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TheDoctor
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if youve already taken it, best wishes i guess.
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Tranceharper
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to clairfy a few things , though at this point it dosent matter, I would go stick my finger, a spoon, anything down your throat and vomit that up as soon as possible before the anti emetic effects become so strong , that such becomes impossible. your post was a few hours ago leafing , so you are close to , or over that point , I really do wish people understood why there are so many horror stories about these plants ...
First off, the flower, is the part of the plant that contains the lowest concentration of tropane alkaloids
Roots , seeds, seedpods , and the juice in either, hold the highest potential for alkaloid content ... Leaves next ... stems next ... flowers , and pollen , last ,they do contain the alkaloids, but are infact the least potent ... I am assuming the notion that the flowers are the most potent, is a result of Castanenda ( as I would also assume most of the hospitol admissions relating to datura or brugmansia, are in some way linked to ... ) The brujo said to the apprentice, that the flowers are never taken internaly, only to make one crazy , that is in that specific cultrual tradition, in others they are aphrodesiacs in anycase ... the flowers do not have a unpleasent odor , or taste , so they could be fed to someone against their will (god forbid anyone is dark enough to attempt this ) and result in turning them crazy, in delerium, one would continue to beable to ' eat ' the flowers, and not question that they were more then fruit ... The seeds he ate , 50 , depending on his body weight, genetics , where the plant was grown under which conditions, he may die, or he may end up in a mental institution ... Anti psychotics dont counteract these . And if you already had a signifigantly different mental process ( as I have all my life as well , so also relating from experience ) your brain is going to be permenatly rewired ... if you read this , can read this still I hope you can, pray, and call out to what you call divine , if you dont die , you may as well end up benifiting from this ... What you call god, ancestors, or that which may benifit, ask for help, for you will need it ....
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Shnezbit
Psycho-naught
Registered: 09/30/04
Posts: 1,202
Loc: The Threshold.
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Hey post back here to let us know you're alright.
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Lysergic_Milkman
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Re: datura... [Re: Shnezbit]
#4771493 - 10/08/05 12:26 AM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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May be in the hospital now, or worse...
I think we should all be praying for this guy (however you wish to perform it...).
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Asante
Omnicyclion prophet
Registered: 02/06/02
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Re: datura... [Re: leafing]
#4772070 - 10/08/05 05:15 AM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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well i took like 50 seeds smoked some , smoked leaves... and i feel nothing.
fifty large seeds of a scopolamine-based Datura... The very poison he took.
I hope he's in the hospital, because if those seeds are of usual potency he might need their drugs & equipment to keep him alive. If you take 50 of these seeds you DEFINATELY want to be in the Intensive Care Unit, even if you're lucid and feel kinda OK. Consciousness may be lost and your heart might beat so slow (bradycardia) that it may lose the beat altogether.
And then combined with antipsychotics.. You usually don't get those for a sore throat and scopolamine is a psychotogen.. Most antipsychotics act on the heart too, which already is under all-out assault of the scopolamine.
If those seeds are of average potency he's on the Dark Side of the Moon now (as we would say with mushrooms or LSD: the period where posting is no longer an option) but it might just be a particularly dark side.
His dose might have been as high as 5-25mg scopolamine, which could put him on the bad side of the area between stupor and coma.
It's so unfortunate you can't help these people. You sit by, read how they poison themself ASA (Against Shroomery Advice) and then you have to wait when/if they return from the dark side of the moon and what condition they will be in.
If he took as much tropanes as I think he did his return might be today or more likely take the good part of a week. If he's a psychotic he might go florid and it will probably take weeks at least. But what I dread is that his username posts and it's not him but a next of kin
Don't do Datura, people, don't EVER do Datura in quantity. A prayer would be called for.
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lechuck
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Re: datura... [Re: Asante]
#4772135 - 10/08/05 06:57 AM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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I don?t think he really did it
at least hope so
please never do daura people
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Shnezbit
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Re: datura... [Re: lechuck]
#4772181 - 10/08/05 07:46 AM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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i was looking through his old threads to see if there was anything to indicate this guy is full of shit. i don't think he is. theres nothing in his threads to indicate he wouldn't be serious in this thread. he is on lithium as he says in this thread: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat...rue#Post4092352 i hope he is ok.
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leafing
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Re: datura... [Re: Shnezbit]
#4772999 - 10/08/05 01:30 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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o woopps i forgot to post back actually i had a good time.. i went to sleep right afterwards had weird dreams woke up a little blurry eyed and a little euphoric.. sorry if i made anyone worry and yes i realize it was a stupid thing to try them but ive always wanted to experience it atleast once
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leafing
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Re: datura... [Re: leafing]
#4773010 - 10/08/05 01:35 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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hmm.. i didn't know.. but these last few days Ive felt a little different not bad just different like everything is more clear (even though my eye vision is a little blurry)cant really explain it.. but no I'm still alive... also when i woke i was very tired and had small hallucinations.. like id wake up after a 5 minute nap and hallucinate like water and drink it but when id open my eyes again there was no water at sight... same thing i hallucnated a friend... supprisingly i enjoyed a little
im truly sorry i made people worry and ill prolly never do anything as irresponsible, even though i enjoyed it a little (but i guess i was lucky , seeing as how ppl reacted to the very mention of this dangerous drug)
edit: i was only on lithium for a little bit im obly on seroquel (a mild antipsycotic) starttera and adderall
Edited by leafing (10/08/05 01:40 PM)
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Shnezbit
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Re: datura... [Re: leafing]
#4773374 - 10/08/05 03:40 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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did you eat any of the seeds and if so how many? glad to hear your ok., thanks for posting back.
