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Re: My sister won't get her baby vaccinated [Re: ElVatoFirme] * 2
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If I had viable scientific evidence of systemic harm caused by vaccines, you bet your ass I'd publish that shit!  Science loves paradigm shifts...I'd probably get published in Nature or Science and get tons of funding from activist and interest groups.  Not to mention paradigm shifts with excellent evidence are a great way to get government grants.  Maybe even The Lancet like Andrew Wakefield.  What will lose you your career is publishing faulty data once scientists examine and try to reproduce your results...like Andrew Wakefield. :smirk:


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Re: My sister won't get her baby vaccinated [Re: Mr. Bojangles]
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Mr. Bojangles said:
If I had viable scientific evidence of systemic harm caused by vaccines, you bet your ass I'd publish that shit!  Science loves paradigm shifts...I'd probably get published in Nature or Science and get tons of funding from activist and interest groups.  Not to mention paradigm shifts with excellent evidence are a great way to get government grants.  Maybe even The Lancet like Andrew Wakefield.  What will lose you your career is publishing faulty data once scientists examine and try to reproduce your results...like Andrew Wakefield. :smirk:


Well said, man


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Re: My sister won't get her baby vaccinated [Re: ElVatoFirme]
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ElVatoFirme said:
LittleDaddy said:
Show me peer reviews against vaccines.


Yeah, show studies done by scientists willing to lose their career.


Exactly.  Show me exactly what the Gates Foundation is putting in their 3rd world vaccines to reduce population growth oops I mean to help these poor people and we can then have the Rockefeller Foundation people grant money to scientists to fund the peer review.

Right!  I am so sure.


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Re: My sister won't get her baby vaccinated [Re: LunarEclipse] * 1
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LunarEclipse said:
ElVatoFirme said:
LittleDaddy said:
Show me peer reviews against vaccines.


Yeah, show studies done by scientists willing to lose their career.


Exactly.  Show me exactly what the Gates Foundation is putting in their 3rd world vaccines to reduce population growth oops I mean to help these poor people and we can then have the Rockefeller Foundation people grant money to scientists to fund the peer review.

Right!  I am so sure.


typical


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Re: My sister won't get her baby vaccinated [Re: LittleDaddy] * 1
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The burden of proof falls on the accuser, in this case, those claiming that vaccines cause more harm than good.  To my knowledge, the "study" linking vaccines to autism was junk science at best.  It was full of fabricated evidence and has since been debunked.


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Re: My sister won't get her baby vaccinated [Re: Captain Kaveman]
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My parents did the same thing because they were worried about side effects. And they wouldn't let me get a flu shot either.

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Re: My sister won't get her baby vaccinated [Re: ShiVersblood]
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Ask her when the fuck the last time she heard about a case of Polio was, and why that is. Scientists have sacrificed career and wealth time and time again to get vital information published, vaccines would be nothing new if there were strong legitimate counterpoints to be made. No drug is perfect, but for fuck's sake, being paralyzed to inaction by minor risk in light of greater risks is absurd.

Edited by Xingu (01/29/15 02:48 PM)

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Re: My sister won't get her baby vaccinated [Re: LittleDaddy]
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LittleDaddy said:
LunarEclipse said:
ElVatoFirme said:
LittleDaddy said:
Show me peer reviews against vaccines.


Yeah, show studies done by scientists willing to lose their career.


Exactly.  Show me exactly what the Gates Foundation is putting in their 3rd world vaccines to reduce population growth oops I mean to help these poor people and we can then have the Rockefeller Foundation people grant money to scientists to fund the peer review.

Right!  I am so sure.


typical


Who do you think funds for scientific research?  Who would stand to benefit by standing up against vaccines in the university/corporate world?  Who will be paying for these peer reviews to challenge Merck et al?


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Re: My sister won't get her baby vaccinated [Re: LunarEclipse]
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Shut. The fuck. Up.


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Re: My sister won't get her baby vaccinated [Re: Xingu]
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Xingu said:
Shut. The fuck. Up.




Cancer epidemic.  Out of control.  Numerous cancer viruses including SV-40 were found in polio vaccines as admitted by Dr. Maurice Hilleman, the chief vaccine researcher at Merck at the time years later.

Hepatitis B vaccine.  Oddly AIDS showed up first in the gay men vaccinated with it.  Very peculiar.


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Re: My sister won't get her baby vaccinated [Re: LunarEclipse]
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LunarEclipse said:
Who do you think funds for scientific research?  Who would stand to benefit by standing up against vaccines in the university/corporate world?  Who will be paying for these peer reviews to challenge Merck et al?


NIH, independent organizations (including ones against vaccines), etc. Organizations like MAPs.

Lol. As mentioned before, the university's faculty would be pretty well funded following a hypothetical study against vaccines.


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Re: My sister won't get her baby vaccinated [Re: LunarEclipse]
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LunarEclipse said:

Hepatitis B vaccine.  Oddly AIDS showed up first in the gay men vaccinated with it.  Very peculiar.


No, that's a completely unjustified correlation. AIDs began in populations that don't receive vaccines.


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Re: My sister won't get her baby vaccinated [Re: LittleDaddy]
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Xingu said:
Ask her when the fuck the last time she heard about a case of Polio was, and why that is. Scientists have sacrificed career and wealth time and time again to get vital information published, vaccines would be nothing new if there were strong legitimate counterpoints to be made. No drug is perfect, but for fuck's sake, being paralyzed to inaction by minor risk in light of greater risks is absurd.


