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Re: Some kid on facebook just called me retarded...is he right? [Re: Webster10]
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Webster10 said:
Bill_Oreilly said:
Achillita said:
I have never heard of these stories of children becoming gay because they were raped/molested.



Saw it on law & order the other night, actually.


I have also seen many real-life stories of it.


If it's on law & order it must be real.

Bill my current girlfriend has never smoked weed and her father has smoked weed daily since she was born. Yes parents are a huge influence but not enough to turn their straight kids gay.



Most of the law and order episodes are based on real events. that's how they get the ideas for the show.

funny, I knew someone would say that. Webster you are so predictable :lol:


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.

It's just a shot away..

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Re: Some kid on facebook just called me retarded...is he right? [Re: Achillita]
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Achillita said:
Links please? Also Law and Order is nearly 100% fiction. Even the way they solve crimes a lot of times is completely false.



I don't feel like digging for links but you damn well KNOW there has been kids who have turned gay because of getting sexually abused as a young age.

If you really think that has NEVER happened, I am done talking to you because you are just biased with no common sense and is a complete waste of time.


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.

It's just a shot away..

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Re: Some kid on facebook just called me retarded...is he right? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
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ah screw it...these people will never learn


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.

It's just a shot away..

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Re: Some kid on facebook just called me retarded...is he right? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
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was about 10 years old when the name-calling began.  I was slight of build, intelligent, uncoordinated and musically inclined.  The labels of ‘sissy,’ ‘mamma’s boy,’ and ‘fag’ were quickly attached to me by the set of older boys in the neighborhood.  This derisive verbal ridicule quickly escalated into physical abuse.  Causing me physical pain, and watching me cry and reveling in my reactions to their torment became a favorite pastime of these boys.

It wasn’t long before some of the physical activity, fueled by their adolescent curiosity about sex, deteriorated into sexual abuse.  I was held down and forced to perform sexual acts with them.  To add to my shame for participating in these acts was the shame of knowing that there was some pleasure involved.  The pain of abuse would inevitably lead to the exhilaration of sexual release, something I had never experienced before.

From that point on I knew there was something wrong with me.  The deep sense of shame made me hate myself.  Because of my timidity, I didn’t have the courage to face my abusers.  My shame became contempt, self-contempt in the form of self-hatred.  The part of me that I hated the most was my masculinity.  I hated the macho in others but at the same time was drawn to the strength that it represented.  I equated the perception of strength with a false definition of masculinity that I knew I didn’t have.  Gender confusion had set in.  I was so weak, I had given in, I had been dominated, I was not a real man.

The greatest part of my wounding was the damage done to my sexuality.  I believed the lies and labels others had placed on me and for years secretly harbored those thoughts as my identity.  My secret fear was that I was gay. (1)

In his book Ten Life Choices, Reverend Bob Perdue courageously relates his story of suffering emotional, physical and sexual abuse. For him – as for many men who are sexually abused – this led to internal struggles with shame and with understanding his own masculinity and identity. Other battles ensued, including struggles with pornography, sexual addiction and homosexuality.




http://www.citizenlink.com/2010/06/17/childhood-sexual-abuse-and-male-homosexuality/






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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.

It's just a shot away..

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Re: Some kid on facebook just called me retarded...is he right? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
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Finally, when the abuser is male (and even sometimes when she is female), many boys - whether straight or gay - develop fears and concerns about sexual orientation. Conventional wisdom says sexual abuse turns boys gay, although there's no persuasive evidence that premature sexual activity fundamentally changes sexual orientation. Nevertheless, a heterosexual boy is likely to doubt himself, wondering why he was chosen by a man for sex. A homosexual boy may feel rushed into considering himself gay, or may hate his homosexuality because he believes it was caused by his abuse. Whether boys are gay or straight, these manipulative introductions to sexuality can set lifetime patterns of exploitation and self-destructive behavior.


Here's a quote from this site.

But the point is, people can have homosexual experiences. But it honestly doesn't make them gay. They don't have a lingering attraction for men. I don't find men sexually attractive, and while I can see why people can consider some guy attractive. But I personally don't. If I really wanted to, I could kiss a man. Or even have sex with him. But I still wouldn't find him attractive.

You can do anything, but to try and be gay to live a lie to yourself is self destructive and will always end badly. That's why people come out about them being gay later in life.


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Re: Some kid on facebook just called me retarded...is he right? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
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Bill_Oreilly said:
Webster10 said:
Bill_Oreilly said:
Achillita said:
I have never heard of these stories of children becoming gay because they were raped/molested.



Saw it on law & order the other night, actually.


I have also seen many real-life stories of it.


If it's on law & order it must be real.

Bill my current girlfriend has never smoked weed and her father has smoked weed daily since she was born. Yes parents are a huge influence but not enough to turn their straight kids gay.



Most of the law and order episodes are based on real events. that's how they get the ideas for the show.

funny, I knew someone would say that. Webster you are so predictable :lol:


If something is based on a real story it must be real.


