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Offlineclock_of_omens
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Re: Some kid on facebook just called me retarded...is he right? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #21873627 - 06/29/15 01:24 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I have this little theory....want to hear it?


Theres no such thing as a fact. Only the perception of a fact being a fact exists.




Get your postmodern everything is subjective bullshit out of here.


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Re: Some kid on facebook just called me retarded...is he right? [Re: clock_of_omens]
    #21873676 - 06/29/15 01:38 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Well everything seems subjective to me...


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Re: Some kid on facebook just called me retarded...is he right? [Re: TheGreenArrow]
    #21873697 - 06/29/15 01:44 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

people tend to take that stuff to an absurd extreme here.


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Re: Some kid on facebook just called me retarded...is he right? [Re: millzy]
    #21873704 - 06/29/15 01:46 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

It's the drugs


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Re: Some kid on facebook just called me retarded...is he right? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #21873727 - 06/29/15 01:51 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

i think age range and lack of exposure to formal education are the bigger factors honestly. i'm sure the drugs don't help.


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Re: Some kid on facebook just called me retarded...is he right? [Re: millzy]
    #21873766 - 06/29/15 02:02 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I think people's reality tunnel is based on society's agreement on any facts.  As R.A.W. would say, "Reality is what you can get away with.".


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invasion, butcher a hog, design a building, conn a ship, write a
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equation, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a
computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly.
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Re: Some kid on facebook just called me retarded...is he right? [Re: TheGreenArrow]
    #21873875 - 06/29/15 02:33 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

if you leave the "maybe" caveat out of any of R.A.W.'s claims, you're entirely missing the point. skepticism is healthy; but radical skepticism is useless.


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Re: Some kid on facebook just called me retarded...is he right? [Re: TheGreenArrow]
    #21873899 - 06/29/15 02:40 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I'm not seeing how "reality is what you can get away with" implies any kind of subjective idea of reality. I'm pretty sure "what you can get away with" is mostly the same for everyone disregarding any limiting characteristics. No one is going to get away with jumping in the air and taking off flying.


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Re: Some kid on facebook just called me retarded...is he right? [Re: clock_of_omens]
    #21873936 - 06/29/15 02:49 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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clock_of_omens said:
I'm not seeing how "reality is what you can get away with" implies any kind of subjective idea of reality. I'm pretty sure "what you can get away with" is mostly the same for everyone disregarding any limiting characteristics. No one is going to get away with jumping in the air and taking off flying.




i don't either. robert anton wilson's ideas focus on the subjectivity of individual reality due to the influence of belief systems. he always qualifies his ideas with a big "maybe"; i doubt he would even be willing to make any sort of hard ontological claim regarding the ultimate nature of reality.


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Re: Some kid on facebook just called me retarded...is he right? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #21873988 - 06/29/15 03:03 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Not retarded just ignorant and or potentially simple but thats well established at this point anyway :shrug:


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Re: Some kid on facebook just called me retarded...is he right? [Re: Ezuma]
    #21874199 - 06/29/15 04:01 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

lots of studys are subjective or wrong.  Those artificial sweeteners cause cancer, now they don't, then they do, then they don't.  Then they change the name of it, blah blah blah.  Peppers good for you, then its not, fracking is safe, then its questionable.  Drilling for oil, then all those dispersants get dropped and you all know that wasn't safe, but what were we told?

science is riddled with fraud, riddled also with new facts that disprove past research, flaws in how the science was done.  Rats for example, there is so much room for error, so many variables that alot of the research based on them is questionable.

really what those research studies boil down to is a really educated guess, using repeatability,repeatability that can infact be flawed and bias because alot of times you are doing research for a product that a company plans to sell, and obviously sometimes you are going to be pressured, or bribed, or a number of things.

long story short, don't pretend its all fact, some of it might be, some of it might not, thats where it gets confusing.  which is which.


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Re: Some kid on facebook just called me retarded...is he right? [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #21874211 - 06/29/15 04:05 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

If you had legitimate gripes about the methodologies of those studies, you could tell us how they are flawed and why we should not trust their results. Why don't you trust the results of those studies? Either you have a good reason that you can explain to us, or you just don't want to believe the results are true and would prefer to live with your head in the sand.