LittleDaddy said:
LunarEclipse said:

Hepatitis B vaccine.  Oddly AIDS showed up first in the gay men vaccinated with it.  Very peculiar.


No, that's a completely unjustified correlation. AIDs began in populations that don't receive vaccines.


AIDs in this country, the US of A, first showed up in gay men in NYC and San Francisco who were vaccinated with a Hepatitis B vaccine.  Perhaps the vaccine was contaminated with HIV?  Blood transfusions had HIV virus in them, why not a vaccine?

The Gardasil HPV vaccine routinely given to many teenage girls has caused many to be infertile, and made many more ill.


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Re: My sister won't get her baby vaccinated [Re: LunarEclipse]
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LunarEclipse said:
Xingu said:
Ask her when the fuck the last time she heard about a case of Polio was, and why that is. Scientists have sacrificed career and wealth time and time again to get vital information published, vaccines would be nothing new if there were strong legitimate counterpoints to be made. No drug is perfect, but for fuck's sake, being paralyzed to inaction by minor risk in light of greater risks is absurd.


LittleDaddy said:
LunarEclipse said:

Hepatitis B vaccine.  Oddly AIDS showed up first in the gay men vaccinated with it.  Very peculiar.


No, that's a completely unjustified correlation. AIDs began in populations that don't receive vaccines.


AIDs in this country, the US of A, first showed up in gay men in NYC and San Francisco who were vaccinated with a Hepatitis B vaccine.  Perhaps the vaccine was contaminated with HIV?  Blood transfusions had HIV virus in them, why not a vaccine?

The Gardasil HPV vaccine routinely given to many teenage girls has caused many to be infertile, and made many more ill.


lol there are multiple fallacies with your argument. To name a couple:
1) You're picking one variable out of all the variables in their life. they both live in cities. cities have pollution. therefore, cities give you AIDs. how many people with Hepatitis B vaccines don't get AIDs? I can name quite a few, seeing as how the broad majority of people in my university working in Biosafety III and above get vaccinated.

2) Blood transfusions carried AIDs because blood was drawn from people infected with AIDs. Hence why heroin users shouldn't share needles. The Hep. B vaccine isn't made from human blood.

I'm done debating with you. Nothing you have said is legitimate and your sources aren't reputable.


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Re: My sister won't get her baby vaccinated [Re: LittleDaddy]
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LittleDaddy said:
LunarEclipse said:
Xingu said:
Ask her when the fuck the last time she heard about a case of Polio was, and why that is. Scientists have sacrificed career and wealth time and time again to get vital information published, vaccines would be nothing new if there were strong legitimate counterpoints to be made. No drug is perfect, but for fuck's sake, being paralyzed to inaction by minor risk in light of greater risks is absurd.


LittleDaddy said:
LunarEclipse said:

Hepatitis B vaccine.  Oddly AIDS showed up first in the gay men vaccinated with it.  Very peculiar.


No, that's a completely unjustified correlation. AIDs began in populations that don't receive vaccines.


AIDs in this country, the US of A, first showed up in gay men in NYC and San Francisco who were vaccinated with a Hepatitis B vaccine.  Perhaps the vaccine was contaminated with HIV?  Blood transfusions had HIV virus in them, why not a vaccine?

The Gardasil HPV vaccine routinely given to many teenage girls has caused many to be infertile, and made many more ill.


lol there are multiple fallacies with your argument. To name a couple:
1) You're picking one variable out of all the variables in their life. they both live in cities. cities have pollution. therefore, cities give you AIDs. how many people with Hepatitis B vaccines don't get AIDs? I can name quite a few, seeing as how the broad majority of people in my university working in Biosafety III and above get vaccinated.

2) Blood transfusions carried AIDs because blood was drawn from people infected with AIDs. Hence why heroin users shouldn't share needles. The Hep. B vaccine isn't made from human blood.

I'm done debating with you. Nothing you have said is legitimate and your sources aren't reputable.


Cities give you AIDs?  What planet did you come from?

Quit trying to impress me with your university and what it does.  I could care less, just the fact that you bring it up then attempt to put me down shows your arrogance.  I went to an Ivy League school, BTW just in case you want to further compare dick size. 

Do some actual homework, and research into the early Hep B vaccines, and the resulting cases of AIDs in specifically NYC and San Francisco, where these vaccines were given in an early study, and what other conclusion can you draw than they were contaminated with HIV.


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Re: My sister won't get her baby vaccinated [Re: LunarEclipse]
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I think the vaccines do more harm than good, but I'm not going to push my views on anyone the same way that I expect all the pro-vacciners to mind their own business as well.

Your niece is going to be fine man.


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Re: My sister won't get her baby vaccinated [Re: Mr.PhilCybin]
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I never hear about polio anymore.


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Re: My sister won't get her baby vaccinated [Re: ShiVersblood]
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"because our awesome medical system eradicated it with these incredible vaccines" :rolleyes:


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Re: My sister won't get her baby vaccinated [Re: Mr.PhilCybin]
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I saw this thing where this guy his hands group crippled from side effects of vaccines

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Re: My sister won't get her baby vaccinated [Re: ShiVersblood]
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Yeah, that small pox vaccine definitely did more harm than good.


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