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Re: Some kid on facebook just called me retarded...is he right? [Re: Webster10]
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:facepalm:


keep avoiding my points that prove you wrong and keep clinging on little shit :hahthatsrich:


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.

It's just a shot away..

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Re: Some kid on facebook just called me retarded...is he right? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
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Bill my current girlfriend has never smoked weed and her father has smoked weed daily since she was born. Yes parents are a huge influence but not enough to turn their straight kids gay.



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Re: Some kid on facebook just called me retarded...is he right? [Re: Achillita]
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Here's a quote from one of the sources the anti-gay article used.
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A sizable minority of lesbians and gay men are married, or once were,77,78 and many are parents. Conservative estimates exceed 1 million each for lesbian mothers79,80 and gay fathers80,81. At least 6 million children have gay or lesbian parents80,82. The literature on children of lesbian mothers indicates no adverse effects of a homosexual orientation, as evidenced by psychiatric symptoms, peer relationships, and overall functioning of the offspring79,83-85. The frequency of a homosexual orientation has not been greater in such children than in children of heterosexual mothers. The data on children of gay fathers are more scant. No evidence has emerged, however, to indicate an adverse effect of sexual orientation on the quality of fathering80,86. Enough information has accumulated to warrant the recommendation that sexual orientation should not in itself be the basis for psychiatric and legal decisions about parenting or planned parenting


http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199410063311407 The New England Journal of Medicine, it's a pretty interesting unbiased read.


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Re: Some kid on facebook just called me retarded...is he right? [Re: Achillita]
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Also, here's the conclusion from that same article, clearly stating there has been no actual evidence to justify prejudice against gays.
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Although there has been rapid growth recently in our knowledge about human sexual orientation, fundamental questions remain105,135. Enough data have accumulated to warrant the dismissal of incorrect ideas once widely accepted about homosexual people. Many areas of law and public policy are still influenced by views discarded by behavioral scientists30,83,136. Thus, homosexual acts are still considered criminal in many states. Decisions about custody, visitation, and adoption are frequently made on the basis of sexual orientation. Homosexual partners are not afforded the same protection as marital partners. In addition, homosexual people receive unequal treatment in the military. There are no data from scientific studies to justify the unequal treatment of homosexual people or their exclusion from any group.



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Re: Some kid on facebook just called me retarded...is he right? [Re: Achillita]
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Gays are not born gay.

end of story.


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.

It's just a shot away..

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Re: Some kid on facebook just called me retarded...is he right? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
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Okay, well for a second let's forget the argument whether they are born that way or not. If they are gay, and able to take care of a child, Do you think we should actually restrict their freedom to do so?


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Re: Some kid on facebook just called me retarded...is he right? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
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Bill_Oreilly said:
Gays are not born gay.

end of story.


Some absolutely are. End of story.


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Re: Some kid on facebook just called me retarded...is he right? [Re: Webster10]
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So a baby can be gay?



:tongue:


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.

It's just a shot away..

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Re: Some kid on facebook just called me retarded...is he right? [Re: Achillita]
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Achillita said:
Okay, well for a second let's forget the argument whether they are born that way or not. If they are gay, and able to take care of a child, Do you think we should actually restrict their freedom to do so?



I refuse to keep beating a dead horse. Theres over 25 pages of me explaining your question in detail


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.

It's just a shot away..

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Some kid on facebook just called me retarded...is he right? [Re: Achillita]
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If they are gay, and able to take care of a child, Do you think we should actually restrict their freedom to do so?



He's made that quite clear man.

He doesn't want gays raising kids...do the math.

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Re: Some kid on facebook just called me retarded...is he right? [Re: Bill_Oreilly] * 1
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But the whole point of the thread is that. Sometimes you say you don't like gays whatsoever, and other times you say there is nothing wrong with being gay, just you don't want them as parents.

And the reason why this thread is nearly 30 pages is because you refuse to site actual evidence that gay people are harmful to a child's mental well being. I've put up quite a few quotes from psychology sites and medical journals explaining there is no correlation.

Everything else you have said has been nearly completely from speculation or ignorance. I understand worrying about a kids wellbeing, but you have to look at the facts eventually.


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Re: Some kid on facebook just called me retarded...is he right? [Re: Achillita] * 1
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Achillita, he's trolling.

You're not going to make sense out of it. Stop posting...

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Re: Some kid on facebook just called me retarded...is he right? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
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Bill_Oreilly said:
So a baby can be gay?



:tongue:


So a baby can be straight?


:tongue:

Most babies I know don't have sexual desires. But yes, a baby can be gay.


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Re: Some kid on facebook just called me retarded...is he right? [Re: Webster10]
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I'm gonna leave this thread, at least for a while,but I'm gonna leave it on a good note.

Here's a video about kids in australia talking about gay marriage being legalized in the US. It's actually pretty touching IMO.


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