LunarEclipse said:

ElVatoFirme said:

LittleDaddy said:

Show me peer reviews against vaccines.

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Yeah, show studies done by scientists willing to lose their career.

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Exactly.  Show me exactly what the Gates Foundation is putting in their 3rd world vaccines to reduce population growth oops I mean to help these poor people and we can then have the Rockefeller Foundation people grant money to scientists to fund the peer review.

Right!  I am so sure.

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LunarEclipse said:

Cancer epidemic.  Out of control. 

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Captain Kaveman said:

The burden of proof falls on the accuser, in this case, those claiming that vaccines cause more harm than good.  To my knowledge, the "study" linking vaccines to autism was junk science at best.  It was full of fabricated evidence and has since been debunked.

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According to the FDA, vaccines represent a special category of drugs as they are generally given to healthy individuals. Further according to the FDA, “this places significant emphasis on their vaccine safety.” While the FDA does set an upper limit for Aluminum in vaccines at no more that 850/mg/dose, it is important to note that this amount was selected empirically from data showing that Aluminum in such amounts enhanced the antigenicity of the vaccine, rather than from existing safety. Given that the scientific evidence appears to indicate that vaccine safety is not as firmly established as often believed, it would seem ill advised to exclude paediatric vaccinations as a possible cause of adverse long-term neurodevelopment outcomes, including those associated with autism.
http://www.collective-evolution.com/2014/04/09/fda-document-reports-autism-link-after-tetanus-pertussis-diptheria-combination-vaccine/

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LiquidSmoke said:

LunarEclipse said:

Cancer epidemic.  Out of control. 

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Cancers are a disease of age, you fucking idiot.  More people are getting cancer because they're living longer due to medical advances treating things that used to kill us earlier in live, like cardiovascular disease.

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Mr.PhilCybin said:

oh so that's why kids get cancer

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LiquidSmoke said:

Mr.PhilCybin said:

oh so that's why kids get cancer

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Most cancers are a disease of age.  I apologize for generalizing.


But yeah, most cancers increase in incidence with age.  People are living longer than before and hence, more people are dying of cancer than before.



I should also mention that cancers in general are only recent discoveries in diagnosis.  Prior to the early 20th century, most cancers weren't even known or discovered.

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micro said:

The fuck?

It's called a lipoma, is benign and not cancer.

Otherwise I have no idea what you are referring to.

Edit: read the post above, sorry I am lazy :V

Common origins are probably a shitty lifestyle. But I was emphasizing that one doesn't cause the other.

Also, people live longer in general and this will lead to higher rates of cancer (but not higher rates in younger people).

Certain types of cells do not cause other cells to get cancer; it is caused by a mutation in a certain part of the DNA in the cell.

It can metastasize though, and also lead to other problems in the body (but not cancer).

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JacksonMetaller said:

Yeah fat doesn't cause cancer, but fat metabolism and storage disorders are stimulated by chronic inflammation as is cancer hence a correlation between the incidence of disease. Actually though certain cells can cause others to get cancer. I.e. Leukocytes secreting reactive oxygenated species can cause DNA damage. The immune system then directs the growth and metastesis of the cells and remodels the matrix to facilitate cancer growth

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LiquidSmoke said:

JacksonMetaller said:

Yeah fat doesn't cause cancer, but fat metabolism and storage disorders are stimulated by chronic inflammation as is cancer hence a correlation between the incidence of disease. Actually though certain cells can cause others to get cancer. I.e. Leukocytes secreting reactive oxygenated species can cause DNA damage. The immune system then directs the growth and metastesis of the cells and remodels the matrix to facilitate cancer growth

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That's a pretty loose correlation.  Most major fat metabolism and storage disorders are congenital in nature.  You can argue that any kind of chronic inflammation itself increases the risk of developing malignancies.  But alot of genetic derrangements are usually kept in check by mechanisms such as p53 or the upstream KEY cellular mechanisms.

It's when these collapse that you get in trouble.

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JacksonMetaller said:

Cancer is much better though of as an inflammatory disorder. Genetic alterations play a key role, but without inflammation your likelihood of cancer plummets if not disappears. This is why obesity, cancer, autoimmune diseases, etc are all correlated. They are all inflammatory diseases. Once you have low grade systemic inflammation you are vulnerable to any array of health problems dependent on genetics and environmental specifics.

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LiquidSmoke said:

But you can also argue that since the industrial revolution, alot of cancers were discovered. 

It is fact that age is one, if not thee, single greatest risk factor for developing numerous different malignancies.  That's something you can't really argue against.

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