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Re: Trans girl update [Re: JvF] 1
#21931444 - 07/11/15 11:39 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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jfischer218 said: Im not saying transexuals dont feel like women. Hell, when im on ketamine i feel like a refrigerator. That doesnt make me one.
If you have a penis, you are a man.
It's not actually that simple
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Re: Trans girl update [Re: JvF] 2
#21931455 - 07/11/15 11:42 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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jfischer218 said: Just caught up on this thread.
This is how i see it.
Society wants everyone to "be comfortable in their own skin," to tell people that being overweight is alright because fat is pretty, to accept everything that was once unacceptable by means of changing perspective.
For some reason, a man who got surgery to have boobs and wears a wig is suddenly a woman. Why? Because society is geared towards self empowerment and anythint ANYONE wants to do is now acceptable as long as long as theres a small monority willing to fight for it and it doesnt hurt anyone else.
Thats fine, be a "woman," thats not the issue. The issue comes in when offense is taken that society doesnt regard you as one.
There is identifying genetic makeup in every human being, far more than reassignment surgery or hormone therapy can ever hope to alter. Our gender goes as deep as the pineal gland and beyond.
A man is a man, a woman is a woman. There is no inbetween. There is no "transexual dick." A dick is a dick. If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, its a duck.
Even if you remove all your man twigs and berries, you will always be a man. Always. I dont care who you identify as. Its genetically coded into you, and sadly, we dont live in a time where science is advanced enough to alter that.
The problem i have isnt with getting fucked by dicks, its trying to play it off as something else. Homosexuality is attraction to ones own sex, by means of deception or not. In the case of a tranny, the deception is at a higher ratexl, but the homosexual aspect is in full effect.
To take it further, getting penetrated by a penis is, by all means, homosexual activity. Theres no 2 ways about it.
A penis is a penis, a woman is a woman, a man is a man. There is no inbetween. If i study law for 5 years, put on a cop uniform, and make traffic stops in a tricked out crown vic that doesnt make me a cop, that makes me a cop lookalike.
Theres nothing wrong with being homosexual, ive banged dudes and chicks alike. But call a spade a spade
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Re: Trans girl update [Re: JvF]
#21931463 - 07/11/15 11:44 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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jfischer218 said: Im not saying transexuals dont feel like women. Hell, when im on ketamine i feel like a refrigerator. That doesnt make me one.
If you have a penis, you are a man.
again you're basing this on no more than physiology and this certainly isnt something that occurs simply because they're on drugs
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If a schizophrenic sees shadows and hears voices that dont exist, are they right in the fact that their perceptions are real or are we right for insisting that they dont exist?
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Re: Trans girl update [Re: JvF]
#21931466 - 07/11/15 11:45 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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jfischer218 said: If a schizophrenic sees shadows and hears voices that dont exist, are they right in the fact that their perceptions are real or are we right for insisting that they dont exist?
for them their perceptions are their reality just as yours are your reality
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But to everyone else, theyre not real.
Same principle applies to transexuals.
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Re: Trans girl update [Re: JvF]
#21931492 - 07/11/15 11:49 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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jfischer218 said: But to everyone else, theyre not real.
Same applies to transexuals.
I'm sure this narrow, liniar view does apply as such to many people but that certainly isnt any more than you and others claiming it's a mental illness and while I can see it as a form of body dismorphism is this some reason to marginalize who they are as you're currently doing?
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Re: Trans girl update [Re: JvF]
#21931502 - 07/11/15 11:50 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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jfischer218 said: If a schizophrenic sees shadows and hears voices that dont exist, are they right in the fact that their perceptions are real or are we right for insisting that they dont exist?
This is a false equivalence. Trans people are healthy when their identity is respected and validated and quite often benefit enormously from sex reassignment therapies. The same cannot be said for schizophrenic people whose delusions, by off chance, get taken seriously. In fact, trans people are not delusional at all.
