MagicMush123 said:

Post some pics!

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Prisoner#1 said:

it's really not that simple but I'll use a simplistic and very crude and
probably offensive way to describe it. transgenders arent simply men that want
to be women, they're women born the wrong gender, they're wired differently and
this isnt something that's recent, it's been happening throughout history and is
well documented through that time so this really isnt about empowerment or
society, it's about the individual trying to be who they are inside

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no offense to any TG's, but i like this description. i'm happy for you op.

and this is just me, but i'd much rather get buck nasty with pre-op than post-op.

BlindSophist said:

Pris hits the nail on the head. He's one of those baffling super-conservative posters who understands trans people better than most liberals and argues in favor of them better than most trans people. This forum has a few of them. It's confusing, but I have to admit it's pretty cool, they make really good allies.

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zappaisgod said:

BlindSophist said:

Pris hits the nail on the head. He's one of those baffling super-conservative posters who understands trans people better than most liberals and argues in favor of them better than most trans people. This forum has a few of them. It's confusing, but I have to admit it's pretty cool, they make really good allies.

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Funny how that works, isn't it? 

I liked what Rose said about me once.  "ZIG isn't that kind of conservative".  Remember that next time you're tempted to make blanket statements about conservatives.  We aren't all the same.

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As a rule, trans people know best how to argue on behalf of trans people, but there are exceptions to every rule. You guys have a surprisingly good understanding of these issues and break them down in persuasive, respectful and humanizing terms. I've actually started following you guys' examples for building up my arguments against steadfast naysayers and it's been really successful, I've been holding my own in those big debate threads where every instinct tells me to get hostile or evasive. It makes me feel good to post at the shroomery again.

millzy said:

i've never thought social conservatism made any sense. i can see most other points of view but that one in particular seems to be fueled solely by fear.

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ZiG always makes this distinction and it's very important, between social and fiscal conservatism. It's a shame that social conservatism is so closely associated with fiscal conservatism, because I think the social angle drives away a lot of people who would be on board with the fiscal angle. I still consider myself pretty progressive, but I can respect fiscal conservatism even if I personally disagree with it. I can't say the same for the "pray the gay away" crowd.

Magicman69 said:

A lot of Conservatives are actually more Libertarian. I vote Republican but I'm pro-choice, pro gay-marriage, and anti drug war. I think a lot of the Republican voters are similar. Maybe not the majority but a lot. I think the government should stay the hell out of our lives.

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