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Re: Some kid on facebook just called me retarded...is he right? [Re: Shins] * 3
    #21874261 - 06/29/15 04:21 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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If my kids turned out gay I'd be sad cuz it would mean my family lineage would end in a dark snelly butthole.



It already has.


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Re: Some kid on facebook just called me retarded...is he right? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #21874262 - 06/29/15 04:21 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

i wasn't there when the research was done thats why i can't say truth or false on them.  Smart people, smarter than me, read studies all the time and call them out for flaws, happens fairly often.  So just think about the papers that have 'omissions' so they can't be called out, that must happen fairly often to, tiny little details that nobody would miss but overall affect things a bit.

  In the case of a childs 'happyness'  how subjective would that be?  not to mention the children could have been coached by their parents, or their parents were on good behavior just because eyes were on their household.  Im sure like most good research they weren't told why they were being studied but they wouldn't have to in this case, as for reasons already stated they would have already altered their behavior.

also there's different definitions of happyness, as well as how long that lasts, how they actually turn out decades from now, ect. maybe some of those papers took that into account maybe some didn't.  to me i just see alot of question marks, and potential for error


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Re: Some kid on facebook just called me retarded...is he right? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21874263 - 06/29/15 04:21 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Shins said:
If my kids turned out gay I'd be sad cuz it would mean my family lineage would end in a dark snelly butthole.



It already has.




BAM. Even I felt that one. Poor shins.


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Re: Some kid on facebook just called me retarded...is he right? [Re: makaveli8x8] * 1
    #21874270 - 06/29/15 04:23 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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i wasn't there when the research was done thats why i can't say truth or false on them.  Smart people, smarter than me, read studies all the time and call them out for flaws, happens fairly often.  So just think about the papers that have 'omissions' so they can't be called out, that must happen fairly often to, tiny little details that nobody would miss but overall affect things a bit.

  In the case of a childs 'happyness'  how subjective would that be?  not to mention the children could have been coached by their parents, or their parents were on good behavior just because eyes were on their household.  Im sure like most good research they weren't told why they were being studied but they wouldn't have to in this case, as for reasons already stated they would have already altered their behavior.

also there's different definitions of happyness, as well as how long that lasts, how they actually turn out decades from now, ect. maybe some of those papers took that into account maybe some didn't.  to me i just see alot of question marks, and potential for error




You didn't read any of the papers and you are talking out of your ass. You've got an opinion and there's no room for facts that contradict it.


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Re: Some kid on facebook just called me retarded...is he right? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #21874280 - 06/29/15 04:26 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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:lol: im going to get a bunch of scientists together and have them do a study proving that schizo's are never wrong.






Good fucking luck with that.


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Re: Some kid on facebook just called me retarded...is he right? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #21874299 - 06/29/15 04:33 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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You didn't read any of the papers and you are talking out of your ass. You've got an opinion and there's no room for facts that contradict it.




wow wow wow, all you did was read that i didn't read them and instantly you discredit everything i said, no thats not how this works.  What i said is logical and applies to all research, hence that includes the shit you posted.  hence my points are totally valid, pretend they arn't all you want.

I did start to read one of them, and the first thing i just noticed is on at least one of them papers, is that the study was done ONLY ON RICH PEOPLE.  How fucking retarded is that study when they are only looking at a 'certain group' of people.  they are all $100k+ households, that is not a fair and clear study.....that means all those familys were living in the best of conditions.  A 100k households are made men with jobs till they retire.  they are households that can have reasonably dam near anything it wants, most households are closer to 40-60k and then from time to time lose a job, some lose jobs regularly, then there's the really poor people.

so Thats not a real family condition, real familys alot of them go through hard times, those hard times bring out things in people, thats where you will see possibly some different results.


hence forth my point, flawed.


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Re: Some kid on facebook just called me retarded...is he right? [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #21874309 - 06/29/15 04:36 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Wow, that complaint was so specific that it's obviously not bullshit. :rolleyes:


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Re: Some kid on facebook just called me retarded...is he right? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #21874316 - 06/29/15 04:37 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

judging entire fields of academic study based off of a few bad ones that have been used to further business interests seems pretty dim to me. the peer review process tends to weed out the bad ones, which is generally how the public is notified of them.


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