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Who is being marginalized? Why are we not allowed to talk about this?
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Re: Trans girl update [Re: Ran-D] 1
#21931540 - 07/11/15 11:59 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Im not saying transexuals are mentally ill or experiencing any type of "dismorphism", im creating an analogy.
What im saying is that what they feel doesnt matter, because it isnt true.
A schozophrenic is hallucinating and a transexual is their true gender.
There is no gray area depending on how they "feel," feelings are completely irrelevant. Anatomically they are male or female.
Theres no other basis
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Re: Trans girl update [Re: JvF]
#21931562 - 07/12/15 12:04 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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jfischer218 said: Im not saying transexuals are mentally ill or experiencing any type of "dismorphism", im creating an analogy.
What im saying is that what they feel doesnt matter, because it isnt true.
why doesnt it matter, is it because you say so, is it because society says so?
your comparison is in fact calling this a mental illness
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A schozophrenic is hallucinating and a transexual is their true gender.
how can a transgender be their true gender?
you're making a statement about sex, not gender
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Re: Trans girl update [Re: Ran-D]
#21931569 - 07/12/15 12:05 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ran-D said: Who is being marginalized? Why are we not allowed to talk about this?
we are talking about it
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Re: Trans girl update [Re: JvF]
#21931576 - 07/12/15 12:07 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Trans people are more functional in their self-determined gender and their neuroanatomy more closely resembles norms corresponding to their self-determined gender as well. Scientifically speaking, trans people have a very solid basis for their stated gender
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I dont see how this isnt making sense. If it sounds basic, it's because it is.
Ill repeat this one more time, then im going to bed.
If.you.have.a.penis....you.are.a.man.
If.you.ejaculate.semen.and.sperm...you.are.a.man.
If.you.have.a.uterus.and.produce.eggs...you.are.a.woman.
I dont care if you think you think youre jackie chan or peter fucking pan. If youre not running around chinatown with chris rock or flying around on pixie dust youre not either one
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Re: Trans girl update [Re: JvF]
#21931642 - 07/12/15 12:28 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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jfischer218 said: I dont see how this isnt making sense. If it sounds basic, it's because it is.
Ill repeat this one more time, then im going to bed.
If.you.have.a.penis....you.are.a.man.
If.you.ejaculate.semen.and.sperm...you.are.a.man.
If.you.have.a.uterus.and.produce.eggs...you.are.a.woman.
a rather simplistic view for a very complex subject
did you know that liberals in support of abortion say that a foetus isnt really a human yet they claim that this non human can already be gay, that's reasoning that doesnt make sense either
start looking at the XX/XY cromosomal differences, isnt it possible that someone with the XX cromosomes vould be born with a penis, we know the odds of identical twins being born of different sexes are damn near impossible given that they wouldnt be identical at that point, we also know that some children are born with both sexual organs, hermaphrodites, while it's rare it does happen and we cant say "you have a penis so you're a male/you have a vagina so you're a female" even though that choice is often made for those children at a very young age, a gender reassignment if you will and often times it's the wrong choice
does a penis truely make someone a male
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Re: Trans girl update [Re: Crystal G]
#21931902 - 07/12/15 02:14 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Crystal G said: I don't see how this makes OP gay. Clearly if this TG girl looked anything at all like a man, OP would not be attracted to her. What makes her attractive to OP is the fact that she looks and resembles a woman.
Exactly. I know a few dudes who like the trans, and they are aren't gay. Or bi for that matter its girls and t-girls not dudes. Gay dudes like this

Not this

The people who insist on labeling OP as gay or bi are the ones who question their own sexuality (isn't it ALWAYS?) Normal people don't care about labeling other peoples sexuality. It's just the closet cases who want to keep insisting if your partner has a penis you are gay, like its a law or something.
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Re: Trans girl update [Re: my3rdeye] 2
#21931904 - 07/12/15 02:15 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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my3rdeye said: Gay dudes like this

Not this

how do you know what gay dudes like?
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Bailey Jay is hot
There I said it
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Is that so?
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