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Objective Teleportation.
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There use to be magic now it's swept aside. It will be neat to exist when the mind will be able to completely objectively teleport object and such to different areas. Maybe someone will help me make a safe landing path to a nice island.


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Re: Objective Teleportation. [Re: Droz]
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Maybe someone will help me make a safe landing path to a nice island.



Or maybe you will be decieved and find haven to a hellish dimension...think about that!


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Re: Objective Teleportation. [Re: Droz]
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The mind can already do this. Check this out:

There is a fork here on my desk. I used it to consume food. I would like that fork to be in the dishwasher in the kitchen.... I will now use my mind to grab the fork with my hand , walk into the kitchen, place the fork in the dishwasher. Let's see if it works...

WOW I've returned from the kitchen and now the fork is gone from my desk! The wonders of these mind/body combos, eh?!


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Re: Objective Teleportation. [Re: Droz]
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No that is not what I meant Strumpling. Your mind moves your hand. What if your mind could move that fork as an extension of your body. If i could blink my eyes and land on top of a mountain in new comfortable clothes, and the sky nice and clear with the stars out. Or maybe land next to a waterfall, then i'll build a hut and throw some seeds and slow my mind down and watch the plant grow. When the plant finishes growing i then begin to ponder, where did these seeds come from. Now when i find where the seeds come from i get lost in confused and don't know what to think so i stumble, only to regrow as a new seed.


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Re: Objective Teleportation. [Re: Droz]
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hehe I understand what you mean, but to me, this is the closest possibility that existence has come up with so far.

Being able to interact with the environment with just my hands I find to be an amazing accomplishment by evolution and life in general. Ask a plant to put that fork in the dishwasher, and you'll get a blank stare.

We're headed in the right direction - I think teleportation will be a possibility - from what I understand though, teleporting something isn't really moving it from one place to another - the process is actually just deconstructing the object COMPLETELY to see PRECISELY how it is built, and then reassembling it elsewhere with the data obtained through deconstruction.

edit: I don't think teleportation will ever be built into the brain naturally (edit#2: if it isn't already :wink: )- that would have to be a component we add later using the reaches of technology


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Edited by Strumpling (01/02/04 05:53 PM)

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Re: Objective Teleportation. [Re: Strumpling]
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I also think telepotation will become a possibility at some point, if our current physics continues to advance in the same manner that it has...

Though I think "teleportation" will not involve moving an object from one point to another, so much as moving one point to another point - with the object simply switching the point it occupies as the points move.


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Re: Objective Teleportation. [Re: trendal]
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possible and has been done.  just my two cents, worthless i am sure  :tongue:


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Re: Objective Teleportation. [Re: truekimbo2]
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Quite possible that it has/is done somewhere in the Universe, yes. Very slightly possible that it has been done by humans...though I highly doubt it.


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Re: Objective Teleportation. [Re: truekimbo2]
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could you point me to where I could see some documentation on this?

Of course your two cents have "worth" if they are legit cents.


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Re: Objective Teleportation. [Re: Strumpling]
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hmm, i guess you could try walking into the pentagon or some fort the name of which i can't remeber where i know some of this stuff goes on.

my belief that teleportation has been done comes from an anacdote told to me by a person who told me telekinesis was real, and suggested methods for proving that to myself. which i then did, so i have no reason to doubt teleportation either.

i guess that wouldn't really help YOU though  :tongue:


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Re: Objective Teleportation. [Re: truekimbo2]
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You have found teleportation? Seriously? I've been looking everywhere for it... I am in desperate need of it (just ask a certain someone). Fill me in, man.
Peace.


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Re: Objective Teleportation. [Re: fireworks_god]
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just that it exsists/has been done. get practicing and if you have natural talent and dedication you'll maybe be able to do it in 10-30 years

every reply of my in this post gets a goofy tounge stick out face by the way

(psipog.net look up the articles on phasing. the person who phased knew someone who had the same problem with short teleportation.)


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Re: Objective Teleportation. [Re: truekimbo2]
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Hehe, teleportation would come in handy.... I can't wait until we can all do it. hehe
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Re: Objective Teleportation. [Re: fireworks_god]
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My 9-year old and I were talking about teleportation on our drive from Texas to California.    :smile:


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Re: Objective Teleportation. [Re: Frog]
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My 9-year old and I were talking about teleportation on our drive from Texas to California.

I was taking to a friend about driving while teleporting back from Tahiti...


