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WChef

Registered: 10/27/14
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What factors influence alkaloid production in datura species?
#22364910 - 10/11/15 06:51 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've very curious about datura and may try it someday. I know most say its awful, and its certainly dangerous, but there's a lot that still interests me about it, but if I ever decide to try it I obviously want to minimize risk. One of the less subjective reasons people recommend against is that alkaloid concentrations in individual specimens vary greatly due to growing conditions, making it nearly impossible to properly discern safe, effective doses.
But what if one were to grow it indoors under controlled conditions? Factors such as soil pH and sunlight are often mentioned as confounding factors, but never their positive/negative correlation. Does acidic/basic soil cause a plant to produce more/less alkaloids? What about high/low light growing conditions? Can anyone shed some light on this topic, or at least discuss it with me?
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modern.shaman
San Mescalito




Registered: 05/09/12
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Loc: Zone 13
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Re: What factors influence alkaloid production in datura species? [Re: WChef]
#22369509 - 10/12/15 05:37 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I believe that the alkaloid concentrations is plant specific. If you do decide to experiment with datura WHICH IS NOT RECOMMENDED you should make a single large batch of tincture from the seeds. You would then take a TINY amount of the tincture and work your way up once a week until you find the active dose. DO NOT RUSH when upping dose and again there are other entheogens that are much better substitute. I HIGHLY RECOMMEND NOT FUCKING WITH Datura or other Deliriant. They will most likely FUCK UP YOUR LIFE. Lots of people have ruined their lives over this and you should not risk it
If you want to risk ruining your life here is a pretty nice guide to doing it a little more controlled. https://mycotopia.net/topic/95510-radiums-dervish-dust-datura-tek/
Most would just recommend not doing it and not providing information due to how dangerous this plant it. You sound determined to experiment so do so EXTREMELY carefully or you will regret it. You will likely regret it even if you are careful.
I'd say just grow it for the pretty flowers and do not ingest lady Datura. 2 or 3 seeds is considered safe by most to help combat nausea but always take heed especially if taking maoi
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WChef

Registered: 10/27/14
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Re: What factors influence alkaloid production in datura species? [Re: modern.shaman]
#22370827 - 10/12/15 09:19 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thanks for the info and words of caution. I wouldn't say I'm determined but I'm extremely curious about it. I came across some jimsonweed seeds not too long ago. Instead of doing something stupid (eating them without prior research), I planted them. Currently have some seedlings popping up and thought since I can control their growth conditions and even genetics to some degree, I could reduce the variable of alkaloid concentration (so I know just how much I would be consuming).
Like I said, I'm looking into ways to minimize risk. I don't plan to touch the stuff for like years anyway, and who knows, maybe I'll never be able to control enough factors and decide against it. Juuuuust brainstorming.
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Desert Delerium


Registered: 04/15/13
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Re: What factors influence alkaloid production in datura species? [Re: WChef]
#22371672 - 10/13/15 02:08 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I find Datura to be a very odd desert plant. Look around its natural habitat. You will see many other shrubs and annuals, but they all have very small leaves, lightly colored leaves, or leaves covered with thick hairs. These are all modifications that allow these plants to survive in the desert by reducing water loss, reflecting heat, or shading their epidermis.
Datura has none of that. It's leaves are generally dark green, huge and only have very short hairs. Everything about this plant screams that it would prefer tropical conditions, yet somehow it thrives in the intense heat. I've even seen them growing out of cracks in rocks. Resilient marvels of nature.
Just some food for thought. Oh, and the flowers are phenomenal.
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