Your hatred is also a mental illness. I was watching a doc the other day on nazis and I realized they all had major mental health issues. It's not sane to hate people based on race or sexual orientation.




so what's a valid reason for hating someone?

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Re: New Indiana Bill Aims To Fine Trans People For Using The 'Wrong' Bathroom [Re: qman] * 1
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Upon first glance I was confused as to why some guy named "Indiana Bill" is making fines.

But that's lame what a waste of time

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Re: New Indiana Bill Aims To Fine Trans People For Using The 'Wrong' Bathroom [Re: psi] * 1
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psi said:
I think it's mostly a non-issue that people are trying to make into one. There is no nudity in the shared area of a typical multi-user bathroom anyway.



Uhhhm have you ever been in the girls bathroom?

I hear its like this all the time



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Re: New Indiana Bill Aims To Fine Trans People For Using The 'Wrong' Bathroom [Re: my3rdeye]
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my3rdeye said:
Ellis Dee said:
Trans are mentally ill weirdos. They should be treated as mentally ill weirdos. They should never be catered to out of perceived politeness because that will tend to damage young people in their development.

I think the bill is right on target. I'd like to see it pass and get a nationwide backlash against these weirdos. Enough is enough! Time to set them straight and tell them to fuck off trying to push their pervert agenda on us and our normal children.



Your hatred is also a mental illness. I was watching a doc the other day on nazis and I realized they all had major mental health issues. It's not sane to hate people based on race or sexual orientation.



Actually its completely sane to hate people because of their race, especially if their activities are detrimental to your own. Protection of your own children, family, and clan is the most basic animal function humans have. What isn't sane is self destructive nihilism or participating in activities that harm your own race or kind.


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Re: New Indiana Bill Aims To Fine Trans People For Using The 'Wrong' Bathroom [Re: Ellis Dee]
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Lol wat? Do you just group races together as amorphous masses with no ability for individual distinction?


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Re: New Indiana Bill Aims To Fine Trans People For Using The 'Wrong' Bathroom [Re: twighead]
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Seems amazing. :stoned:

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Re: New Indiana Bill Aims To Fine Trans People For Using The 'Wrong' Bathroom [Re: Ellis Dee] * 1
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solution: unisex bathrooms


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