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Re: Objective Teleportation. [Re: trendal]
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Though I think "teleportation" will not involve moving an object from one point to another, so much as moving one point to another point - with the object simply switching the point it occupies as the points move


spice must flow... :wink:

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Re: Objective Teleportation. [Re: Swami]
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Swami said:
My 9-year old and I were talking about teleportation on our drive from Texas to California.

I was taking to a friend about driving while teleporting back from Tahiti...


I was talking to a friend's 9 year old about Tahiti while teleporting back from my drive.  :grin:

Now someone say quick "I was talking to my 9 year old's friend about Tahiti while driving back from my teleport".  :lol:

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Re: Objective Teleportation. [Re: trendal]
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I can hardly grasp your concept of switching points. Do you mean that our understanding of physics will reach up to the point where we can twist the fabric of space, or maybe realize that somehow more dimensions are interwoven in it, or what?

Theoretically speaking, teleportation may be possible once nanotechnology is advanced enough so that we can scan all molecules of an object, then send the relevant information to a receiving machine in another location and rebuild the structure there, with some molecules that are kept in stock (then we can destroy the original or keep it as a backup in case something goes wrong).

But, when it comes to a conscious being, there is the issue of whether the quality called consciousness will be transferred. If consciousness is an emergent property of simply the organization of matter, that is regardless of the specific atoms that constitute the structure, then maybe yes, but how would you know?

If you teleport someone, you will presumably have a copy that would still talk and everything, but how would you know for sure that she is conscious? What if our assumptions are false?

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Re: Objective Teleportation. [Re: raytrace]
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can hardly grasp your concept of switching points. Do you mean that our understanding of physics will reach up to the point where we can twist the fabric of space, or maybe realize that somehow more dimensions are interwoven in it, or what?

I'm not sure, but it's quite possible either could be the final solution. Warping of spacetime is possible and can be quite easily accomplished by confining large ammounts of energy/matter to a small spatial area (ie: gravity). It may also be possible that our idea of extended distance is entierly an illusion...though I am not sure exactly how.

Theoretically speaking, teleportation may be possible once nanotechnology is advanced enough so that we can scan all molecules of an object, then send the relevant information to a receiving machine in another location and rebuild the structure there, with some molecules that are kept in stock (then we can destroy the original or keep it as a backup in case something goes wrong).

According to the Heisenberg uncertainty you could never know everything about even ONE particle, let alone such a number in system.


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Re: Objective Teleportation. [Re: trendal]
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According to the Heisenberg uncertainty you could never know everything about even ONE particle, however you don't really care about individual particles but rather for the topological relations between aggregations of particles, that is, the geometry on a molecular level. You can treat molecules as black boxes and pass only the necessary information regarding their interaction and the dependencies within the structures formed. Compress it; pipe it. Given that a near complete geometry is correctly passed, on reconstruction the old dynamics will take over the new structure. Does that not suffice?

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Re: Objective Teleportation. [Re: raytrace]
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Perhaps, but I think not. It is becoming more apparent that at least some of our brain functioning is based on quantum-level events...which could not be accurately duplicated (because of the inability to measure them precisely) from one location to another.

In effect, this method would result in an approximate copy of the object being "teleported". This may not be accurate enough, where living matter is concerned.


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Re: Objective Teleportation. [Re: trendal]
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Yeah, I am with you on this, I took the opposite side for the sake of discussion.

It may also be possible that our idea of extended distance is entierly an illusion...though I am not sure exactly how.
If you haven't, you should check the last issue of New Scientist for 2003. There is this article "Einstein on Acid", describing the work of a scientist who has gathered a number of level 5 trip reports on mushrooms (I am sure some people around here have contributed without their knowledge), and by statistically studying them has constructed an alternative model of spacetime based on these experiences.

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Re: Objective Teleportation. [Re: trendal]
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Perhaps, but I think not
You think not, therefore you are not. Hey, I have just philosophically teleported trendal out of existence. Never mind the quantum effects...

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Re: Objective Teleportation. [Re: raytrace]
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Lol!


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Re: Objective Teleportation. [Re: raytrace]
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you can look around online, but they've come up with some sort of mathmatical trickery method to minimize the quantum uncertainty factor. in theory they CAN get all the info from an object.


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Re: Objective Teleportation. [Re: trendal]
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wow it sounds like teleportation and time travel are somewhat similar if one uses the "connecting two points in space" description


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Re: Objective Teleportation. [Re: Strumpling]
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Yes, they are probably intimately connected...


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