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leafing
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Re: datura... [Re: Shnezbit]
#4773568 - 10/08/05 04:28 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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around 40 id say.. prety much almost all in the pod.. and i smoked some leaves and seeds too..
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Mighty Bop
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Re: datura... [Re: leafing]
#4773732 - 10/08/05 05:18 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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Check out Carlos Casteneda's books. I am currently reading "A Separate Reality". He takes Datura Inoxia in them in different forms.
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Shnezbit
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Re: datura... [Re: leafing]
#4776037 - 10/09/05 07:50 AM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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you got lucky i think. from what i've read the potency of the seeds varies from time to time. it may have something to do with moon cycles or season. 40 seeds is alot, you could have died if they were in their most potent state.
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ShroomOmatic
Ethno Apprentice
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Datura scares me. Be careful with that stuff.
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MxIndustry
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Quote:
Tranceharper said: I would however, advise against consuming any part of it , unless you are willing to accept what may result ... -Tranceharper
I believe I had the exact same type of datura once and I swallowed about a tablespoon of those seeds somewhere around 11. I found the effect was anything from what is written about, other than the intense urge to sleep and light-headedness. I also woke up about 3 times in the night to get a glass of water and the next day I was in a bad mood. Experiment with small dosages until you are ready to step one foot into a grave.
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Tranceharper
Psychokitty
Registered: 09/17/05
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Loc: Pacific Northwest USA
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Glad you are alright leafing .. and Mxindustry... The function of these plants is exactly that " to step one foot in the grave " they induce a state like death , that is their medicine ... but ' like death ' and ' Death ' while similar in experience , differ in one sense ... when your dead ... your dead , you dont come back ... the point is to come close to that, but return, a risky proposition.
Leafing you did have me quite worried , you took thoes near the new moon , which is probobly what made the difference between life and death . Datura is something that has me worried these days, it is so readily avalible , it is a common weed in much of the united states , and is known by many to be ' psychoactive ' but little more is known ... Sad thing is , I am pretty sure this is going to get schedualed at a federal level eventually . Which will deprive thoes who value its beauty ... and medicine , of a very powerful , and helpuful plant , with a long history of interaction with human kind ... even more worrying however, that aside, is that human lives will continue to be snuffed out like so many candles , as a result of these, it happens Perhaps it was better when people knew these plants simply as ' poison ' ... Castanenda opened up a dangerous door in american culture , while the plant has been known to be psychoactive since long before euorpean arival in americas , It was treated with great respect by the natives , who has known of it for so long, and knew what it was capable of , these days , that sort of respect is sorely lacking, as would be my guess , that the shaman who still do partake of this medicine, are less common ... So the folks who do partake of this , are more often then not , people who have no idea how toxic these really are, how different factors effect toxitiy, or what ' delerium' truely is , also in this day and age, obescity is common , which puts great wear and tear on the heart ... Death from these plants are a result of Heart / Lung Failure , as well as cigarette smoking ( yet another nightshade poison ) is so common .. People are going to continue to die as a result of these , schedualed or unschedualed, and no extermination effort will ever get rid of these , they are some of natures most sucessful , and most opportunistic plants . They will be here ages longer then our own species ... -Tranceharper
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leery11
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i'm kind of confused because i read this thread, and he said he SMOKED, and everyone started freaking out saying "man you shouldn't have eaten them"
so did you smoke and eat? Maybe I missed something. Either way it's good that you're okay.
I'm kind of worried as more and more kids start getting turned onto these enthobotanical websites, and they might think "hmm datura, that sounds fun" because they don't have accurate information about the dangers, and they can legally buy it, etc.
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Tranceharper
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Re: datura... [Re: leery11]
#4788642 - 10/11/05 07:03 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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Most kids dont even need to go as far as a ethnobotanical site for Tropane nightshades, they are native or naturalized in many parts of the world . and abundant in some cases . Its the fault of the youth culture, not the plant, that kids die as a result of these , fault of the individual yes, but must consider what the culture is like these people come from ... Its a result of ignorance , but when in a culture , ignorance is accepted as the norm , what would normaly be ' you get what you desrve ' situation , really does become saddening -Tranceharper
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550c
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Quote:
Tranceharper said: Most kids dont even need to go as far as a ethnobotanical site for Tropane nightshades, they are native or naturalized in many parts of the world . and abundant in some cases
It is everywhere, Its even growing in my yard (socal)
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leafing
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Re: datura... [Re: 550c]
#4794416 - 10/12/05 06:18 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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yea i smoked and ate them.. yea the truth is i was irresponisble and ignorant on datura and that very ignorance didnt even have me worried but like others said i got pretty lucky .i bet if i were to do it again luck wouldnt be on my side
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